Re: Which religion atheists destest most?
There is no dearth of topics. Let people clear their thoughts in a better way. After all, we have so many topics challenging religions, their survival.. some topics on atheism or non-religious ideologies will help people understanding each other. There is nothing to be defensive.
What was defensive about my post?
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Seems like for some people the definition of atheist is, "one who is critical of religion"
they should a dictionary.
Re: Which religion atheists destest most?
for some people the definitions of atheist is, "one who is critical of religion"
consult a dictionary.
There are people who are religious and are critical of religion. Martin Luther comes to mind.
To be critical of a religion is not synonymous with atheism. Atheism is simply the belief that there is no supreme deity. Its as simple as that.
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looking at the responses and the discussion - i think a more appropriate question should be ' which religion detests the atheists more'
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you misunderstood
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So instead of discussion you offer insults. Alright then...
comment was light, but sory if it hurted you.
Since we have discussed a lot more time that why existence of God is mandatory for the existence of world, so i refer you the thread i mentioned earlier for that kind of debates.
Although that kind of reasoning is not required for believers but it helps in some situations.
I am giving hints to that discussion that can be held in detail.
If there is no Creator
Randomness
No purpose
absurdity
everything is absurd
this debate is absurd
Premises related to this debate are also absurd.
Since there must be a God so I as Muslim believe that there is no God but Allah. Furthermore, we have perfect chain of preservation of Islamic scripture in its originality that fulfill our every spiritual need. So we believe in Divine power.
But all this is irrelevant to topic, and can be discussed in details some other time.
Topic is why atheist have problem with religion? I am creating another post related to the topic and want comments of you guys.
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Think of what science is about and what atheists are trying to make out of it.
All these topics have nothing to do with peace and good of humanity, but to scorn religion.
Now you can argue that there is nothing wrong with floating such ideas, but it does not change the fact that such debates are publicized to demoralize the religious people.
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The one they used to follow before being / converted to atheism or some other religion they used to detest when they followed a particular religion?
Do they concentrate more on the religion which they think has some potential to challenge their views. A connected question, do atheists study religion deeply before abandoning it?
There could be many reasons for Atheists for being away from religion.
1) desire to live free of bounds as someone expressed earlier
2) Mal-practice of religion around them, may be in their family
3) Thought that religion defies logic and reasoning.
4) Thought that religion is unnecessary for life and we are smart enough to know what is good for us.
5) Thought that religion is another thing that creates divide and hatred for others.
6) failure of religious folks to make a connect with them.
In my view, no one can deny the existence of a supreme being. I have communicated with a few and this is what they typically say "yes, we don't deny existence of an intelligent supreme power that is behind all the wonderful works we behold everyday but what we simply cannot digest is that
1) That Supreme being having a connect and communication with man
2) that there are instructions/guide from Him for us to follow.
So they don't actually deny God but they deny the existence of prophets/messengers
Re: Which religion atheists destest most?
There could be many reasons for Atheists for being away from religion. 1) desire to live free of bounds as someone expressed earlier 2) Mal-practice of religion around them, may be in their family 3) Thought that religion defies logic and reasoning. 4) Thought that religion is unnecessary for life and we are smart enough to know what is good for us. 5) Thought that religion is another thing that creates divide and hatred for others. 6) failure of religious folks to make a connect with them.
In my view, no one can deny the existence of a supreme being. I have communicated with a few and this is what they typically say "yes, we don't deny existence of an intelligent supreme power that is behind all the wonderful works we behold everyday but what we simply cannot digest is that 1) That Supreme being having a connect and communication with man 2) that there are instructions/guide from Him for us to follow.
So they don't actually deny God but they deny the existence of prophets/messengers
Do you think 100% of atheists just deny God and none of them have feelings like contempt, disliking for religion and who follow religion.
Is it only the religion that creates division? don't you think that ideologies like atheism also creates divisions that may also lead to conflicts.
