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As for road map, agree with Silaaj's post above
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In any civilized or truly democratic society the Supreme Court would have declared the election result null and void at the slightest indication of rigging in the election and ordered a full investigation. This is what should have happened in 2013. Whether it would have changed the overall election result is besides the point but rules are rules. They should have let the interim set-up continue until auditing of election had been completed. All the corrupt returning officers should have been held accountable and punished. But as it turned out later, the CJ was in cahoots with the Sharifs. Even if Ifti did not have a direct hand in rigging, we all know that his sympathies lay with the Sharif brothers. So nothing good or impartial could be expected from him. I did not agree with IK back then in 2008 when he repeatedly referred to CJ as a brave and honest judge. While the judiciary was freer than before I knew that it was far from being neutral or impartial. The 2000 US Presidential election result was delayed for more than a month until a recount of defective ballots was completed in Florida.
Actually election and specially election in Punjab is continuously being rigged since 88 by establishment . As a part of that team N$ and his team has became specialist of these tactics so they used those all tactics in 2008 and 2013 . Ch bros used the same method in 2002
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Road map has been there. Point is that criticizing PTI is the in-thing, so its easy to turn eyes from facts, and easier to pick on PTI/Imran. Imran has said in an interview that primary requirement is NS's resignation, and after that, negotiations can be held with the treasury benches on how to proceed in auditing the elections. If election audit uncovers large enough frauds, then next step is to agree on an interim govt, execute electoral reforms, and then conduct mid-term elections. In light of the recent court decision calling for a murder case to be registered against the Sharif brothers, they should have resigned anyway, but as expected, their behavior is no less than monarchs.
meray bhai this is not a road map...this is wish list. Kaya baat kar rahay hain app. There is a constitution of Pakistan in place.
Once PM resigns you can have an interim PM (like we had ch shujat when jamali resigns in 2003) who will need need to elect a new PM by having a new count in assembly within a certain period of time or assemblies will be dissolved with an interim govt in place. That interim PM will be named by leaders of the house and leader of the opposition. What happens if the corrupt leader of the house and leader of the opposition name an other corrupt interim PM. Imran will not agree with that but that is the constitution of pakkistan. ..so back to square one
Or current PM can resign by immeditaaley dissolving the assemblies and will place an interim govt in place. That interm govt will be placed by PM and the opposition party. So even if NS resigns and dissolves assemblies.. Even if he is arrested… he being the leader of incumbent house together with leader of opposition will name the interim setup and election commission. That's the law. Without any electoral reforms they may rig the elections again and Imran Khan be storming the red zone again after 6 months...you see the point
AAp ko pehlay bee samhjaya that that no The President can not issue ordinances without the recommendation of the PM.. on his own.
there is a constitutional path. Everything you mentioned above is beyond Constitution. Now if you want to change the current path you need to make changes to Constitution. In the absence of a PM and assembly who will formulate the amendments and ordinances? No senate cannot pass ordinances on its own so that those ordinances will become part of Constitution when there are no assemblies.
Imran is acting stupid by asking PM to resign. He needs to negotiate to get electoral reforms and other constitutional amendments first.
so let me ask again..what is constitutional road map for Imran Khan?
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As for road map, agree with Silaaj's post above
aap to paray likhay aadmi hain asif sahib. I appreciate your passion for Ik but there is a constitutional path that needs to be followed. Constitution is very clear if PM resigns. please see my post above.
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Constitutional democracy does not suit him. The fruits are too small (like KPK government) for Imran Khan’s ambitions. Hence playing this scripted drama and trying to sell it as revolution.
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yazdi bhai..can you look at my post no 63 and make sure i have covered everything correct per constitution of Pakistan?
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yazdi bhai..can you look at my post no 63 and make sure i have covered everything correct per constitution of Pakistan?
You did !!!
But let's see if it's going to be Kakar formula or new Raheel Sharif formula now.
IK was never wasting 12 hours of thinking every day to think about constitution of Pakistan.
He has to sell this choran as revolution.. which does not include respect for the constitution of Pakistan..
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meray bhai this is not a road map...this is wish list. Kaya baat kar rahay hain app. There is a constitution of Pakistan in place.
