What is religion?

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would you feel right in telling a person to his/her face that he/she would go to hell because they don't believe in certain parts of the Quran and that's what the Quran says would happen to them?

I personally would never feel right putting somebody down like that. I think it's more of a "hurt" issue, I could never see myself making somebody feel like crap just because they don't believe in the same things I believe in in terms of God's existence or a person's personal beliefs.

Hope that makes sense.

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^ I share that sentiment with you too. I assure you, Islam teaches exactly that. No one has right over the others choice. Everyone is free to choose as they will. The proper Dawah (Calling) is to offer, extend the hand of knowledge, and then let he/she be. The choice is theirs.
The people you are referring to as, who like to shove their faith down into others are doing more harm to their faith/religion than good. Because it is a known fact, Religion cannot be spread by the sword, if it was, the whole of population might verbally abide to it but internally not believe in it. People fail to understand that, and the ones who are intent on enforcing the religion on others are the ones doing just that. They do no service to humanity as a whole, and of their actions nothing good comes. Never mind that, that's not the discussion here.

:) I hope there are no misunderstandings. If the hostile mentality of most would be put aside, we can indeed come to common terms for our similarities, and while the differences may exist, they should not prevent peace from prevailing.

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I think what is said here is hurtful. Mirch says that the Quran says "For you your path and for me my path" then this is said "you are a good member of society ( I am assuming) , but you do not believe in Allah , on the day of judgment if there was Allah you will be at a loss and according to my belief you will be punished by Allah"

I can't get myself to say something like the bolded part to an atheist or to anybody. I don't see God like that.

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i agree , but religions do teach respect 4 other's. It says in the quran you go your i'll go my way. Every1 chooses wht they want 2 do.

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Every 1 has their diff views. Only ALlah will decide who will go to hell or heaven. I truly believe that if u a gud person and don;t believe in allah or a god u will be rewarded. There are plenty of people ou thr who believe in god yet go about doing nad saying the most atrocious things. Do u think they will go to heaven just on the merit that they believe in god??? in my view they wont. It's up to god at the end of the day

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You are doing the same thing with my post as some people do with Quran itself . You are separating the Text from the context which results in the distortion of the whole message. Read my post again please . I am not saying the bolded part to hurt you. I am saying that to tell you why I believe in Allah.
As for Punishment for non believers it is mentioned in Quran again and again. Allah has given you the guidance and choice to believe in Him or not. What he does with non believers I am not deciding that. Allah has mentioned it in Quran. How and why and who is a big topic which is not under discussion here. If you are interested Please read Quran and some good commentary on it. Please do not criticize a whole religion and philosophy of life based on hearsay.

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I didn't criticize Islam, my beliefs just differed big time with what you wrote in your post. My belief is that God is not judgemental like that. We agree to disagree I guess.

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What are you basing your belief on ?

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Which religion preaches that God is not judgemental or does not Judge people?

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its immature of u saying that Allah will punish me for not believing in him...

@sindsagar "So Pundit Ji can you please explain what is the Meaning of your Signature??"
ok granma i changed my signature happy now? i'm glad that u'r not asking for issuing fatwa against me like u fanatics do most of the times....

@allahkabanda
u'r revolving in circles....and finally u read some evolution theory...If a part of things can't be explained by evolution theory that doesn't mean that u'r part of story is true or justified...

like i told in my earlier posts... i'm religious too but not religious fanatic....

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Peace indopak

It is quite funny to view this God that you have created for yourself 'Non-judgemental One' because of certain key problems that stem from that belief.

1) This non-Judgemental God allows anarchy to prevail in this world. Allows illness, and crime and for the rights of people to be taken. But when it comes to punishment oh no He doesn't do that!

2) You obviously have a sense of right and wrong, you probably also believe that sense is God given, but if we breach that sense ... God does nothing?

3) You probably believe the concept 'you reap what you sow' ... but so do Muslims, you should not view God's punishment as a human thing. Rather you should see it as the 'reaping' of what we have 'sown' in this world. We are actually throwing ourselves in the Fire when we disobey God. God has merely told us that that is how He has set up the Universe ... cause and effect ... sin is the cause and harm is the effect. Just as how He allows us to sin based on our choices, He allows us to go to send ourselves to Hell, May we be saved from it. Ameen

So by a God being non-Judgemental it is actually being unjust to those who have followed the law.

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ok. lets say the theory of evolution could be proved. why does it prove that God exists? why the answer always have to be God? why cant there be any other alternative.

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No my “fanatic” offspring * PUTR…we send Mad Dog Disposal Units after u r kind…:nono1::nessy::shikari::aejaz:*

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Haven't you heard of the flying spaghetti monster?

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**Allahkabanda are these are the answers to my question?

