Re: What is religion?
^Nope didn't make any judgmental statements, if you actually read the whole thread :). Try reading the previous posts and then reply :)
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I'm sorry but it's hard for me to believe that God is so judgmental and promotes disharmony between human beings. Just because an atheist doesn't belief in the existence of God doesn't mean that he/she will be sent to the fiery pits of hell by that same God. God would never be so cruel and hurtful just because a human being doesn't believe in its existence. I refuse to believe in something like that. I also refuse to be so arrogant as to say that only my beliefs are the way towards true happiness. For you your beliefs are right for you and for me my beliefs make me feel happy in life which is the only thing that matters at the end.
I don't post w/out reading. Perhaps we could both do the same. :)
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I don't post w/out reading. Perhaps we could both do the same. :)
ok but did I say that a person would go to hell because they don't agree with me or my beliefs or my perception of God?
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what she is telling is, some people openly say my path is the correct and right one..that too when they know that they don’t know as to what God will do to whom:D.
PS: i have no problem if someone says he is on the right path and others are on wrong path, unless and untill he is prepared to listen similar arguments from others to prove him wrong:snooty:
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But you were so sure that GOD would NOT punish…or vice versa…
How do you know?
See what i mean…
Thanks. 
bye
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I'm sorry but it's hard for me to believe that God is so judgmental and promotes disharmony between human beings. Just because an atheist doesn't belief in the existence of God doesn't mean that he/she will be sent to the fiery pits of hell by that same God. God would never be so cruel and hurtful just because a human being doesn't believe in its existence. I refuse to believe in something like that. I also refuse to be so arrogant as to say that only my beliefs are the way towards true happiness. For you your beliefs are right for you and for me my beliefs make me feel happy in life which is the only thing that matters at the end.
^Respecting your beliefs is an obligation. No one would have a problem with that.
** It's when you start sounding judgemental and go off making statements about what God will or will not do, is where the problem resides.**
** None of us can ever say/predict what God will do to whom. Maybe if you refrained from making such statements you'd do more to instill harmony.**
I know you intended good. :)
I have to agree with A.K.B, that GOD is very Just. Each of us are accountable for our own deeds/actions, the choice to do good or bad is yours/mine/everyone's individually.
Thanks....
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yup everything in the religious books should be followed word for word without really using our minds and differentiating what will promote religious harmony with other religions/beliefs and what will actually do harm. Saying that a person will go to hell because they don't believe the same things as you do......yea I think that would do it in terms of causing fights and killings. Yup that's what God wants us to do.
Respect my beliefs and I will respect yours, it can't just be one way.
Peace indopak
As Muslims we are required by our faith to respect you as individuals whether you are Muslim or non-Muslim, we are not allowed to create jest of anyones faith lest we should expect people to jest with ours. However, we are also required to enjoin good and use reason and compassion to bring people closer towards mutual understanding. We do not expect anyone to change their faith nor are we allowed to say such and such will go to heaven or hell, that is God's decision. What we are allowed to say is ... that in the Qur'an God says this about those who do this ... to accept whether that was or was not God is based on two things:
1) Reason and Reflection
2) Guidance and an open heart seeking guidance
You can take up the challenge of the Qur'an ... by ignoring it or by saying it okay for us and not okay for you ... is it not unfair to say anything regarding it until one is qualified to do so? We subject the Qur'an to scrutiny it tells us to do this, so why can we not subject other religious scriptures to the same level of scrutiny?
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Since you want to speak on her behalf…i’ll answer you as well! 
That maybe…what she “meant” but in what she said, she was pretty sure about God will NOT do.
i’ve quoted her..i’m not making it up.
Often our words get us in a sticky situation. Which is why i said i do respect her beliefs, and i know she intended good.
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yup everything in the religious books should be followed word for word without really using our minds and differentiating what will promote religious harmony with other religions/beliefs and what will actually do harm. Saying that a person will go to hell because they don't believe the same things as you do......yea I think that would do it in terms of causing fights and killings. Yup that's what God wants us to do.
Respect my beliefs and I will respect yours, it can't just be one way.
Great i respect your beliefs totally and you respect mine. Problemis this does not exist, i dont see a hindu doing it, a muslim, a christian or a jew, tell me who will do it.
Forget about religion we people are tolerant with each others view. Talk about the time when we were kids if someone contradicts us our tolerance levels are touching the ground. So is this a religious problem or an individualistic problem. Look into other non-religious threads in the same forum they are so many indifferences existing and do you find tolerance i should say with in the least bit.
Now all the non-religious ones want to blame this stuff on religion i wanna ask WHY is there any answer. Is someone promoting tolerance, none.
Talk about religion talking about going to hell or heaven, does that make sense where is humanity going no where.
But one thing is for sure, no one actually does what God wants us to do, have done that after all we blame God for no reason.
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We subject the Qur'an to scrutiny it tells us to do this, so why can we not subject other religious scriptures to the same level of scrutiny?
i'm not following any particular religious scriptures, i've taken certain parts of what I like from all religions/belief systems that make sense to me and that don't put down other beliefs and incorporated them into my own personal beliefs. These beliefs make me happy and i feel they are right for me.
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@Mirch and teaser, BarakAllah fi ka
@indo pak
again, your approach and analogies are wrong. No one here is saying that go and destroy the other religion with force and violence. No one is telling you to blindly follow the religious books. Let me ask you this: how do we define morals? Originally someone defined them for us and now we simply buy it. Why is that? btw according to atheists every single atheist can come up with his/her own morals, which seems logical to that person. Indeed, without any doubt, this leads to conflicts.
