What makes living being love their off springs

[kprasad]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@ajazali

either you are selfish or “selfish” but not selfless. Read following article.
Gene-centered view of evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brother ajazali, have you read your reference? Do you understand what it’s saying? This reference you provided is making my point. It’s arguing evolution and natural selection from a micro, gene centric, level. It has nothing to do with selfishness, as a psychological condition of humans.

@ajazali

They are athiest either because their religion does not answer their questions or they simply hate the religion. Later is more likely the case with them as they do not tend to acquire answer to natural questions from science rather try to avoid such questions and cover science by declaring thase questions random or specific. There are two random or specific questions in this thread. First, what makes mother love their child, and, is evolution happening today. An atheist could not come up with details against first question but second. As he could not find details for my first question over internet.
Their excuse, theory of evolution says, living beings are result of survival of the fittest behavior. Yet, they claim they are caring, giving and selfless.

I have no religion. So, to say my religion does not answer my questions is a false premise. Your other assumption is completely correct, I do hate religion. Because it is ignorance, superstition, and only serves to segregate us. Religion requires blind faith and obedience, and I refuse to be servant to a god that doesn’t exist.

I don’t have a religion, and you’re a faithful. But, your well being matters to me. Your health, your education, your live, and the lives of all your loved ones and countrymen, and all human beings matter to me. I don’t need a religion to tell me this. I don’t need a religion to tell me that I should care for my fellow believers more then anyone else, of that someone of another faith should not be trusted.

There is a one significant difference between non-believers, like me, and the faithful. There is evidence you could provide me that would make me change my mind about a deity. But, there is no evidence, no matter how persuasive, that I can provide you that would make you change your mind. That’s the difference between blind faith, and rationality.

@ajazali

The research you mentioned is based on assuming theory of evolution true, the theory that does not explain the origion of evolution. So that is subjective until theory of evolution answers basic questions.
When some very basic questions are asked, evolutionists reply that it is “better” explanation to go on then believe in “Magic”, that is when they excuse.

See, the lack of understand with you! Macro evolution in bacteria is an assumption. Do you know any scientist who have seen bacteria become anything other than bacteria? I know uou would say such questions arise cuz of “lack of understanding”.

More evidence of macro evolution in bacteria: E. coli long-term evolution experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let’s, for the sake of argument, assume I am completely wrong. What’s your counter argument? Where does the love of a mother come from? If not evolution, then what? Which deity set all this in motion, and what’s your evidence?

[ajazali]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@kprasad

Brother ajazali, have you read your reference? Do you understand what it’s saying? This reference you provided is making my point. It’s arguing evolution and natural selection from a micro, gene centric, level. It has nothing to do with selfishness, as a psychological condition of humans.

I dont know why it was hard for you to understand. In that link its explicity mentioned that it describes the social behavior like selfishness, and kin altruism is also kind of favour of yourself. There is always a motive like thing behind every action, atleast that can be your personal satisfaction.

I have no religion. So, to say my religion does not answer my questions is a false premise. Your other assumption is completely correct, I do hate religion. Because it is ignorance, superstition, and only serves to segregate us. Religion requires blind faith and obedience, and I refuse to be servant to a god that doesn’t exist.

I don’t have a religion, and you’re a faithful. But, your well being matters to me. Your health, your education, your live, and the lives of all your loved ones and countrymen, and all human beings matter to me. I don’t need a religion to tell me this. I don’t need a religion to tell me that I should care for my fellow believers more then anyone else, of that someone of another faith should not be trusted.

There is a one significant difference between non-believers, like me, and the faithful. There is evidence you could provide me that would make me change my mind about a deity. But, there is no evidence, no matter how persuasive, that I can provide you that would make you change your mind. That’s the difference between blind faith, and rationality.

More evidence of macro evolution in bacteria: E. coli long-term evolution experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let’s, for the sake of argument, assume I am completely wrong. What’s your counter argument? Where does the love of a mother come from? If not evolution, then what? Which deity set all this in motion, and what’s your evidence?

not a single word “macro evolution” in page of link you give.

I asked a question, you didnt even give me an arguement, you didnt tell me ultimate source. so there is no point of counter argument. how hard it is for you to understand the difference between a question and claim.

[Southie]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

We had so many debates in PA. So it off-topic here as Scherbatsky could not digest and swallow the part that science is not the ultimate yardstick so he/she diverted its attention toward belittling the religion.

I have no clue what you are trying to say. My guess is your response has nothing to do with my question.

[ajazali]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@kprasad

Brother ajazali, have you read your reference? Do you understand what it’s saying? This reference you provided is making my point. It’s arguing evolution and natural selection from a micro, gene centric, level. It has nothing to do with selfishness, as a psychological condition of humans.

**I have no religion. So, to say my religion does not answer my questions is a false premise. Your other assumption is completely correct, I do hate religion. Because it is ignorance, superstition, and only serves to segregate us. Religion requires blind faith and obedience, and I refuse to be servant to a god that doesn’t exist.

I don’t have a religion, and you’re a faithful. But, your well being matters to me. Your health, your education, your live, and the lives of all your loved ones and countrymen, and all human beings matter to me. I don’t need a religion to tell me this. I don’t need a religion to tell me that I should care for my fellow believers more then anyone else, of that someone of another faith should not be trusted.

