Yeah, question still stands Kprasad PM me some ‘jeers’ that inspired me make a new thread. lets elaborate the question.
What makes living being love their off springs?
The question demands proof of evolution of the behavior.
What was the basic level from which this “complex” behavior evolved?
What was the source of evolution of the “basic” level?
Then, what was the ultimate source?
Finally it would be some sort of definition of recursive process. What was the initial input to this process?
P.S. This thread is not necessarily for Kprasad however it reshapes the question.
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I think you should start off by telling everyone where you think it comes from, provide evidence of the source, and let everyone know how it can be ascertained independently. So anyone, that wishes to, can duplicate, reproduce, or examine the evidence.
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If ajazali falls for this then he clearly enjoys what comes his way.
Not sure why the other thread was closed as it yielded some interesting material relevant to the topic. Anyway kprasad I wanted to respond to you there but here will do too I guess:
Sadly, you speak the truth.
This is why I like sceptics though, they keep the rest of us in check and hold us accountable so that when we practice our beliefs we are not violating rights of others or barring others from choosing their own options.
I think through the years, I've become a little humbler just observing the sceptics doing good for wanting nothing in exchange. It seems almost senseless bravery to me.
Naturally I agree with you in that people should be able to profess their beliefs (as that is in essence a basic act - and perhaps a right -to think for themselves and come up with their own answers and conclusions). Whether the world accepts those explanations or conclusions, is a separate matter and according to most faiths, convincing others is not part of the role anyway - although I'm aware how far we are from that today.
I guess at the time when the only thing you hold to be true is threatened by those that are not in the same social or emotional state as you then you resort to the act of defending it whether through endless arguments or violence. What I don't understand is the faith that's so sacred and private, why sell it in the bazaar amongst used goods? (Just in case I wasn't clear, rhetorical question).
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My question techincally is ok, i think. Either you people are wrong when you say it is the result of years of evolution or you persist claim and accept that you cannot bring proof.
I am sure you people cannot bring the proof. let's disregard the proof for a while, it proves you a blind believer as you people have nothing to say but "evolution".
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Scherbatsky, you people claim to be men of science and science lovers. So burden of proof of everything lies with you people.
There are hundreds of such questions which require you put your hundreds of years of effort to "answer" and get so-called proof. It makes me humble and bow in front of my Allah whereas same thing makes some people atheists.
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I think you should start off by telling everyone where you think it comes from, provide evidence of the source, and let everyone know how it can be ascertained independently. So anyone, that wishes to, can duplicate, reproduce, or examine the evidence.
You know what your post means?
That means you dont have proof as you are asking me for proof, right!
And you prove yourself wrong on your claim "It is result of years of evolution"
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Much of what you said is, quite frankly, gibberish and contradictory. If one asks for proof, then, by definition, it’s not blind faith. I have asked for you to present your case, and your evidence. I have no idea where you’re getting this notion of blind faith, barring some strange ad hominen attack.
Second, one of the pleasantries, norms if you will, of apologetics, or any polemical pursuit, is that the person that tables the postulation is tasked with initial argument of the position. Defending his postulation and putting forth evidence for it’s existence or lack thereof. You have not done that.
To be even more clear, and perhaps elementary, you asked a specific question. One in which you have a specific view point. You have to argue that position first. For example, in a court, the prosecution, or the plaintiff, the one making the claim, has to present evidence first. Get my point?
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Much of what you said is, quite frankly, gibberish and contradictory. If one asks for proof, then, by definition, it's not blind faith. I have asked for you to present your case, and your evidence. I have no idea where you're getting this notion of blind faith, barring some strange ad hominen attack.
Second, one of the pleasantries, norms if you will, of apologetics, or any polemical pursuit, is that the person that tables the postulation is tasked with initial argument of the position. Defending his postulation and putting forth evidence for it's existence or lack thereof. You have not done that.
To be even more clear, and perhaps elementary, you asked a specific question. One in which you have a specific view point. You have to argue that position first. For example, in a court, the prosecution, or the plaintiff, the one making the claim, has to present evidence first. Get my point?
You lack the ethics of debate.
I didnt make a calim so it is illogical you ask me for proof. I asked question, if you have no proof you can ignore the question.
adition: rather you made a claim but couldnt bring proof.
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Those who think that science is ultimate yardstick to measure/check everything must remember there are so many questions that science cannot answer. This yardstick can measure/check other things but cannot measure/check everything.
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Those who think that science is ultimate yardstick to measure/check everything must remember there are so many questions that science cannot answer. This yardstick can measure/check other things but cannot measure/check everything.
If science can't measure a thing then should we believe just anything in its place? That's the question. When there is no definitive answer then everyone comes up with a story. It's okay if you personally believe it but it's when you call that story factual and force everyone else to believe it that's what others will have a problem with.
On the bright side, you can believe your own story and live accordingly as long as you're happy.
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Scherbatsky, you people claim to be men of science and science lovers. So burden of proof of everything lies with you people.
There are hundreds of such questions which require you put your hundreds of years of effort to "answer" and get so-called proof. It makes me humble and bow in front of my Allah whereas same thing makes some people atheists.
That's great. You have your own system for handling such questions and that's good for you.
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If science can't measure a thing then should we believe just anything in its place? That's the question. When there is no definitive answer then everyone comes up with a story. *It's okay if you personally believe it but it's when you call that story factual and force everyone else to believe it that's what others will have a problem with. *
On the bright side, you can believe your own story and live accordingly as long as you're happy.
no, we dont force people, we are told to tell people what is the best, that's all. Its upto you people, you find it in fact good for you or not.
Re: What makes living being love their off springs
If science can't measure a thing then should we believe just anything in its place? That's the question. When there is no definitive answer then everyone comes up with a story. It's okay if you personally believe it but it's when you call that story factual and force everyone else to believe it that's what others will have a problem with.
On the bright side, you can believe your own story and live accordingly as long as you're happy.
It is fact that human beings tend to fulfill their spirtual needs.
How do you identify a fact and differentiate it from story?
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Proof is the evidentiary support of a fact. Proofs demonstrate the truth of a proposition.
kprasad is selfless person, is fact or not?
And, you didnt answer my question, do we have an empirical proof of every fact?
I am trying to make an interesting point :)
Kprasad PM me some ‘jeers’ that inspired me make a new thread. lets elaborate the question.