As i told you before, we are not the one to decide what is the purpose of our existence. It has been already decided, like it or not. We never willed ourselves to be here; therefore, the option is out of the question. We only have the choice to choose between what would benefit us. We are limited in our thoughts; hence, we do not know what is good for us. Therefore, we need a divine guidance to help us along the life.
Why do people always look at this matter from a violent perspective? If one student tells other student that he would fail the course and the other student tells the first student same thing, does it mean they both would start fighting?
anyway, let's stick to the topic: prove God exists!
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That maybe...what she "meant" but in what she said, she was pretty sure about God will NOT do.
i've quoted her..i'm not making it up.
Often our words get us in a sticky situation. Which is why i said i do respect her beliefs, and i know she intended good.
:)
I guess she spoke about that as her definition of God is different than yours
-For her, God can never be cruel just because a person is atheist or for not belonging to a religion
-For you, God can be cruel if a person doesn't belong to any group or if anyone doesn't "submit" to him.
But both are saying they are not judgemental and they don't know as to what God will do to them...:D..
Or both of you guys know as to what God will do to them, not just to themselves but also for others??..
Leave it..For me, Let anyone tell/believe anything they want. Anyone can come and question my beliefs whenever I am free, only thing is, be prepared to get questioned:)
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I guess she spoke about that as her definition of God is different than yours
-For her, God can never be cruel just because a person is atheist or for not belonging to a religion ** -For you, God can be cruel if a person doesn't belong to any group or if anyone doesn't "submit" to him.**
But both are saying they are not judgemental and they don't know as to what God will do to them...:D..
Or both of you guys know as to what God will do to them, not just to themselves but also for others??..
Leave it..For me, Let anyone tell/believe anything they want. Anyone can come and question my beliefs whenever I am free, only thing is be prepared to get questioned:)
Can you show me where i "meant" or said that? in the course of replying to her....? :)
It's ok to assume. Just be prepared and know when to assume and when not to. :D
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I'm sorry but it's hard for me to believe that God is so judgmental and promotes disharmony between human beings. Just because an atheist doesn't belief in the existence of God doesn't mean that he/she will be sent to the fiery pits of hell by that same God. God would never be so cruel and hurtful just because a human being doesn't believe in its existence. I refuse to believe in something like that. I also refuse to be so arrogant as to say that only my beliefs are the way towards true happiness. For you your beliefs are right for you and for me my beliefs make me feel happy in life which is the only thing that matters at the end.
If you have invented your own God then you are free to attach any kind of attributes to your virtual God . It is product of your own imagination. My Allah has told me to follow a certain path if I need to be successfull on the day of Judgement. He is the only one who can judge justly. I also told you Allah gives you freedom of choice. I also told you that Allah in Quran has told the holy prophet (SAW) to tell the non believers "say for me my way and for you yours" . Also Allah says that there is no compulsion in His religion. You are free to choose the way you want to lead your life.
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Teggy, I didn’t say that I know for sure and that i’m a 100% sure but I just will not believe that God would send a Muslim, atheist or anybody else that doesn’t agree with a certain belief would go to hell or would suffer in a such a way. I personally don’t want to believe in that. I believe God to be one to promote peace between human beings.
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Can you show me where i "meant" or said that? in the course of replying to her....? :)
It's ok to assume. Just be prepared and know when to assume and when not to. :D
yes i assumed:D...I assumed that every muslim staunchly believes in quran..and with your posts am damn sure you are proud to be a muslim and hence in quran. So i assumed that you should be believing that unbelievers are at a receiving end in quran(which quran is quite candid about it).
Ofcourse, I have no problem if anyone tells that also(though earlier i had)
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Teggy, I didn't say that I know for sure and that i'm a 100% sure but I just will not believe that God would send a Muslim, atheist or anybody else that doesn't agree with a certain belief would go to hell or would suffer in a such a way.
this is your personal belief not a reality. Everyone coming up with their own personal beliefs is creating conflicts and if we start following atheists' theory that let everyone come up with their own moral code then things will get even worse
anyway, i don't think i'll be hitting my head to the wall anymore, unless ipundit comes back with decent rebuttal to my arguments.
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this is your personal belief not a reality. Everyone coming up with their own personal beliefs is creating conflicts and if we start following atheists' theory that let everyone come up with their own moral code then things will get even worse
anyway, i don't think i'll be hitting my head to the wall anymore, unless ipundit comes back with decent rebuttal to my arguments.
So since your belief follows what the Quran says then that makes your belief more of a reality?? Ouch! I hope that's not what you're saying and plus I never labeled myself as an atheist
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So since your belief follows what the Quran says then that makes your belief a reality?? Ouch! I never labeled myself as an atheist
After the opening chapter of the Qur'an the next thing you'll read is ' Alif Laam Meem. This is the Book wherein there is no doubt '.
With a statement like this one can only read it and check to see if there really is no doubt, have you done this yet?
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yes i assumed:D...I assumed that every muslim staunchly believes in quran..and with your posts am damn sure you are proud to be a muslim and hence in quran. So i assumed that you should be believing that unbelievers are at a receiving end in quran(which quran is quite candid about it).
Ofcourse, I have no problem if anyone tells that also(though earlier i had)
That pretty much says it all.
Good day to you!