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Corruption pey PPP ka bhi haq hai....
Violence pey MQM ka bhi haq hai...
Justifying violence because of injustice done in the past is what most terrorists do. Will the cycle ever end?
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Corruption pey PPP ka bhi haq hai.... Violence pey MQM ka bhi haq hai...
Justifying violence because of injustice done in the past is what most terrorists do. Will the cycle ever end?
Please read my post again. I am not justifying it. I am just saying that its unfortunate but violence in one form or the other was always there. Its just that the guns are in different hands.
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Actually this is the first post of yours' that is a worthy response. I don't know why you consider it politically incorrect.
well done.
I have been down this path of discussion before too.
I understand and agree with you about the previous level of corruption that existed.
I totally understand about PIA being Punjabi Airlines. (My cousin just lost his posting in Toronto because of the same ethnic battle.)
Like you, I have seen both sides of the coin.
But I don't agree that the method MQM used to correct the imbalance is justified. You cannot correct a wrong with another wrong....just as you cannot defend one bad action by presenting another sin as justification.
There has to be an alternative.
No you did not.
But before that snatching started, there was other type of ghunda gardi going on. We call it Quota System. Only 2% for Mohajirs, that also if they have a sifarish, were allowed to enter Govt services. PIA was known as Punjabi Air lines. Kids from Karachi who were appearing in ISSB (Inter service selection board) for army exams were making fun of 'ke tum kis chakkar main yahaan aa'gaye, you mahajir'. (this happened to me personally btw). In Mehran university, boys from Karachi used to get a regular beating. If you spoke Urdu there, you are as good as dead.
You talked about Pathans. No they were not snatching, but they were driving their trucks through Liaquatbad and killing Mahajirs by shooting at them during Ayub regime.
Thing is this that we all have such short term memories that we only see what Mohajirs are doing now, no one gives a damn to who put them against the wall that they came to this level.
Yes muzna, snatching started right now, but justice was never served in Karachi. The only difference between now karachi and past karachi is that guns are in different hands.
I apologize that I had to stoop down to such politically incorrect post, but reality is reality, whether politically correct or incorrect.
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Please read my post again. I am not justifying it. I am just saying that its unfortunate but violence in one form or the other was always there. Its just that the guns are in different hands.
I do have one question.......was the violence at the same level? I don't think so.
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Justifying violence because of injustice done in the past is what most terrorists do. Will the cycle ever end?
BTW, you slap my one cheek and I will give you another maybe some glorified teaching by Budhdha or Christ, but normal people do react to injustice. If not then why people in tis thread are reacting towards the injustice done by MQM in karachi now. Present them another cheek and be as noble as you want them to be
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It was spread out over such a long period of time (4-5 decades) that it does not appear as violent, but yes it was there. Here I give you my favorite link and post a para from there.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,941860,00.html?iid=chix-sphere](http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,941860,00.html#ixzz1F0mULjE2)
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Leave my poor Chachas and phuphos ALONE!!! Let my cousins study and live in peace. They haven't asked you for anything. They haven't hurt anyone. They aren't out looking for riches and luxuries. They just want to live an honest and decent life. They want to grow old. They want to see their children grow, get married, have their own chilren. They want simple things....not extravagance. They are not trying to accumulate millions. They are not trying to out-do their neighbours. They are not looking for visas out. Let them live in peace. Please.
Muzna - you actually made me to go to your first post and re-read it to comprehend the nature of your complaint .
I have been here for more then a year now - God forbid but nothing happens to me or any of my siblings ( Thanks to heavens for that ) .
I drive every day to work - I carry a laptop and black berry with me - Once in a week i take cash out of ATM - I dine at places where normally Urdu speaking people dont go ( one of my favourite Kahari spot is at Pahar Ganj - about that place an average Joe ( any ethnicity ) thinks if you go there wearing jeans and shirt you probably wont come back , and I go there twice a month and happily get greeted by the pushtoon restaurant owners . Once in a month we go out to Super high way for dining where majority of restaurants are owned by Afghan refugees / Sindhi people .
Super high way is quite notorious , as in case of any tension in city / killing of pakhtoons - you will see pakhtoons coming on the road and looting and doing ariel firing on the cars passing by .
But if you take my story in account , so far I never had any problem commuting and living in this city.
But I do take the necessary measurements - like I dont hangout at spots who are renowned for such activities - I dont take cash out from ATMS built in dark areas - I dont go to Money changers I dont know - i dont travel with huge amount of currency . even if I do , I dont do that on public transport .
what ever happened to your relatives could happen to any one living in Karachi regardless of his/her race - ethnicity and language .
