When Arabs kill innocent Arabs: There is no protest from the "Islamic world"

NameInUse · June 7, 2006, 2:42pm

Re: Not quite

Stewie:

The premise of the argument that Arabs are only outraged when non-Arabs kill Arabs is misleading. Rather, it is a different *type *of outrage than that expressed when non-Arabs, especially foreign non-Muslims, kill Arabs. Incidents of people of the same country killing each other is general criminal behavior, not to be confused with fatalities resulting from foreign military conflict. While I agree that the fundamental concept of loss of life is identical, the conditions surrounding domestic criminal behavior and war fatalities are not the same. Obviously people are used to crime, whether it be robbery or murder, as a general fact of human life that is more or less not peventable. But fatalities from war, especially in the case of Iraq, would not have occured without the war.

I think whomever started this thread, wanted to convey that Arabs should equally be outraged when Arabs, especially those belonging to radical extremist groups, kill other Arabs. That's a fine point, but it wasn't communicated appropriately.

Finally, it is not just the Arabs that are guilty of this type of selective outrage. In fact, everywhere in the world, people are generally more suspicious of outsiders and more likely to treat them more harshly that their own kind.

So, are the blacks being killed in Sudan simply a criminal issue? To be dealt with by the local police? Where is the Arab/Muslim outrage at this? There was so much outrage when some cartoons were published, but nothing when a peace deal fell through in Sudan.
The selective outrage stems from a lack of introspection. Arabs are running around bombing places, killing, beheadging, and causing instability, yet if the Jews bulldoze a house the arab streets explode. Arabs hide their failing behind their outrage.
As for foreign military conflict, I'll stipulate Iraq was a war of choice. To paraphrase Powell, we broke and now we own it. Fine. What about the jihadis that are killing there? 1400 people killed by jihadis last month in Iraq. Why not the same outrage at this?

NameInUse · June 7, 2006, 2:47pm

Re: Not quite

mercenary2k:

Basically Arabs are racist.

Arabs beleive that since Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was an Arab, Islam came from Arabia, that Arabs are the chosen people of God.

I have lived in Saudi Arabia for 12 years. Arabs treat other Arabs or Europeans with much more respect and dignity than Pakistani Hajjis going for Hajj.

Thats just the mindset they have. They feel superior.

And this exactly the reason why they get their ass kicked wher ever they go.

Whether is riots in Paris, to anti-arab riots in Sydney, to anti-arab riots in Iran, etc.

Its the arab mentality of feeling superior that there is no peace in Israel.

When an arab kills an arab, arabs dont care.

But when a jew kills an arab, there is outrage. How could a race of people who angered Allah kill the chosen people of God?

Thats the Arab mindset.

The Arabs are a failure. Oil is not king anymore. Already Brazil has 0 imports of foreign oil, and the US will follow. The Arabs will be back to crawling in the dirt.
Arab racism stems simply from oil. They have no world class institutions or thinkers. Pakistan, a country with limited financial resources can develop the bomb and build planes, yet the Arabs are unable to do anything.
Arabs are racist in their own country. In the US and Eurpoe they are treated like the illiterates they are.

Stewie · June 7, 2006, 8:27pm

Re: Hypocrasy

I've been to Saudi Arabia, and experienced no racism at all. In fact, I had to stand in line at customs for 3 hours at the UK while Europeans just flew by the special EU line like there were VIPs.

I'd like to see you defend your statement now.

CheGuvera · June 7, 2006, 8:30pm

Re: When Arabs kill innocent Arabs: There is no protest from the "Islamic world"

Same reason rich americans kill poor americans by sending them to die in foreign lands so that they can get even richer....

NameInUse · June 7, 2006, 8:37pm

Re: When Arabs kill innocent Arabs: There is no protest from the "Islamic world"

It's the Arabs doing that. Not conflating mind you, but simply pointing to one issue. Homicide bombs kill 100 in Iraq and not a peep. Israeli soilder kills a membeer of Islamic Jihad, and the Arab world runs amok.
Israel is the least of the concerns of the Islamic world.

mercenary2k · June 7, 2006, 9:52pm

Re: Hypocrasy

A likely story....

maybe you got a western passport thats why

lets see you travel with a pakistani passport....

Rafik

mercenary2k · June 7, 2006, 9:53pm

Re: When Arabs kill innocent Arabs: There is no protest from the "Islamic world"

usa is spending 2 billion a day on the war in iraq

how exactly is it getting richer?

Stewie · June 7, 2006, 11:02pm

Re: Hypocrasy

I was traveling with a Pakistani passport at the time.

Basically what I see from you is that you continue to make excuse after excuse, since you obviously have been defeated on the issue.

mercenary2k · June 8, 2006, 12:08am

Re: Hypocrasy

no not really.........

my guess is that you are lying....

every day I experienced racism in saudi arabia, every day i read on the news on the way saudis treat pakistanis and other south asians and meet friends who came from saudi arabia claiming the brutal way they treat people

so my guess is that you are lying...

USResident · June 8, 2006, 12:12am

Re: Hypocrasy

Mercenary2k are you male or female. Sorry! But I don't know. Might explain a lot though.

mercenary2k · June 8, 2006, 12:27am

Re: Hypocrasy

was that a sorry attempt at a comeback?

