Whats Going On In Karachi

Very well said yazdi.

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Listen Yazdi, how can anyone who from Karachi deny the contributions of the Parsi community. I also acknowledged the contributions of the Sindhi Hindus, and we could add the Gaonis, Jews and Anglo-Indians. Some of the city most famous educational institutions, such as NED University were set up by Parsis.

That chap Spock was denying the contributions of my community, and perhaps I became defensive.

The fact remains the post 1971, and onsent of nationalization and the introduction of the quota system effectively destroyed the Muhajir middle class. There was an exodus in the 70s of all middle class Karachites, and this was a decade before the rise of the MQM. The MQM has actually failed on its main promise, the abolishment of the quota system. More then anything, this has led to the aleniation of lower middle class Urdu-speakers. The problem with our people, all we can do is shout bhata khor, terrorist, ant-national, with out looking at the route of the problem.

What would my Punjabi co-nationals done, had they been in our position. I suspect you would have some thing similar to the MQM rise.

Young Muhajirs were often asked at job interviews where there fathers were born. There cases of discrimination in PIA, the Steel Mill, PNSC among other organizations.

And not sure why there are references to Sachar, thats like comparing chalk and cheese. You can't compare India with Pakistan, diferent countries, and different political cultures. Its a shame someone has stooped so low, every knows that Indian Muslims are victims of instituinalised discrimination.

My point was the inability of Punjabis to build up there language since 1947. As far I understand, and I could be wrong, there is no daily newspaper in Punjabi, or even a weekly. Sindhi, Pashto and Baluchi all have newspapers, and especially with Sindhi, has an active literally scene.

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Khan15

Its you who is stooping low, in defence of MQM and in display of racism towards punjabis. How do you compare Ganja with Atlaf murderer. Not a single muhajir has been killed in Punjab for being an urdu speaking, though there are more urdu speakers in Punjab than there are punjabis in Sindh http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/349010-one-third.html. While the party you support has killed every other coumminity in Karachi in cold blood.

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And you blame of separation of East Pakistan on Punjab is absolutely pathetic. You carry more blame for their separation than Punjabis. Bengalis were deadly against making urdu as national language, which put them at disadvantage to compete in public service comission exams compared to urdu literates.

Unlike you Punjabis never complained why more than 3 million muhajirs are living in punjab (exclusively in cities) and taking punjabis share of jobs.

I am not going to deny that the early Muhajir leadership's insistence on Urdu was a monumental folly.

But after the Ayoub coup of the 1958, the Muhajir were no longer part of the power structure. So yes you can blame them for the intial alianiation of the Bengalis, but not for 1971.

The problem is that no one has answered my question. If you were in our shoes, what would have done. MQM was born in the warped period of the 1980s, and followed an equsally troubled 70s. The answer I suspect is that you guys would have set up something similar. Infact, faced with similar sort of trauma, many Pashtuns have gravitated towards the Taliban. Unless you guys refuse to create a level playing field, you will getting MQMs.

And what's your evidence that the Muhajir's are taking your jobs in the Punjab. Part of my village is settled near Chistian, and they work hard as farmers, and don't depend on anyone. Can't see anyone depriving the rights of any Punjabi. These statements create more recruits for the MQM then Altafs dramabaz speaches.

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Level playing field?

Dude, you are the privileged community in Pakistan. Its the Sindhis trying to get a level playing field for themselves in Sindh that caused all the mayhem.

Well let me answer you as we both belong to same area and probably seen similar although I may say I have seen more having my roots in interior sindh as well.
I would try to be as much reasonable as possible as I don't consider what you call muhajirs as muhajirs but sindhi as me.
Quota system: although it may sound idiotic to you but quota system benefit city population more than it did to the rural in the long run look in the private sector how many opportunities do we have whereas govt sector is rotten and see how many from interior sindh are in private sector good many but not much, have you wondered why?
Although quota system was for their good but turned out other wise because it eliminated competition therefore education system came down to the ground people weren't looking for competitive jobs but safe govt sector jobs and now when govt sector job openings are decline many of youths from interior sindh find themselves unable to do a thing.
Go in interior sindh and you would see how much unemployment they have, and you may have noticed many sindhi speaking people doing hard jobs as labourers which pathans used to do and also you would find many sindhis from interior sindh doing clerical sales jobs than 2-4 years before.
whereas youth of khi is more competitive because firstly they have good education in first place second there is competition.