There is a one significant difference between non-believers, like me, and the faithful. There is evidence you could provide me that would make me change my mind about a deity. But, there is no evidence, no matter how persuasive, that I can provide you that would make you change your mind. That’s the difference between blind faith, and rationality.**

More evidence of macro evolution in bacteria: E. coli long-term evolution experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let’s, for the sake of argument, assume I am completely wrong. What’s your counter argument? Where does the love of a mother come from? If not evolution, then what? Which deity set all this in motion, and what’s your evidence?

“Many atheist despots of the 20th century, namely Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong, committed terrorist acts in their attempt to create a religion-free utopia. Those three atheists alone murdered more than 100 million people.”
Atheism and terrorism - Conservapedia

it think you are the fan of these guys.

[Southie]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@ajazali

“Many atheist despots of the 20th century, namely Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong, committed terrorist acts in their attempt to create a religion-free utopia. Those three atheists alone murdered more than 100 million people.”
Atheism and terrorism - Conservapedia

it think you are the fan of these guys.

This is juvenile logic, at best.

[kprasad]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@ajazali

“Many atheist despots of the 20th century, namely Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong, committed terrorist acts in their attempt to create a religion-free utopia. Those three atheists alone murdered more than 100 million people.”
Atheism and terrorism - Conservapedia

it think you are the fan of these guys.

HA! You’re quoting conservapedia! Now that really tells me you have no notion of research or unbiased sites!
Second, Stalin and Mao didn’t kill because of atheism. They didn’t kill people because they weren’t atheist enough! They killed because they were mad men. Atheism had no role in it at all! Now, how many suicide bombers in FATA are atheists? How many of the Punjabi Taliban are atheists? What about the Moors, were they atheists? How about the crusaders, all atheists? Hitler…another atheist?

[ajazali]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

This is juvenile logic, at best.

No one is more ignorant in the world than the one who believes that human are evolved from rocks, and while the evolution from rock to human, life came into existence without any "intervention".

[Southie]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

^ I agree with the intervention part. Some need it.

[kprasad]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@ajazali

No one is more ignorant in the world than the one who believes that human are evolved from rocks, and while the evolution from rock to human, life came into existence without any "intervention".

Where did you get that humans evolved from rocks? And who intervened? What's your evidence for the intervention?

[LP]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@kprasad

Where did you get that humans evolved from rocks? And who intervened? What’s your evidence for the intervention?

rocks !!!

[ajazali]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@kprasad

Where did you get that humans evolved from rocks? And who intervened? What's your evidence for the intervention?

I would tell you who intervened, once you accept here that you cannot explain the ultimate source of evolution.

[kprasad]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@ajazali

I would tell you who intervened, once you accept here that you cannot explain the ultimate source of evolution.

The ultimate source cannot be explained, yet! But that doesn't mean it never will be. Since you seem to know, already, what is the ultimate source?

[ajazali]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@kprasad

The ultimate source cannot be explained, yet! But that doesn't mean it never will be. Since you seem to know, already, what is the ultimate source?

you are sounding like a believer!

[ajazali]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

“A key component of Darwinian evolution through natural selection is that life arose from non-living matter”

Actionbioscience | Darwin’s Deliberations about Origin of Species

[kprasad]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@ajazali

“A key component of Darwinian evolution through natural selection is that life arose from non-living matter”

Actionbioscience | Darwin’s Deliberations about Origin of Species

You’re still not saying what the ultimate source is, or what your evidence is!

[Southie]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

Everyone knows the ultimate source is Guruvayurappa.

[kprasad]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@Southie

Everyone knows the ultimate source is Guruvayurappa.

BINGO!!!

[ajazali]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@kprasad

You're still not saying what the ultimate source is, or what your evidence is!

Source of life on earth is Divine Order. It is very simple and easy to understand this concept once you start thinking out of the box of science and use common knowledge. Science uses constants and variables to make you understand complex things, which is again, based on common knowledge. Let me explain you where comes Divine Order (Order of Allah) with example of two objects, a living one and a non-living one. A non-living object like car can take states of stop and start, back and forth. Where-as a living object once stopped and soul is extracted from body, it cannot back to work. See, a human once died, everything is within body, an only non-material thing is extracted, and that is soul, Order of Allah.
Science cannot quantify this concept, why, I can explain if you ask. To you, this is a sort of "Magic" that happens to your eyes everyday, but you don’t normally bother.
Now you are left with two options, either believe in Divine, or in "Magic". There is no third option, I believe in Divine and you?

[kprasad]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

Source of life on earth is Divine Order. It is very simple and easy to understand this concept once you start thinking out of the box of science and use common knowledge. Science uses constants and variables to make you understand complex things, which is again, based on common knowledge. Let me explain you where comes Divine Order (Order of Allah) with example of two objects, a living one and a non-living one. A non-living object like car can take states of stop and start, back and forth. Where-as a living object once stopped and soul is extracted from body, it cannot back to work. See, a human once died, everything is within body, an only non-material thing is extracted, and that is soul, Order of Allah. Science cannot quantify this concept, why, I can explain if you ask. To you, this is a sort of "Magic" that happens to your eyes everyday, but you don’t normally bother. Now you are left with two options, either believe in Divine, or in "Magic". There is no third option, I believe in Divine and you?

What you are asking for is a suspension of rationality. That is what it takes, it's called blind faith.

[ajazali]

Re: What makes living being love their off springs

@kprasad

What you are asking for is a suspension of rationality. That is what it takes, it's called blind faith.

You being an atheist and science lover have no reason to believe that you will be able to control the life. So it is irrationality if you think that you could find ultimate source someday. We can have full debate on "why science cannot find the source of life" if any doubt. However, we have reasons (but no scientific reason) to follow the faith.