Once PM resigns you can have an interim PM (like we had ch shujat when jamali resigns in 2003) who will need need to elect a new PM by having a new count in assembly within a certain period of time or assemblies will be dissolved with an interim govt in place. That interim PM will be named by leaders of the house and leader of the opposition. What happens if the corrupt leader of the house and leader of the opposition name an other corrupt interim PM. Imran will not agree with that but that is the constitution of pakkistan. ..so back to square one
You) are desperately clutching at straws, trying to paint a bleak picture of hopelessness, which is far from reality. We have seen this from PMLN in the past as well, when they tried to scare public into thinking that voting for PTI would bring in Zardari.....and that supporting the long march would bring in the army etc etc. Enough hysterics.
If NS resigns, PMLN will install a replacement PM. That PM will have no choice but to conduct an immediate audit of the elections without exercising any control over EC or NADRA, and the future will depend on the result of the audit (otherwise we are back to square one, and IK wont need to call out to people). This has been the (legitimate) demand of PTI for the past 1 year. No rocket science there. If the audit proves rigging, midterm elections are a common sense result. If audit proves that rigging was minimal, then PTI takes a hit, and sits back.
Now I acknowledge the fact that when NS resigns, he still will be pulling the strings of the replacement PM. But in light of the long march and popular public support behind it (no matter what the media may have you believe), they wont be able to ignore or put off election audit any more. And with PTI lawmakers being a part of the process, the formulation of a new EC will (have to) be transparent and unbiased. If a new EC still ends up being shoddy, and new elections are once again rigged, then PTI will will be equally responsible for that.
Finally, please stop quoting a constitution that our govt violates 20 times a day.
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You) are desperately clutching at straws, trying to paint a bleak picture of hopelessness, which is far from reality. We have seen this from PMLN in the past as well, when they tried to scare public into thinking that voting for PTI would bring in Zardari.....and that supporting the long march would bring in the army etc etc. Enough hysterics.
If NS resigns, PMLN will install a replacement PM. That PM will have no choice but to conduct an immediate audit of the elections without exercising any control over EC or NADRA, and the future will depend on the result of the audit (otherwise we are back to square one, and IK wont need to call out to people). This has been the (legitimate) demand of PTI for the past 1 year. No rocket science there. If the audit proves rigging, midterm elections are a common sense result. If audit proves that rigging was minimal, then PTI takes a hit, and sits back.
Now I acknowledge the fact that when NS resigns, he still will be pulling the strings of the replacement PM. But in light of the long march and popular public support behind it (no matter what the media may have you believe), they wont be able to ignore or put off election audit any more. And with PTI lawmakers being a part of the process, the formulation of a new EC will (have to) be transparent and unbiased. If a new EC still ends up being shoddy, and new elections are once again rigged, then PTI will will be equally responsible for that.
Finally, please stop quoting a constitution that our govt violates 20 times a day.
For the time being please concentrate on the next episode of this scripted drama by storming the PM house.. as per constitution of Pakistan.
You are absolutely right.. let's stop quoting the constitution of Pakistan in the Banana Republic of Pakistan..
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^^^ In democracy, most important thing is voice of people.
Constitution of Pakistan in ‘constitutional book’ is supposed to be indirect voice of people, or voice of people through their representatives in assembly. But then, people can also give their voice directly, and that is referendum.
In Pakistan, Quran is above constitution.
So, we have 3 tiers of laws in Pakistan … and in order of one tier that can override other tier:
1: Quran and Sunnah … that is words of Allah and Prophet (SAW).
2: Referendum … and that is direct voice of people.
3: Constitution in constitutional book … and that is indirect voice of people.
Even though arrangements of referendum are organised by state, anyone can organise referendum if that is accepted as proper referendum. ... So let see … what happens. :)
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This Liar , Juggler , one like Musleema Kazab is cheating the nation by his live speaches
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The attackers of Tullu Sect are trying to attack the PM House
Re: What is the proposed road map of Imran Khan
^^^ In democracy, most important thing is voice of people.
Constitution of Pakistan in ‘constitutional book’ is supposed to be indirect voice of people, or voice of people through their representatives in assembly. But then, people can also give their voice directly, and that is referendum.
In Pakistan, Quran is above constitution.