Now I would talk about 80s: I know those were hard times I still remember when I was stuck in curfew while returning to my home from boarding school.
We all have gone through it but I don't support no one blindly many people think PPP is good for sindhi whereas I say they are worst you know why because the kill the spirit of competition whenever they come to power they simply distribute jobs for money.
Many who criticize MQM aren't wrong actually but still I would say I would prefer MQM over PPP anytime because I know what their guys do in small town which isn't reported but still I would criticize MQM whenever they do it wrong.

So you can't simply put 60 years of history in one topic and say punjabi this and that nobody stopped others doing something it was just one (us) wanted others doing their bet first.

It ain't like that no body is stopping no one for doing something greater its just we are used to having a extra help.

frankly there is not much of issue if we learn to choose or vote for right people it ain't a big problem.

For example on issue of sindh finances and share MQMs sindh finance minister did better job then any one from PPP or PML historically.

Just look now what's happening PPP minister want control over everything karachi nazim within his rights doesn't let him and they are having a fight that minister would pose as MQM doesn't let them have a say in khi affairs whereas issue in reality was all about power , greed and politics.

We need to choose right people who can govern and run not divide us to hide their inabilities or lust of power.

The post of the thread! Excellent!

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Ok, I give up guys.

Sada Kam asi Tore ne kharab kiya. Khush.

Off to Sooothaall to buy a Gurdas Maan CD, have some kukkar, and appreciate the great Punjabi culture.

Brilliant post, Yazdi.

Dil bara karo dost!!!

**Firstly, did you even bother to check the list in the Economist? **:smack: Lahore is way up. Now please dont tell me the Economist is biased or anything of that sort.

You can build a bunch of failing bridges and underpasses and claim you are the best ‘nazim’ in the world, but liveability depends greatly on healthcare, sanitation, street crime, living standards, education etc.

MQM rabita committee's response:

Blame Punjab, Nawaz Sharif and the Taliban for bangladesh's creation
Altaf Hussani is a better poet than the Punjabi Allama Iqbal (they actually teach that in schools lol)

Also, can someone tell me which province, just recently got immense praise for helping out Bangladesh? A whole segment on Capital Talk was featured recently, and the person who approved that had an interview.

The punjab has higher human development compared to other provinces,this was revealed in UNHD report. lets see what it revealed

"The findings further state that province-wise analysis indicates that with HDI at 0.602 Punjab stands at the top and it is even 7.3 per cent above the national HDI, followed by NWFP with 0.563 that is almost equal to national average.

Sindh’s HDI is at 0.507 and Balochistan’s 0.443 which shows that Balochistan is the most backward province in terms of HDI. “Balochistan is almost 21 per cent below the national average while Sindh is below the national average by 10 per cent,” added the report.

The analysis by sector-wise indices for the provinces indicates that Punjab is leading in all the sectors among the four provinces, except for the economy index, for which it stands 2nd, Sindh remained below as compared to Punjab and NWFP in all other sectors except education, where its performance is slightly better than the NWFP and Balochistan, however, far below as compared to Punjab."

Punjab contributes about 70% of the total foodgrains production in pakistan.It is especially dominant in the Service & Agriculture sectors of the Pakistan Economy. With its contribution ranging from 52.1% to 64.5% in the Service Sector and 56.1% to 61.5% in the Agriculture Sector. It is also dominant in the Manufacturing sector, though the dominance is not as huge, with historical contributions raging from a low of 44% to a high of 52.6%.The textile industry is dominated by punjab.

wow.. just wow.. I don't understand if khan or whoever wants to support whatever party they choose why is everyone against it??? I see ppl supporting different parties here so when he says something, why is everyone bashing him for?? Live and Let Live!
Woh keh raha hai uss ko kehnay do, tum keh rahay ho tum ko koi nahi rok raha.
Every part of Pakistan contributes. If karachi is a financial hub, punjab is agriculture. We have all contributed the way we thought was best. Its the political parties that don't want peace and like I see here.. poison our minds to speak on their behalf only!
To ignore muhajir's contribution in 1947 is simply stupid just how stupid it is to ignore punjabis' contribution in 71.

Because that party kills people, and is used by foreign govts to destablise Pakistan

to YOU.. "that party kills" to him YOUR party kills... Get it??!!
I don't blame politicians for ruining the country.. if we don't get along lets not blame any one else..