Stewie · June 8, 2006, 1:02am

Re: Hypocrasy

I guess this is the level people stoop to when they have no other defense. I am not lying, and I have no reason to. In fact, because I know that I'm not lying, it makes me even more firm in my belief that whatever hatred you are trying to spew against other ethnic groups is unfounded.

You also say that's it's your "guess," but it's completely unfounded since you obviously don't have any proof to support it.

Listen carefully to what I have said. It's true, and you're in denial of the truth. If you want to remain in denial, that's fine with me, just as long as you don't use your personal prejudices to spew hatred.

People are humans, and they act out of human nature. People don't stop and think about what race they are to act in a certain way. There is absolutely no defense of the blanket labeling of a particular ethic group as "racist."

Oh, and by the way, if I had claimed that I wasn't traveling on a Pakistani passport you wouldn't have claimed it was a lie because it somehow, in some screwed up way, supported your position in your mind. It's only when the true account of the events doesn't agree with your position that you think it's a lie. (Even though I'm sure you know that having a foreign passport does not erase the color of your skin).

mercenary2k · June 8, 2006, 1:11am

Re: Hypocrasy

I know you are lying...prove me wrong....

how many news stories do you want me to post about arabs mis-treating south asians?

lol...nice attempt but try again at a comeback

well thats the way they have been brought up. i am not saying that there arent any arabs who are not racist, but what is taught in their schools, how the society in general they have been brought up, fuels these feelings....

absolutley...i just had a bangladeshi friend of mine stand in line for 3 hours to clear customs where as the next time he went to saudi arabia he was coming from toronto rather than dhaka, and he cleared customs in less than 10 minutes....

ya but it does show that if you mis-treat this person he can call his embassy and that western embassy has a lot more power than a pakistani embassy

Stewie · June 8, 2006, 1:22am

Re: Hypocrasy

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That's an unreasonable, rhetorical request. Everybody reading this knows it.

First of all, according to you, I should just claim that you're lying and not actually address the issue. Secondly, that story bears no relavence to the Arab/Pakistan racism debate. It seems are you cowering down now that you have been solidly shown to be illogical in your statements and conclusions about an entire group of people.

mercenary2k · June 8, 2006, 1:48am

Re: Hypocrasy

why is it?

get me some news stories in which pakistanis praise the wonderful treatment they get when they go to saudi arabia....

thats not too hard to find, or is it?:)

say what you will, but the ball is in your court.

find me some news stories in which pakistanis and other people who visit saudi arabia praise the wonderful treatment they receive....

Stewie · June 8, 2006, 5:57am

Re: When Arabs kill innocent Arabs: There is no protest from the “Islamic world”

Go back and read what I said. I was refering to your demand that I somehow prove to you that I am not lying, not about the news stories. In fact, you ignored my challenge to you to prove that I’m lying. (You won’t be able to).

I see you are playing the ball-is-in-your-court card, since you really can’t respond to my earlier points.
Firstly, people praising other people doesn’t usually make news. :halo: So it’s arrogant of you to demand this. Just as in any case, because of the nature of news, it is easy to find cases of negative behavior than positive behavior. You usually don’t see stories about two people of different races getting along, but there’s a lot of coverage of hate groups. Just because the news media doesn’t report on something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. For example, I could demand that you find a news article on every person alive today, and if you don’t then those people are not alive. It’s THAT ridiculous.

I absolutely refuse to make a serious discussion about racist attitudes (and in Canada, of all places!) about googling a news article.

mercenary2k · June 8, 2006, 6:59am

Re: When Arabs kill innocent Arabs: There is no protest from the “Islamic world”

ok…

http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=58806

http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/EGM_Ittmig_Arab/P02_Kapiszewski.pdf

no its not. there must be blogs, news sites of many pakistanis who told of their wonderful trip to saudi arabia and how they were treated.

maybe, but since I have lived in saudi arabia for 12 years I know for a fact the true nature of the saudis. and as for bad news being reported, you sound like the bush administration:)

you should think about getting Tony Snow’s new job

there are plenty of news articles on people who travel to different countries and they write about their trips in blogs and others.

So I am sure you can find plenty

then you absolutley lost the argument

USResident · June 8, 2006, 1:29pm

Re: Hypocrasy

No just a simple question wiht two answers i.e. Male or Female unless your not either one.

Stewie · June 8, 2006, 3:02pm

Re: When Arabs kill innocent Arabs: There is no protest from the "Islamic world"

Haha. You've been soundly defeated, it's time to be a big boy and accept it. Don't b.s. around with me.

So basically all of your post was responses to your own requests instead of touching on any of the real issues I discussion - a sure sign of a defeatist.

I don't think anybody disagrees with me that news is news because news is something out of the ordinary. Of course, out of the ordinary usually means bad news but it can occasionally mean good news. So the fact is that Saudis treating Pakistanis well is so common that it does not spark a BBC special report.

I have something of you to look up: the word RACISM.

Check mate. You've lost. Enjoy.

NameInUse · June 8, 2006, 4:01pm

Re: When Arabs kill innocent Arabs: There is no protest from the "Islamic world"

To the original point, I recall Zarqawi bombing a wedding in Jordan. Lots of innocent people were killed there, barring a few that took to the streets in Jordan, the Arab world was by and large quite.
I agree with mercenary2k that Arabs are racists. But added to that they are fools as well. They are obsessed with Jew hating.
Did anyone know that Zarqawi was in Jordanian prison for sexual assult?