So, we have 3 tiers of laws in Pakistan … and in order of one tier that can override other tier:
1: Quran and Sunnah … that is words of Allah and Prophet (SAW). 2: Referendum … and that is direct voice of people. 3: Constitution in constitutional book … and that is indirect voice of people.
Even though arrangements of referendum are organised by state, anyone can organise referendum if that is accepted as proper referendum. ... So let see … what happens. :)
Meray Bhai
I am conceding..
Banana Republic of Pakistan is not a constitutional democracy..
A mob is called referendum here.. personal convenience is interpreted as quran.. and a dance party of 10,000 people is called a revolution !!!
Basically state does not exist. A mob can storm the parliament and PM house.
Let's see if a country with these facts can have any future. Tableeghi Jamaat with proven capacity-potential of gathering 2.5 million crowd has the most legitimate right to govern the country according to your logic.
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He is making it up as he goes along
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He is making it up as he goes along
It's all scripted.. he is just following the script !!!
Nothing more nothing less..
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For the time being please concentrate on the next episode of this scripted drama by storming the PM house.. as per constitution of Pakistan.
You are absolutely right.. let's stop quoting the constitution of Pakistan in the Banana Republic of Pakistan..
Whatever happens, happens. This is democracy. Turkey recently had elections followed by wide scale protests in which people protested right in front of the EC and parliament. Protests are a part of democracy.
Problem is, Pakistanis are used to the lame duck democracy of the 90s, and they are used to you-scratch-my-back style of politics, and never thought that a viable 3rd option would arise. The current problem that people have is not with the long march. Its with the fact that there is a 3rd party that is very likely turning out to be the most popular in Pakistan. It is the dynastic $hit lot that is worried, not mainstream Pakistanis. Mainstream Pakistanis have always rejoiced whenever and however either of these parties were thrown out.
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^^^ Retweeted by Sheikh Rashid Ahmad
DR.MASUD CHAUDHARY @drmasud128 1h @asimBajwaISPR who is behind all crisis?I think sheikh Rasheed,Chaudhary brothers,no doubt model town incident is bad mark NS government
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Road Map of Pagal Khan
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taza tareen road map “mein Tariq Bin Ziyada hoon” aab imam mehdi nah kahna shuru ker day apnay aap ko :omg:
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Whatever happens, happens. This is democracy. Turkey recently had elections followed by wide scale protests in which people protested right in front of the EC and parliament. Protests are a part of democracy.
Problem is, Pakistanis are used to the lame duck democracy of the 90s, and they are used to you-scratch-my-back style of politics, and never thought that a viable 3rd option would arise. The current problem that people have is not with the long march. Its with the fact that there is a 3rd party that is very likely turning out to be the most popular in Pakistan. It is the dynastic $hit lot that is worried, not mainstream Pakistanis. Mainstream Pakistanis have always rejoiced whenever and however either of these parties were thrown out.
The problem is this third option can never get elected in any free and fair elections in this country due to ground realities. Thus this is choran tamasha.. being referred as revolution. BTW where are wide spread demonstrations in every nook and corner of the country against this pathetic government ?????
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Meray Bhai
I am conceding..
Banana Republic of Pakistan is not a constitutional democracy..
A mob is called referendum here.. personal convenience is interpreted as quran.. and a dance party of 10,000 people is called a revolution !!!
Basically state does not exist. A mob can storm the parliament and PM house.
Let's see if a country with these facts can have any future. Tableeghi Jamaat with proven capacity-potential of gathering 2.5 million crowd has the most legitimate right to govern the country according to your logic.
Brother, do not conclude ... please read. :)
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Even though **arrangements of referendum are organised by state, anyone can organise referendum *if **that is accepted as proper referendum**. ... So let see … what happens. *
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Aap ko is baat say kiya iteraz hay?
If state is not government ... it is froces, judiciary and bureaucracy ... and they can arrange referendum ... but if people themselves do that and all accept than also it would be valid.
In western democracy ... people do that all the time. People start mini referendum on important issues by taking consent signature of the people. If they can take few tens of thousand signatures on approval of their issue, than even though it is not proper referendum, it is considered as important enough for government to act on it.
Even if government has to decide big issues, like UK entering European Union, instead of parliament taking decision on behalf of people, government go for referendum.