Sure everything's possible in lala land
mate, look at the option you have got to choose from!!! ever heard of Urdu proverb "Andhon mein kaana raja"?
Re: Which do you think is the most progressive Muslim country?
India has the second or third biggest muslim population in the world; muslims are allowed their own special legal stuff. Therefore I'd say it is as much a muslim country as it is a hindu country. And ofcourse it is a very progressive place and is trying to become a developed country.
Cmpared to India most middle east countries are in the middle ages.
India has the second or third biggest muslim population in the world; muslims are allowed their own special legal stuff. Therefore I'd say it is as much a muslim country as it is a hindu country. And ofcourse it is a very progressive place and is trying to become a developed country.
Cmpared to India most middle east countries are in the middle ages.
I'm not sure that I agree that you can call India a Muslim country. Although it has a large Muslim population, it is dwarfed by the Hindus. And those they have some separate law code, when you are 18% of the population, you don't get to exercise your rights very much. (Not to mention I watched the 1993 pogrom, so...)
^far from perfect, yes, but I went there recently and was totally surprised at what I saw in terms of progress in many areas such as technology, education, healthcare, women rights (yes, women right!).
In my opinion the areas where they must improve are press freedom, more transparency in govt. processes, political imprisonments/torture.
I have never been there. But the judicial system leaves a lot to be desired - and honestly, any place that requires that women wear hijab or burqa, can't be rated as progressive. I think if you were a woman, you might not think it was so ok. I'm not saying hijab etc should necessarily be banned, but I don't think making it the law can be considered supportive of individual freedoms/rights.
Turkey isn't a Muslim country, even her constitution explicitly says so. Lebanon isn't a Muslim country either.
My vote goes for Iran.
Well, I specifically said a Muslim country as opposed to an Islamic country. I guess "Muslim country" would include any country where the majority of the population is Muslim. So even if it were a self-declared secular country, it could qualify.
I'm not sure that I agree that you can call India a Muslim country. Although it has a large Muslim population, it is dwarfed by the Hindus. And those they have some separate law code, when you are 18% of the population, you don't get to exercise your rights very much. (Not to mention I watched the 1993 pogrom, so...)
it is your right to disagree or agree but there are far far fewer attacks on muslims in India than in even Pakistan, in spite of India having similar muslim population.
What's even more laudable is that they are a minority in India and yet suffer far less attacks than those in Pakistan, in spite of being a near 95+%.
I don't understand what you mean by they are unable to exercise their rights. How do you say that?
it is your right to disagree or agree but there are far far fewer attacks on muslims in India than in even Pakistan, in spite of India having similar muslim population.
What's even more laudable is that they are a minority in India and yet suffer far less attacks than those in Pakistan, in spite of being a near 95+%.
I don't understand what you mean by they are unable to exercise their rights. How do you say that?
yeah because all the attacks indian terrorists and indian funded terrorists want to do they do it inside pakistan with their masters support who's sitting in afghanistan... and those who feel left out, and cannot take part in killing innocents inside pakistan, they go out burn trains in india and burn people alive, no matter muslim or not
without a doubt Pakistan.
too little to start with and too much achievements.
Faced the super power Soviet Union face to face in 80’s and never blinked when it was just 20 km’s from our border.30 years on we have multiplied in strength and power.
lets celebrate our nation 
yeah because all the attacks indian terrorists and indian funded terrorists want to do they do it inside pakistan with their masters support who's sitting in afghanistan... and those who feel left out, and cannot take part in killing innocents inside pakistan, they go out burn trains in india and burn people alive, no matter muslim or not
this is just a false conspiracy theory that some Pakistan leaders use to hide their own mistakes & crimes. Don't tell me anybody believes such nonsense.
it is your right to disagree or agree but there are far far fewer attacks on muslims in India than in even Pakistan, in spite of India having similar muslim population.
What's even more laudable is that they are a minority in India and yet suffer far less attacks than those in Pakistan, in spite of being a near 95+%.
I don't understand what you mean by they are unable to exercise their rights. How do you say that?
Pakistan does not have politcal parties that call for persecution of minorities like BJP and Shiv Sena. Till this date there are so many attacks on minorities. A few of them Babri Masjid massacare, Gujrat Genocide, Killings and rape of chrisians in orissa, massacare of sikhs etc.
Muslims don't even get to join the army or any other government sectors. If India was all that good there wouldn't be naxalites or 17 other separist movements.
India doesn't even have a sikh marriage act while Pakistan does. Muslims in India are seen as criminals and non patriots thanks to your media.
India isn't a Muslim country and definatley not progressive with the majority being in Poverty. Take your head out of your butt.
Turkey, thanks to Ataturk's policies and tradition. Unfortunately, the current anti-Ataturk government is working hard to erode all of the Turkey "progressiveness".
Re: Which do you think is the most progressive Muslim country?
^ turkey is actually quite intolerant to practising muslims, so thats outta the question.
I have been to Iran, and as paglu says, its quite a modern high tech place, especially considering its one of the top in the mid east regarding its healthcare, welfare, education, engineering and scientific research..this despite sanctions and isolation for the past 30 years or so!!!
Pakistan does not have politcal parties that call for persecution of minorities like BJP and Shiv Sena. Till this date there are so many attacks on minorities. A few of them Babri Masjid massacare, Gujrat Genocide, Killings and rape of chrisians in orissa, massacare of sikhs etc. Muslims don't even get to join the army or any other government sectors. If India was all that good there wouldn't be naxalites or 17 other separist movements. India doesn't even have a sikh marriage act while Pakistan does. Muslims in India are seen as criminals and non patriots thanks to your media. India isn't a Muslim country and definatley not progressive with the majority being in Poverty. Take your head out of your butt.
