What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?

You already got one, i remember that in one the writings Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadayan or his Caliphs says that the Dysentery which was the cause of death, was actually his sign of being Jesus... he resemblence was with the color.. now that is yakh...

yakh what your mullahs write! ooooooooh, what a sensible post! you don't know even the true story behind, yakh to your knowledge, yakh to all of your crap!

This is really enoug now! Have a nice yakh!

I asked one simple question to one of your pal which could have been answered in yes or no.. now your pal like you put up mountain of useless things but never answered the questions.. in Qadyaniyat this can be sensible conversation but in others it is not.. now i don't know if it is going to make any sense to you or you are going to continue with your whining and crying...

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Why did I Renounce Ahmadiyyah

Actually it was your prophet Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan or one of his caliph wrote that... not our mullah... our mulla just make fun with the funny stories of this kind...

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I denounced Ahmadiyyah, because I feared for my life! This would be the best statement!

Strange that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) predicted these type of people. People who will try tu hurt Ahmadiyyat from the inner circle. This is what happened. This Dr. is one of them, then you have this dada abu @youtube, shahid kamal with his Cult :D

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's prophecy hit the nail! 40 years were very long for a Professor of Islam to be locked in darkness!

hanibal:

I cannot remember any of your question, but please ask again, I will go into it and not run away like my illeterate Ahmadi-Brother. I mean, have you ever asked any Ahmadiyya Scholar? All you do is ask the average Ahmadi-Muslim. Ask for Dr. Ghaffar Sahib. He has far more reputaion than this Nigerian Doctor. He should've left Ahmadiyyat before this Nigerian Doctor if Ahmadiyyat was really a Cult/Fake!

do they make fun or do they twist it again?

Have you not read or heard your Prophet (saw) who says not to heart anyone even if it's a joke! I know your Mullahs! I've seen them in my dreams. , woman hating Islam!

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[note]Plz keep the discussion civil and to the point,
*no name caling
*don't insult other people's religious leaders
*don't get personal[/note]

Srry...I was not pointing fingers on you.....Just everybody who every is subscribed to a particular religious group......arguing that our prophet is greater than yours !!

its just amazing how just to cover one thing , one has to make up stuff for it to make it look realistic.

So He AS will come back to earth but not as a prophet?.. why not? Whoever Allah chose as a prophet has always been a prophet and will always remain a prophet. Even Allah Himself didnt choose someone as prophet and then later took back his prophethood. Why will Allah do this just with Jesus AS?

First and foremost. He AS is dead. He is no more coming back to this world bodily. The reason why I said all that above is to make u think what you actually beleive in and how your made the perfect religion of Allah a fairy tale.

He is not gonna be a prophet but His coming back to the world is merely to tell christians that whatever they have been following till now is false?.. Why would the christians believe Him?

why do u think that ? I remember answering ur questions in my posts.. read up.

And please keep your opinions to yourself. In one of ur posts you said that whining is what the Ahmadiyya jamaat is good at? How dare you say that? How dare you speak about the followers of Imam Mehdi AS who Prophet Muhammad PBUH prophicised like that?

You have questions , bring it up ( most of the answers has been given in this thread already, only problem is .. you say what u have to say and thats it.. you dont care what other has to say )..if anything left uncleared.. bring it forward and we have a healthy discussion, instead of disrespecting people.

Mr. Popet,

Oh really, then again let me ask you and let see if you can answer it or not.. please no mountain of words simple yes or no...

Do Ahmadi Believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan was their Prophet.... Simple Yes or No will do... no need lengthy replies.. can you answer that.. ur other pal left the discussion your this pal has not seen ( i guess busy in something/somewhere) so now can you give a simple i one line answer to this

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Yes we believe that he was a Prophet! He was a Prophet same like Harun was to Moses, same like Daood, Suleiman and all others! I mean, which new law did these Prophets of Israelites bring? Jesus was a Jew and he came only to bring the Mosaic Law to it's root.

When we investigate the life of Isa and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as). They are the same persons, only different appearance. Isa fought in peace against the abrogated laws of the jews and Mirza Ghulam did the same, fighting against the abrogated laws of Islam.

I mean, why were there 72 sects between the jews? Because the law was abrogated. And because we are the brethren of Israel, same had to happen to us. We have 73 sects and only one will enter Janatt! The Muslim law was also abrogated!

Nowhere at the time of the Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) you see an offensive war from the Muslims. You only see them being attacked and then they answered, but the Muslims at the time of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wanted to fight the British with apples and tomato lol and thought they have a chance against this military power of the British!

Why didn't you fight? If Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) was an imposter, and he was to the Majority, why didn't you lead Jihad? Did your forefathers have not the balls? I mean, you are all talking about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) as if he was nothing! So why was one man able to stop Jihad? You were in Majority! Don't come with the story of British and Israelites supporting Ahmad, you were 50 Mio + against a few soldiers and Ahmad's belief! Why couldn't you beat him, kill him? I thought Allah erases who lies in his name! What is the British Army against Allah's will? Tell Me! Tell Me, I want to know that!

Why don't you go on slaying mission and kill all Ahmadies? Why? Tell Me! I mean, Janatt is guaranteed to you hanibal! Armughal! Come on, I wanna have the facts! Don't run away now!