---Start---

The Cambrian Evidence That Darwin Failed to Comprehend by Harun Yahya

**The Theory of Evolution:

The Most Potent Spell in the World Anyone free of prejudice and the influence of any particular ideology, who uses only his or her reason and logic, will clearly understand that belief in the theory of evolution, which brings to mind the superstitions of societies with no knowledge of science or civilization, is quite impossible. As explained above, those who believe in the theory of evolution
think that a few atoms and molecules thrown into a huge vat could produce thinking, reasoning professors and university students; such scientists as Einstein and Galileo; such artists as Humphrey Bogart, Frank Sinatra and Luciano Pavarotti; as well as antelopes, lemon trees, and carnations. Moreover, as the scientists and professors who believe in this nonsense are educated people, it is quite justifiable to speak of this theory as "the most potent spell in
history." Never before has any other belief or idea so taken away peoples' powers of reason, refused to allow them to think intelligently and logically, and hidden the truth from them as if they had been blindfolded. This is an even worse and unbelievable blindness than the totem worship in some parts of Africa, the people of Saba worshipping the Sun, the tribe of Abraham (pbuh) worshipping idols they had made with their own hands, or the people of Moses
(pbuh) worshipping the Golden Calf. In fact, Allah has pointed to this lack of reason in the Qur'an. In many verses, He reveals that some peoples' minds will be closed and that they will be powerless to see the truth. Some of these verses are as follows:

As for those who do not believe, it makes no difference to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. Allah has sealed up their hearts and hearing and over their eyes is a blindfold. They will have a terrible punishment. (Surat al-Baqara, 6-7)

… They have hearts with which they do not understand. They
have eyes with which they do not see. They have ears with
which they do not hear. Such people are like cattle. No, they are
even further astray! They are the unaware.
(Surat al-A‘raf, 179)

Even if We opened up to them a door into heaven, and they
spent the day ascending through it, they would only say: "Our
eyesight is befuddled! Or rather we have been put under a
spell!" (Surat al-Hijr, 14-15)

In fact, the Qur'an relates the incident of Moses (pbuh) and
Pharaoh to show that some people who support atheistic philosophies
actually influence others by magic. When Pharaoh was told
about the true religion, he told Prophet Moses (pbuh) to meet with
his own magicians. When Moses (pbuh) did so, he told them to
demonstrate their abilities first. The verses continue:
He said: "You throw." And when they threw, they cast a spell on
the people's eyes and caused them to feel great fear of them.
They produced an extremely powerful magic. (Surat al-A‘raf, 116)

Pharaoh's magicians were able to deceive everyone, apart from Moses (pbuh) and those who believed in him. However, his evidence broke the spell, or "swallowed up what they had forged," as the verse puts it:
We revealed to Moses: "Throw down your staff." And it immediately
swallowed up what they had forged. So the Truth took place and what they did was shown to be false. (Surat al-A‘raf, 117-118)

When people realized that a spell had been cast upon them and that what they saw was just an illusion, Pharaoh's magicians lost all credibility. In the present day too, unless those who, under the influence of a similar spell, believe in these ridiculous claims under their scientific disguise and spend their lives defending them, abandon their superstitious beliefs, they also will be
humiliated when the full truth emerges and the spell is broken.

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Firs: How exactly this is immature? Second: Why have you gone off topic?


Do you realize that you don't even know what you said in the very first post. Go back and read it again. I presented logical and rational arguments to prove my case! Have you done the same? As i said before, if you don't want a decent discussion and simply here to attack and insult others then it would be better for you to shut up, otherwise you are only making fool of yourself.


Do you believe that all the limited things have to come from an eternal source? Now you are asking what exactly is this eternal source! Here are possible things

  1. Matter
  2. Evolution or chance
  3. God
  4. Invisible Pink Unicorn, Flying Spaghetti Monster
  5. any other mamboo jamboo you can think of

Now if you believe in any one of them, you need to present: ration, logical and scientific arguments, as all the atheists brag about it all the time. Let's look at the list in more details and why only GOD

The existence of will is very important to explain the Eternal reality, whatever it is.

  1. Matter -- I already explained that it cannot be eternal, doesn't have a will, non living

  2. Evolution -- not eternal, a dependent process, doesn't have a will, non living

  3. God -- Eternal, Everlasting, Limitless, there is nothing lik HIM and has will.

  4. Invisible Pink Unicorn, Flying Spaghetti Monster -- There are like its creation. No one follow them, created recently. They are contingent being where God isn't. The words, "Invisible Pink" are contradictory because you can't be pink if you are invisible, they need to reflect pink electromagnetic radiations.

5- For anything else, you need to prove that it has all the attributes as Eternal reality. If it does then the only problem we have is with naming that Eternal reality. You can name that Eternal reality anything as long as it depicts its attributes.

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Athiest must be ,
There was a frog he use to live in the sea and then one day he got out of sea. he was jumping around and he fell into a well where he met another frog … two frogs talked … The frog from well asked the other frog where did u come from ? other one said i came from sea ! … the first frog goes how big is sea ? the 2nd frog said its really big … The first frog swimmed around the circle in the well and said is ur sea bigger than the circle i made ? 2nd one said yes it is and the first frog made couple of more cricles in the well but the first frog kept saying sea is bigger than ur circles …
The first frog finally made a cricle around the edges of well and said ur sea cant be bigger than this !!!
Now u r frog of Well when u think of things u picture them inside ur well !!! get out of the well and find the sea which is much more bigger than ur well … probablly that will help u understand if u didnt see God that doesnt mean he doesnt exist ,… I havent seen the whale but i belive in the exsistance of whale … if i dunt belive in whales that doesnt mean whales dont exisit … so buddy u can think ur forefathers r monkeys and frogs … I aint a son of a monkey …
U wud easily belive that humans were monkey before but when u r told to see this picture little differently Imagine monkeys being humans earlier u wouldnt agree there !

Now lets say anybody agrees with u … not me some one … lets just say someone agrees with u for a sec that fine humans were monkeys earlier
then next question is where did monkey come from .. well evolution says they were crocodile earlier … Ok where did crocodile come from ohh they were fishes earlier accoring to evolution … hy what about fishes ??? ohh they just showed up somehow …??? i mean in the end someone just came to this world somehow… How can u beliveall this and not that God sent a human to the world ?