I was talking with my friend on the phone in Pakistan , (I am Kuwaiti),and he was talking about his nighbour and he told me she is Marzee, May be i did not hear the word but I am asking now is it away (Tareeqa) Mathhab in islam or it is another religoin ? what they beleive in , where they are ..As I know we have sunnah ( Hanbali, Shafei , Maliki ) , shea but never hear about Marzee. Please give information is it only group in pakistan.? please reply in Engilish becuase I do not know urdu…Thankyou
Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?
well…you will hear lots of things from different people…especially from people who are against it.
I would suggest to visit Official website called: Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website
BTW they are called Ahmadiyya Muslims…
If you need further information you are most welcome to PM me.
Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?
you might have heard the word marzai, which is the offensive way of calling Ahmadi Muslims. If you ask who they are here on this forum...You will know who they are from people who dont know who they are. Best way is to PM any of the ahmadi member here to find out about Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
And no, they are not just limited to Pakistan or India. You will find African Ahmadi Muslims, people from Bangladesh, philipine, indonesia just to name few countries.
Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?
they've got things against the very fundamentals of Islams but they like to call themselves muslims....
but the muslim ulema are united in their stand that the group is not muslim....
Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?
Marza'ée are the people who believes Mirza Ghulam Ahmed As their prophet and they follow him and his Shariah.
They are also known as Ahmadi & Qadyani.
All Scholars in Pakistan & Saudi Arabia Declares them as Non-Muslims. You must ask Scholars in Kuwait such as Tab'tabaée or any other, may he be Shia or Sunni, he will tell you in length about them and their false believes.
However, they like to call them selves Muslims, whereas they are categorized and treated as non-Muslim minority in Pakistan.
Marza'ée are the people who believes Mirza Ghulam Ahmed As their prophet and they follow him and his Shariah.
They are also known as Ahmadi & Qadyani.
All Scholars in Pakistan & Saudi Arabia Declares them as Non-Muslims. You must ask Scholars in Kuwait such as Tab'tabaée or any other, may he be Shia or Sunni, he will tell you in length about them and their false believes.
However, they like to call them selves Muslims, whereas they are categorized and treated as non-Muslim minority in Pakistan.
WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THE WRONG INFORMATION?
Islam is a final Religion and there can be no Shariat after what Holy Prophet Hadhrat Muhammad Mustapha SAW brought.
Get your facts right before you spread the wrong information.
As you have started off...for the purpose of viewers who read misguided people like you, I would clarify few points.
Ahmadis Offer five time Salaat
Pay Zakat
Offer Hajj
Fast
and most of all their Kalima is La Ilaha Illalla ho Muhammadur Rasoolullah.
So anyone who calls them non Muslims should decide for themselves....
they've got things against the very fundamentals of Islams but they like to call themselves muslims.... but the muslim ulema are united in their stand that the group is not muslim....
They are also known as Ahmadi & Qadyani.
All Scholars in Pakistan & Saudi Arabia Declares them as Non-Muslims. You must ask Scholars in Kuwait such as Tab'tabaée or any other, may he be Shia or Sunni, he will tell you in length about them and their false believes.
However, they like to call them selves Muslims, whereas they are categorized and treated as non-Muslim minority in Pakistan.
See Bent8Qi
these both are the persons who don't know a Iota, a dot about Ahmadiyyat and come here and bark! BentQ8i, armughal is absolutely right. The Ulemas are united in standing against Ahmadies and build the leading front. But when they discuss their differences you don't get them on one table. They are United, but they 72 different ways of life and lies.
BentQ8i,
they are truly treated as a minority, what happens to the minority? They have no right and have to fear for their life 24/7. I for example fear for the life of my wife and her family. Recently 2 Ahmadi-Doctors have been strangled to death. Husband was 38 years old and the wife 29. The wife was expecting her first child.
BentQ8i,
this is the work of true Muslims. I salute them and may they get their fruits for saving mankind by killing innocent people. I salute armughal, hanibal and their followers. You are doing a great job Soldiers. Keep on spreading Islam!
Hanbial,
why don't you tell him what you know about Ahmadiyyat? Why do you need your Ulema in Kuwait? Is this all you know what your dirty fingers wrote down? Are you not able to tell us the truth? Their false believes etc.? Which Sharia did he bring? Are the Ahmadies praying know towards Qadian and the house of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? You know not one iota and dare to open your mouth? Shut it or Allah will shut it!