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I cannot talk about 100% of any group but yes there could be elements of dislike or contempt and many a times it could be linked to point 2) in my post # 148. In other words, the contempt could be a bye-product of being wronged by an apparently religious individual, group or society. So they hold the religion responsible for the idiocies committed by some of its followers.
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There was mention of Surah-Hud 11:40 i.e., the great deluge.
There is nothing illogical stated here. 'Kul' here doesn't mean all the animals on the face of the earth. Why would it be needed as the flood or 'azab' was meant for the area/people to whom Noah (as) was sent as prophet not the whole globe. So there was no danger of extinction of all the species in the world. 'min Kul' here meant from all the animals he needed/possessed.
There are places in Quran where 'Kul' has been used in a restricted manner. for instance, verse 27:23
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Just like atheism is not a religion its not an ideology either. I hope this clears up any confusion.
Is Atheism an Ism? Atheism is No Religion, Philosophy, Ideology, Belief System
Atheism is Not a Philosophy:
A person’s philosophy is their “system of principles for guidance in practical affairs.” Like ideology, a philosophy comprises of two key elements: it must be a group of beliefs and it must provide guidance. Atheism is not a philosophy for the same reason that it is not an ideology: it’s not even a single belief, much less a system of interconnected beliefs, and by itself atheism does not guide anyone anywhere. The same would be true if we defined atheism narrowly as denial of the existence of gods: that single belief is not a system of principles. As with ideology, atheism can be part of a philosophy.
Atheism is Not a Belief System:
A belief system is a “faith based on a series of beliefs but not formalized into a religion; also, a fixed coherent set of beliefs prevalent in a community or society.” This is simpler than an ideology or philosophy because it’s just a group of beliefs; they don’t have to be interconnected and they don’t have to provide guidance. This still doesn’t describe atheism; even if we narrowed atheism to denying the existence of gods, that’s still just one belief and a single belief is not a set of beliefs. Theism is also a single belief that is not a belief system. Both theism and atheism are part of belief systems, though.
Atheism is Not a Creed:
A creed is a “system, doctrine, or formula of religious belief, as of a denomination” or “any system or codification of belief or of opinion.” Atheism is not a creed in the first sense for the same reasons it’s not an ideology or philosophy, with the additional factor that that it has nothing inherently to do with religious belief. There are no atheist “denominations” and even narrowly defined it is not a religious formula. Atheism might appear as part of someone’s creed in the second sense because a person might codify their positions, including atheism. Otherwise, though, atheism has nothing to do with creeds.
Atheism is Not a World View:
A world view is a “a comprehensive conception or image of the universe and of humanity’s relation to it.” This comes a little bit closer to atheism than anything thus far. Although atheism by itself does not offer any guidance on how to conceive of the universe and humanity’s relation to it, it does exclude certain options — namely, those centered around some god. Excluding certain types of world views as options does not, however, qualify as a world view itself; at most, it might be part of a world view. Atheism is certainly not comprehensive in anything it might have to say, not even if defined narrowly.
Atheism is Not a Religion:
Many Christians seem to believe that atheism is a religion, but no one with an accurate understanding of both concepts would make such a mistake. Atheism lacks every one of the characteristics of religion. At most, atheism doesn’t explicitly exclude most of them, but the same can be said for almost anything. Thus, it’s not possible to call atheism a religion. It can be part of a religion, but it can’t be a religion by itself. They are completely different categories: atheism is the absence of one particular belief while religion is a complex web of traditions and beliefs.
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I cannot talk about 100% of any group but yes there could be elements of dislike or contempt and many a times it could be linked to point 2) in my post # 148. In other words, the contempt could be a bye-product of being wronged by an apparently religious individual, group or society. So they hold the religion responsible for the idiocies committed by some of its followers.
lols. It looks like 'maaro ghutna phoote aankh'. or taking revenge of Zaid from Bakr.
This is very same attitude which was followed by British PM William Ewart Gladstone who called the Qur'an an "accursed book" and once held it up during a session of Parliament, declaring: "So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world."
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