Aashiq - this is incorrect factually.
minority population in Pakistan has dwindled and nosedived in Pakistan; it has increased in India
the topic is about progressive muslim country - with 150 million muslims India is as much a muslim country as it is a Hindu country
for each attack that you list on muslims in India, there is an equal or more attacks by muslims on others; and compared to the number of attacks in Pakistan, what happens in India is miniscule
who told you muslims cannot join the army? that is laughable. get your facts right
India's per capita is and has been consistently more than Pakistan per capita income. Poverty is a problem for both our countries but don't claim one is better than the other
Aashiq - this is incorrect factually.
minority population in Pakistan has dwindled and nosedived in Pakistan; it has increased in India
the topic is about progressive muslim country - with 150 million muslims India is as much a muslim country as it is a Hindu country
for each attack that you list on muslims in India, there is an equal or more attacks by muslims on others; and compared to the number of attacks in Pakistan, what happens in India is miniscule
who told you muslims cannot join the army? that is laughable. get your facts right
India's per capita is and has been consistently more than Pakistan per capita income. Poverty is a problem for both our countries but don't claim one is better than the other
Indian media consistently makes muslims in the media look like criminals. Look at all their movies the gangsters will be Muslims in the movies. Muslims in the army or government are very low and for a muslim population of over 100 million it is very sad to see less than 2% of muslims get to the govt level.
Pakistan is not as poor as India. more than 50% of India is in poverty while Pakistan's poverty rate is 20%.
Stop following your rss and bjp and get your head out of your ass. Most indians suffer from inferiority complex and it shows in their level of thinking.
Turkey isn't a Muslim country, even her constitution explicitly says so. Lebanon isn't a Muslim country either.
My vote goes for Iran.
Exactly my thought. Even Iran is moving towards secularism, and as a matter of fact, more and more Iranians are leaving Islam. I see a positive correlation between secularism and progression.
Turkey, Lebanon, and Malaysia are hardly considered established Islamic states by most practicing Muslims.
Indian media consistently makes muslims in the media look like criminals. Look at all their movies the gangsters will be Muslims in the movies. Muslims in the army or government are very low and for a muslim population of over 100 million it is very sad to see less than 2% of muslims get to the govt level. Pakistan is not as poor as India. more than 50% of India is in poverty while Pakistan's poverty rate is 20%. Stop following your rss and bjp and get your head out of your ass. Most indians suffer from inferiority complex and it shows in their level of thinking.
once again, I will point out the totally erroneous understanding you seem to have:
it is NOT true that muslims are portrayed as criminals either in the movies or in press, anymore than hindus and christians are. You should also know that a large number of bollywood high and mighty have been and are muslims. Some of the most effective films that solidly portrayed the worldwide image problems are from bollywood. So it is nothing less than a despicable lie to say Indian films always portray muslims as villains.
you have changed your statement from "muslims are not allowed in army" to "muslims are a low number". How do you reconcile the two statements? You cannot.
Christians and Brahmins in the army and government are very low as well - and the reason that people say it is that way is because they are a passive community and not too interested. There could be similar reasons or reasons other than discrimination that may cause a low number - I don't know. How do you conclude that it is due to discrimination?
On poverty rates - what is your source for the stats you quote?
Here is a little something for all Pakistanis to read which proves what I have said all along.............. india is behind all the terror attacks in Pakistan. The traitors of Pakistan who are happily managing the execution of these heinous indian plans on Pak soil to kill more and more native muslims are none other than indians. Even indians know it but not our stupid Pakistanis.
They have learned something after their baammmbbbaaayyyy stage show. That it is safer & cleverer to kill the enemy & shift the blame of being terrorists on them too instead of killing their own people only to prove the same point. So since after staging baaammmbbbaayyy bombings, one thing they wont do anymore is bomb their own people & blame Pakistan of supporting terror & Pakistani people as being terrorists. Now they have stuffed some pennies in greedy mouths of Pakistani traitors to kill Pakistani muslims inside Pakistan to prove the same lies they have been telling the world for decades………… that Pakistan is a land of terror & Pakistani people are terrorists.
Who can find these satanist Pakistani traitors who are killing Pakistanis upon Indian commands? Is there noone who can spot & hang them or deport them to india?
it is your right to disagree or agree but there are far far fewer attacks on muslims in India than in even Pakistan, in spite of India having similar muslim population.
What's even more laudable is that they are a minority in India and yet suffer far less attacks than those in Pakistan, in spite of being a near 95+%.
I don't understand what you mean by they are unable to exercise their rights. How do you say that?
Re: Which do you think is the most progressive Muslim country?
Ambassador you should be on TV.. prime time comedy.
What do you mean progressive? In the sense of adopting Western values? Or in the policies of education, health, science, creating an independent nation.
Would it be progress according to the Quran or progress according to Western liberal democratic norms - there are some very similar strands in both yet some very different.
Turkey is far from progressive - it has abandoned its culture in favour of a European life style. Human Rights are an issue - practising Muslims are discriminated against as well as ethnic Kurds. Its too dependent on the USA.
Afghanistan was a complete failure. The Taliban did nothign to progress Afghhanistan except create law and order and eradicate drugs.
Most Muslim states are failures. they are all puppet regimes and none have avpoice in the world.
Iran is making progress without selling its identity and without becoming a lap dog to the more powerful countries.
Re: Which do you think is the most progressive Muslim country?
Mod plz lets have a poll on this topic
plz chose top ten muslim countries and let see which country is possibily on top
AS A PURE PROGRASIVE MUSLIM COUNTRY in all aspects....