Armughal,
I don't seem them united, except when they put their swords out and play the savior of mankind!
Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?
I think Ahmadies are bit pissed off from the truth i mentioned about Ahmadies...
In Ahmadi Believes:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan is Prophet...
Now in Islamic view point.. there is No Prophet After Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), and anyone who claims any prophet-hood is Liar and Imposter.. May it be Muslima Kazaab, or Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan the so-called prophet of Ahmadies/Qadyanies
This is simple theory.. i ain't need to go in details...
to Bint-e-Kuwait, if you are An Arab then please refer to Dr. Tabtaba'i, if you are Pakistani living in Kuwait then do refer to any Pakistani scholar and they will second what i have said
WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THE WRONG INFORMATION?
Islam is a final Religion and there can be no Shariat after what Holy Prophet Hadhrat Muhammad Mustapha SAW brought.
Get your facts right before you spread the wrong information.
As you have started off...for the purpose of viewers who read misguided people like you, I would clarify few points.
Ahmadis Offer five time Salaat Pay Zakat Offer Hajj Fast and most of all their Kalima is La Ilaha Illalla ho Muhammadur Rasoolullah.
So anyone who calls them non Muslims should decide for themselves....
Does Ahmadi Believe that the Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan was the Prophet?
simple yes or no will do... as the truth do not require the explanation...
Does Ahmadi Believe that the Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan was the Prophet?
simple yes or no will do... as the truth do not require the explanation...
basically you do not have any thing to support your argument...and thats why you are trying hide behind the bushes....
**PROOVE that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (A.S) brought new SHARIAT?
THIS IS A CHALLENGE**
Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?
^^ I said that tell me if Ahmadi/Qadyani/Marzaée beileve that Mirza Ghulam Ahme Qadyan was a Prophet or not.. and simple yes or no... was required, i wonder y, u were not been able to say yes or no!!! question stand still, answer this and we may proceed....
Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?
^
I guess you made a wrong accusation first in post number 5 and then I said you have made a wrong accusation in post 6....
SO LOGICALLY YOU SHOULD CLARIFY YOUR POSITION before you ask any further question.
Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?
You are one blunt Liar
here is what i said in Post # %
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1) Marza'ée are the people who believes Mirza Ghulam Ahmed As their prophet and they follow him and his Shariah.
2) They are also known as Ahmadi & Qadyani.
3) All Scholars in Pakistan & Saudi Arabia Declares them as Non-Muslims. You must ask Scholars in Kuwait such as Tab'tabaée or any other, may he be Shia or Sunni, he will tell you in length about them and their false believes.
4) However, they like to call them selves Muslims, whereas they are categorized and treated as non-Muslim minority in Pakistan.
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now where did i made a wrong accusation...
If you are pointing towards the Shariah thing.. then please read the complete sentence and say that Ahmadi/Qadyani/Marzaée
" niether believe in the Prophet-hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan nor does they follow his teachings ( which in religous term can be called as shariah) now please stop running here and there and answer this simple question... which i don't know why you are shying away from
My Question stand still... you have liberty to not to answer and just beat the bush... it will prove my case anyway...
You are one blunt Liar
here is what i said in Post # %
now where did i made a wrong accusation...
If you are pointing towards the Shariah thing.. then please read the complete sentence and say that Ahmadi/Qadyani/Marzaée
" niether believe in the Prophet-hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan nor does they follow his teachings ( which in religous term can be called as shariah) now please stop running here and there and answer this simple question... which i don't know why you are shying away from
My Question stand still... you have liberty to not to answer and just beat the bush... it will prove my case anyway...
dont hide behind words...
you said that we follow Mirza sb (A.S) and his Shariah....there is no SHARIAH of Mirza sb (A.S)..... you made a wrong accusation...
PROVE THAT MIRZA sb (A.S) brought new Shariyat?...Or lets rephrase that we follow something called 'his' SHARIAT.
dont run off and deviate from your original words....
BTW if your meant his teachings are his SHARIYAT then his teachings are the same as teachings of HOLY PROPHET Hadhrat Muhamad Mustapha SAW.
Re: What is Marzee is it religoin or way ?
Actually there are two factions lahori Ahmedis which I dont think believe in the prophet hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani & then there is another faction that consider him as a prophet...