If you don't answer ALL my questions and run away, never dare again to open your mouth against Ahmadiyyat!

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^^^ Now Moses (AS) was not Khatim-un-Nabi, but Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was, so ur comparison is nullified right there and then.

Now... your comparison of Jesus (AS) with Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan is blasphemy, a Prophet of Allah cannot be compared to an Imposter. under no circumstances, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan has any characteristics which links him to any Prophet of Allah. Niether he had any credibility nor he has a lifestyle worth adopting off.

if you continue to compare on the grounds you have mentioned, tommorrow somebody will rise and say that he have same resemblence with Adam (AS) as he and his wife was alone on some remote island, they build everything by themselves and they populated the island and taught ther children some good values...

Now all scholar os Hadees including Ibn-e-Jozi Agrees that any hadees which have some number in it is fabricated and disputed.. now for a second if i agree that this hadees is 100% right, then still none of the sects of Islam can have their own Prophet.. anyone do so, will be out of the circle of Islam.

ya Guy like Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan can only think about apple or tomatoes, Muslims in time of Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) was lot more weaker then they were in recent history... Muslims fought their way to win independence in Indonesia, they fought and won in Algeria, in Libya... Imam Shamil continued to fight against the Mighty empire of Russia... Now all these leaders were almost at the same time, but only Mirza was there fighting with Apples and tomatoes... not to mention that all the of them won, or glorified their lives. On the other hand, there are people who are still throwing Apples and Tomatoes on Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan.

Now you need to correct your History Record, Muslim's at the time of Prophet Muhammad (SAAW) did have offensive war, The War of Motta, the war of Tabook, the Capture of Khyber & Makkah , the attack on Taif are worth mentioning... so please if check records before you post...

My forefathers have made Govt of Pakistan to declare them non-muslim minority... and Islamic law does not allow to wage a war against minority ( untill they are not involved in conspiracy against the State) now that is you failed to understand then its yoru fault you need to learn more.

Nowi have raised in this topic but niether u nor any of ur pals dared to touch it...

It is agreed amoung the Ummah that After the demise of Prophet Muhammad (SAAW), the time of 4 Rightly Guided Caliphs was the best time of Islam. On the same note, these Caliph and lot more Sahabas trained/education by Prophet Muhammad (SAAW) were alive and active.

In the time of the First Caliph Abu Bakr (RZA) there was one fitna, in which several imposter came out claiming prophet hood. Now none of the Sahaba even bothered to have cross-check them, they just launched a campaign against them and thats it, defeated them, killed their followers and killed the Prophets... now with all the knowledge, with all the training Sahabas received, why didn't it occured to them that one of them might be the right prophet.. the reason is.. because the Prophet Muhammad (SAAW) has made it absouletly clear that their will be no Prophet After me... and anyone who claims to be one is liar and imposter...

Now you have freedom to whin on my replies, and yes i'll appreciate your cursing as well...

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ahh another Ahmadi thread ...... just old fashioned bashing and defending going on ...... keep it up brothers and sisters

It's always fun watching/reading u all

just waiting for the thread soon to be closed as so often in the past :)

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Found their channel on you tube.. some of the stuff is good as in logically good…

Am gonna watch a couple to know more.. heres the link:

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I thought i was done with this thread already but seems like hanibal really has something against people who call themselves muslims.

Next time, when a christian comes up to you and ask you if Muslim men are allowed to marry 4 wives.. just give them a 'yes' or 'no' answer and please expect them to believe what they've been told to believe. No need to correct their way of thinking towards Muslims. :)

You want a simple yes or no answer. Sure. Yes Ahmadi Muslims believe Him to be sent by Allah and hence a non-bearing prophet. There we go. "NO mountain of words".. according to your level of intellect and your mind capacity of learning, does that help answering your question?

Your next post is what i know of already. :). Ahmadis are outside the fold of Islam ! tadaa !

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The Holy Prophet pbuh said that before expressing something bad (according to you) about somebody , you should cry while praying for them 40 days !! Even then a muslim's respect if haraam on another.

Secondly what comes to my mind is when an idol worshipper, a sinner and someone who was an opponent of Hazur pbuh in war was killed by Hazrat usama after he read the kalima - lead to Hazur pbuh being the most angry in his life at him, Usama said ' he read the kalima out of fear!' and Hazur replied 'but did you pierce his heart and see what is inside it?'

To decide after the kalima is the right of God not you.

I think theres no harm in asking questions and trying to be informed about sects in the world -
argue on which point u feel is wrong - provide references - discuss and not quarrel ...

and most of all pray that Allah shows u the right path.

What is it they've got things against the very fundamentals of Islams, please explain?

Is Maulana Qasim Nanutwi non-Muslim for denying khtam-e-nabuwat? See below.

What about these people (below)..are they non-Muslim for believing that a prophet (non-law bearing) can come?

Mawlana Rumi
Ibn Arabi
Hazrat Imam Abu Ja’far Sadiq
Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah Muhaddith of Dehli
Hazrat Maulana Faranghi Mahal
Imam Raghib
Muhammad Qasim Nanotwi

References can be seen here; Seal of the prophets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let’s see you call all these people non-Muslim, if you are honest.