This is the price- sadly , we all are paying for living in this city - for your sake consider some parts of karachi as Flatbush and Crown Heights in Brooklyn . Shyte happens every where
People get robbed in areas - which dont even come under karachi city government's jurisdiction or have no MQM support , I just fail to understand how one can blame MQM for that and thats all my argument is ...
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^ finally, a sensible post.
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So the anyone who criticizes Altaf Bhai and his band of terrorists is against Karachi? lol What good would it do to criticize a piece of land? Seriously, you shouldn't get a raise the next time altaf bhai evaluates your job performance.
So you deliberately said piece of land..meaning you do not hate the piece of land but still hate Karachiites.
You have posted economist before and it was refuted as far as I remember.
Oh BTW:
Muzna comment actually means only a biased person with obsession level of hate against MQM/Karachiites can understand her positon. Wah!
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No you did not.
But before that snatching started, there was other type of ghunda gardi going on. We call it Quota System. Only 2% for Mohajirs, that also if they have a sifarish, were allowed to enter Govt services. PIA was known as Punjabi Air lines. Kids from Karachi who were appearing in ISSB (Inter service selection board) for army exams were making fun of 'ke tum kis chakkar main yahaan aa'gaye, you mahajir'. (this happened to me personally btw). In Mehran university, boys from Karachi used to get a regular beating. If you spoke Urdu there, you are as good as dead.
You talked about Pathans. No they were not snatching, but they were driving their trucks through Liaquatbad and killing Mahajirs by shooting at them during Ayub regime.
Thing is this that we all have such short term memories that we only see what Mohajirs are doing now, no one gives a damn to who put them against the wall that they came to this level.
Yes muzna, snatching started right now, but justice was never served in Karachi. The only difference between now karachi and past karachi is that guns are in different hands.
I apologize that I had to stoop down to such politically incorrect post, but reality is reality, whether politically correct or incorrect.
Does that mean you start endorsing a party that kills people because someone got molested or picked upon? The violence that ensued, events such as May 12th 2007 are far greater than this ego tarnishing that caused because some weeny didnt get selected in the PIA for service. And whatever you said, the APMSO, MQM's terrorist student wing did the same exact thing to students who didnt meet their ethnic criteria. PPP is corrupt, said that many times, I criticize them on whatever they lack, i.e. good governance, but militancy isnt a problem with that party. P.S. if PPP is so bad, why do the MQM form Govts with them everytime; I mean the whole ideology they are based on, opposing feudalism, industrialism, military etc, they are the first ones to form alliances with the biggest industrialists (nawaz sharif), feudals (zardari), dictators (musharraf)...
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Does that mean you start endorsing a party that kills people because someone got molested or picked upon? The violence that ensued, events such as May 12th 2007 are far greater than this ego tarnishing that caused because some weeny didnt get selected in the PIA for service. And whatever you said, the APMSO, MQM's terrorist student wing did the same exact thing to students who didnt meet their ethnic criteria. PPP is corrupt, said that many times, I criticize them on whatever they lack, i.e. good governance, but militancy isnt a problem with that party. P.S. if PPP is so bad, why do the MQM form Govts with them everytime; I mean the whole ideology they are based on, opposing feudalism, industrialism, military etc, they are the first ones to form alliances with the biggest industrialists (nawaz sharif), feudals (zardari), dictators (musharraf)...
Spock!
Hate MQM all you want and keep having nightdreams of AH. No problem.
But your posts after posts show hatred against Karachiites. Do you know more weenies were selected by biased adminisration in PIA which was just a small private company at partition and Karachiites made it PIA? This once great corporation which has gone through many turmoils just because qualified people were not selected in the name of being weenies.
This kind of mentality you show on this billboard is similar to what was shown in the past against East Pakistan.
Let me tell you what I mean and why.
Administration did not let locals be part of security forces. They blamed local parties to be responsible for ANY problems in East Pakistan.
Problems escalated.
People got fed up.
Nationalistic parties became more powerful.
People kept asking for problems to be solved.
India kept watching or feeding the sentiments.
People rebelled when administration did not agree with local politicians won.
Country divided!
Now, come out clean that yo are not one of those who actually hate Karachiites (not the piece of land as you said).
Your nonsense posts are too obvious my dear to show your intention to promote hate.
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Spock, last time I confronted you for promoting Killings of Innocent Karachiites, You ran away. ;)
Do not promote hate against human beings please.
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This thread is about MQM not being able to control violence in Karachi and my opinion is that a major reason is MQM itself being involved in violent activities. If you disagree with it, that is your choice, I would call it turning your face from reality and you should stop reading here.
I disagree that MQM alone is responsible for this violence we see in Karachi. And anyone only calling MQM the guilty party would do only due to hatred of people that MQM represents. That is a fact, and if you disagree then "I would call it turning your face from reality" but you may continue reading.