The argument they often use that holy prophet Hazrat Muhammad PBUH represents the seal of Nabowat (Khatem-o-Nabieen) but Risalat does not ends at Our Holy Prophet...
The argument against this from the Muslim Ulema is that one cannot be a Rasool without being a Nabi, but can be a Nabi & not be a Rasool,(yes there is a difference b/w Rasool & Nabi while there were 124,000 Nabis only 313 amongst them were Rasools) therefore Khatim-e-Nabowat of Our holy prophet Hazrat Muhammad PBUH means that any one claiming to be a rasool after him is an imposter and a false prophet.
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Another major difference b/w Qadianis & Muslims is the belief regarding Jesus, in religious Parlance it is called Rafa-e-Nazool-e-Massih
There is an Ijma amongst the muslim umma that Prophet Jesus did not Die on the cross but was taken to the heavens Alive by allah subhanawatalah & will return to Earth during the End times..., the Qadiani belief is that while Jesus(PBUH) did not die on the Cross he escaped & migrated to a different region infact near Kashmir where he died after a few years.., there is even a claim for a place in Kashmir to be the tomb of Jesus.
This claim is actually very signifcant part of the Qadiani Faith because they also claim Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani was the Second comming of the Messiah & the Mehdi as described in the Hadiths of our Holy Prophet which according to them was not properly interpreted by the orthodoxy of the Muslim Ulema & theological schools
dont hide behind words...
you said that we follow Mirza sb (A.S) and his Shariah....there is no SHARIAH of Mirza sb (A.S)..... you made a wrong accusation...
PROVE THAT MIRZA sb (A.S) brought new Shariyat?...Or lets rephrase that we follow something called 'his' SHARIAT.
dont run off and deviate from your original words....
BTW if your meant his teachings are his SHARIYAT then his teachings are the same as teachings of HOLY PROPHET Hadhrat Muhamad Mustapha SAW.
ur reply is itself answer of question, i have no intention of getting into another debate on proved issue of Qadyaniat... i think the info here is enough for the lady to establish the fact that Qadyani/Ahmadi/Marza;ee are the non-muslims..
To add more to her Knowledge i Must say that all Qadyanies/Ahmadies/Marza'ees consider us ( who don't believe in the Prophet-hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan) as Kafirs... funny but true..
Actually there are two factions lahori Ahmedis which I dont think believe in the prophet hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani & then there is another faction that consider him as a prophet... The argument they often use that holy prophet Hazrat Muhammad PBUH represents the seal of Nabowat (Khatem-o-Nabieen) but Risalat does not ends at Our Holy Prophet... The argument against this from the Muslim Ulema is that one cannot be a Rasool without being a Nabi, but can be a Nabi & not be a Rasool,(yes there is a difference b/w Rasool & Nabi while there were 124,000 Nabis only 313 amongst them were Rasools) therefore Khatim-e-Nabowat of Our holy prophet Hazrat Muhammad PBUH means that any one claiming to be a rasool after him is an imposter and a false prophet.
I must say that no one in the Ummah can be more guided then the Four Rightly Guided Caliphs.
Now Syedna Abu Bakr launched a campaign against the imposter who claimed to be Nabi after the demise of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).. so if there was a hint of new prophet, then these Rightly guided Caliphs might have accepted them or atleast should have given them a chance to prove their claim.
But we didn't see any thing of this sort, even in the middle ages, there were several imposters claiming to be the prophets but none of them was acknowledged by the Ulemas of that time and were considered Dajaal and Fitna...
So how come this person can be a Prophet.. the discussion of Nabi and Rasool is thing of later stage...
I must say that no one in the Ummah can be more guided then the Four Rightly Guided Caliphs.
Now Syedna Abu Bakr launched a campaign against the imposter who claimed to be Nabi after the demise of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).. so if there was a hint of new prophet, then these Rightly guided Caliphs might have accepted them or atleast should have given them a chance to prove their claim.
But we didn't see any thing of this sort, even in the middle ages, there were several imposters claiming to be the prophets but none of them was acknowledged by the Ulemas of that time and were considered Dajaal and Fitna...
So how come this person can be a Prophet.. the discussion of Nabi and Rasool is thing of later stage...
May be you have misinterpreted me... I was not making an argument for or against Qadianiat... I was only narrating an argument presented by Qadianis & its refutation by the Ulema...