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About other parties being involved in violence:
It does not give MQM licence to do the same (as PPP says that it is their right to do corruption since others do it as well)
Legal instruments should be used to curb that violence instead of responding with more violence (violence is the taliban way of responding to perceived injustice done to them)
Negotiate, talk, sort things out, listen, share, compromise? (please don't kill anymore)
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Why don't you give similar advices to those others? Why is your hateful abusive rhetoric only used against MQM even though you accept that others are responsible for violence as well?
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I read the report somewhere else. The report is not the result of any investigation. It is based on someone using online searches to come to his conclusion. It only cites the allegations made against MQM from various sources. If these reports were the proof of MQM’s terrorism then Imran Khan should have used them in the court. Also, if these reports are the kind of proofs then state department should not have been meeting MQM’s Karachi mayor.
At the end of the report it says:“This response was prepared after researching publicly accessible information currently available to the RIC within time constraints. This response is not, and does not purport to be, conclusive as to the merit of any particular claim to refugee status or asylum.”
So the report itself says that its findings are not conclusive and this research is based on internet searching. They did not do their own research.
These allegations know no limits. I remember that PMLN leader who accused MQM of killing one of its former members, and then the guy showed on the TV next day. That just shows many of these allegations are based on pure hatred.
Consider this. The report is from 2004. And following is from 2005. How can UNHCR call terrorist, but still take grants from it?
Washington DC: MQM USA’s Central Organizer Ajaz Siddiqi along with central organizing committee member Sabihul Islam visited UNHCR’s headquarters in Washington DC and presented a generous $10,000 check to its Director Ms. Caryl Garcia. This check was presented to her on behalf of Quaid-e-Tehreel Altaf Hussain for its relief work in northern areas of Pakistan where victims of deadly earthquake are being jointly helped by MQM and its partner organization USA for UNHCR. UNHCR’s director Ms. Garcia thanked MQM USA and asked its officials to convey her thanks to Mr. Hussain. She said MQM has always been a great help in this sort of relief activities no matter if it was Tsunami, Katrina or now Southeast Asian earthquake. She also said that a consignment of 100,000 warm blankets will soon be delivered by UNHCR to MQM USA for its direct distribution in the affected areas in Pakistan. MQM USA’s officials assured Ms. Garcia that the MQM will continue to take a leading role in such relief activates in Pakistan and UNHCR can depend on MQM’s manpower to distribute UNHCR’s relief goods in the affected areas with out any delays.
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So lol? Do you see me vehemently defending the PML[N] if they were indeed terrorists?
I don't see you mildly criticizing it either. Even though PMLN is a security risk to Pakistan.
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And before you start crying again, pretty much every MQM supporter admits the MQM takes extortion money from everyone.
"crying". Is this what long-eared, pointy-head aliens do in the crying saucers?
If MQM exists based on this bhatta-khori "from everyone" then why does everyone give them votes? Fringe elements are present in every party, and MQM is no exception. These are acts of individuals, and similar people exist everywhere.
What I find amusing is that how some racist people will use every possible allegation to hurl abuses whether it makes sense or not; but will never accept the ground facts that MQM did do for Karachi what no other party could have done.
That's plain bigotry.
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Why don't you give similar advices to those others? Why is your hateful abusive rhetoric only used against MQM even though you accept that others are responsible for violence as well?
Show me my hateful, abusive rhetoric (apart from this post) or STFU.
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BTW, you slap my one cheek and I will give you another maybe some glorified teaching by Budhdha or Christ, but normal people do react to injustice. If not then why people in tis thread are reacting towards the injustice done by MQM in karachi now. Present them another cheek and be as noble as you want them to be
There is a middle way between reacting with violence and presenting another cheek. Extorting bhatta out of traders and businessmen can hardly be construed as a reaction to what Ayub Khan did.
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PPP is corrupt, said that many times, I criticize them on whatever they lack, i.e. good governance, but militancy isnt a problem with that party
There are two possible reason of you saying it. Either ignorance or racism towards Urdu speakers. I believe it is racism.
One example. See what party Lyari gangs belong to and what they do in Karachi.
Another example. Who hijacked PIA's plane in 80's?
Problem with racists like you is that you criticize selective militancy. For example, Imran Taliban would be crying about MQM just like you. But at the same time he would support MQM-Haqiqi. He also would still want to negotiate with khariji Taliban who the whole world unanimously calls terrorists.
So that's your problem. Selective criticism based on ethnic racism.
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Show me my hateful, abusive rhetoric (apart from this post) or STFU.
Yes, you did not have to show that hateful side at least in this thread, because others like Spock were doing the doing the bidding on your behalf. By 'you' I meant people like you.
Now coming back to point. Would you give similar advice to others, and not just selectively to MQM?