Why do you keep changing your question making it seem like you were asking the same question in the first place?
If that's the case how come it was not mentioned as the Shia of Abu Bakr/Umar as I recall several ahadith in Bukhari saying that they had more respect in the Prophet's (saw) eyes?
Second, it's simple. Look at who calls themselves the Shia of Ali (as) today. I understand calling yourself a Shia does not make yourself a Shia but from a Sunni perspective, would a Sunni call himself Shia of Ali (as)? If no, then why not? Wouldn't he prefer being called the Shia of Mohammad (saw) instead? If yes, then you already have your answer from the ahadith that following the Prophet (saw) = following Ali (as), and what had occurred in Jamal?
It's well known Ali (as) did not give bayah to ABu Bakr for 6 months, I am positive it's in Bukhari, yet the Sunni position is that Abu Bakr was the rightful khalifa in the 1st place. That's how you follow Imam Ali (as)?
Since the Prophet (saw) is giving guidelines for the Muslim's after his death, he asks people to follow Ali (as) - yet Abu Bakr becomes khalifa?
Peace Jafri bro
Yes I follow Ali (AS):
He accepted Abu Bakr (RA) therefore I accept the Caliphate of Abu Bakr (RA)
He accepted Umar (RA) therefore I accept the Caliphate of Umar (RA)
He accepted Uthman (RA) therefore I accept the Caliphate of Uthman (RA)
He was Caliph ... so I accept his caliphate.
To be a follower of someone means that you agree with their decisions, not that you shout his name with vigour and passion.
Lets be united on our love for Ahl-ul-Bayt instead of trying to compete by blows below the belt. We can be an ummah despite our differences.
Khilafat:
Jammat-e-Ahmadiyya responded to what he said in his video. and our response was supported by quranic verses and ahadith unlike Ghamidi’s response. Moreover, If you
bother to go through the tafseer-e-kabir reference (being refered to in video), you will get a thorough answer. Here is an excerpt from tafseer-e-kabir of surah noor
read the highlighted paragraph and see what is written here.
Takfeer:
wow… so are you suggesting to me that you guys don’t resort to takfeer. Try to quote reference from official ahmadiyya website(alislam.org) not from some
xyz site. Why do you guys always refer to so-called takfeer by jammat-e-Ahmadiyya when you (the non-Ahmadis) have issued takfiri fatawas left and right. Fatwas of one
sect against other. Fatwas against ahmadis. Ahl-e-hadith molvis and others as well were first ones in our takfeer. (Let me know if you need reference and glipmse of
those hideous fatwas). Here is an excerpt from Promised messiah’s(as) Haqiqatul Wahi. It expalins this issue. Pls do read it.
…The issue of 72/73 sects later in a different post
Sunni but not some shias not so enthusiastic against ahmadjiya since they feel soft corner for ahmadiya not being in larger group.May not be true but it does appear.
Some sunnis trying to please shias saying they are shias of Ali RA and adding AS to his name....:)
Ya!...? Great. No big deal! :D Let me tell you. Gotchya! ;)
:D
Bro, Islam is not something like (nauzubillah) a gay village where every tom dick and harry can claim what they want and live happily ever after.
There are some **strict fundamental **beliefs that will not change till the day of qiyama. If we start to accept every other belief on the basis of "unity" then my friend, we will lose the battle of HAQ vs batil.
Yes, the disunity caused by fiqh/madhab differences are sheer stupidity and ignorance. There, we need to bring everyone together under one umbrella by educating and those include the people who point fingers at people following a madhab.
Bro, Islam is not something like (nauzubillah) a gay village where every tom dick and harry can claim what they want and live happily ever after.
There are some **strict fundamental **beliefs that will not change till the day of qiyama. If we start to accept every other belief on the basis of "unity" then my friend, we will lose the battle of HAQ vs batil.
Yes, the disunity caused by fiqh/madhab differences are sheer stupidity and ignorance. There, we need to bring everyone together under one umbrella by educating and those include the people who point fingers at people following a madhab.
I am happy to answer this but try not to hide behind the smilie :D here.
Tell what you meant by posting
"Ya Abu Bakar Madad
Ya Umar Madad
Ya Uthman Madad
Ya Ali Madad"
You can not act nor can falsely act as a Shia knowing your hatred towards them and still post "ya Ali Madad". :) Busted
Dude! Your posts speak clearly of your contradictions and actually your true intentions. ;)
I am happy to answer this but try not to hide behind the smilie :D here.
Tell what you meant by posting
"Ya Abu Bakar Madad
Ya Umar Madad
Ya Uthman Madad
Ya Ali Madad"
You can not act even falsely ad a Shia knowing your hatred towards them and still post ya Ali Madad. :) Busted!
Dude! Your posts speak clearly of your contradictions and actually your true intentions. ;)
My intentions of that post:
1. To reply to your post with sarcasm
2. to show the rafidah, if they can say Ya Ali, then so can I. And I don't hide behind smiles. My intentions are clearer than crystal. Btw, I don't consider shias as a whole to be hypocrites but only the rafidah cult aka extremists. < that should be enough to tell you that I don't hide behind some smile.
Now I hope that is clear, answer my post if you wish to do so.
My intentions of that post:
1. To reply to your post with sarcasm
2. to show the rafidah, if they can say Ya Ali, then so can I. And I don't hide behind smiles. My intentions are clearer than crystal. *Btw, I don't consider shias as a whole to be hypocrites but only the rafidah cult *aka extremists. **< that should be enough to tell you that I don't hide behind some smile.
Now I hope that is clear, answer my post if you wish to do so.
Sarcasm?..........humm. Explain the sarcasm. For a short time consider me not be able to get the sarcasm.
Why say "Ya" in the beginning to each sentence? Ahle Sunnat Waljamat or Shia say this and not many others............Let me guess why you posted it.....;)
Why say "Ya" in the beginning to each sentence? Ahle Sunnat Waljamat or Shia say this and not many others............Let me guess why you posted it.....;)
Peace Jafri bro
He accepted Abu Bakr (RA) therefore I accept the Caliphate of Abu Bakr (RA)
And what exactly makes you think that this was not out of necessity and compulsion because of the fact that people started to hate him (the Imam of the time!), and did it after 6 months of reluctance to accept it? Can you prove this from the Sahihain? Sahih bukhari: Volume 5, Book 59, Number 546 and Sahih Muslim:Book 019, Number 4352: are two entire ahadith about what happened, and they shows how the reason for Imam Ali (as) giving the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr was that people started hating Imam Ali (as). Imam Ali (as), as the religious leader of his time, had to harness people's favour in order to prevent them being mislead [since a person wouldn't really obey a person a hates], which was ofcourse a political tactic in the form of Taqiyyah.
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He accepted Umar (RA) therefore I accept the Caliphate of Umar (RA)
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Read the above hadith from Sahih Bukhari. Why does the narrator 'Aisha'] say Imam Ali (as) disliked Umar entering his house? Could it be, perhaps because he threatened to burn it? You want to accept that Imam Ali (as) would give his oath of allegiance to the same person who threatened to burn his house? Again, any proof from the Sahihain that he did give the oath of allegiance to Umar?
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He accepted Uthman (RA) therefore I accept the Caliphate of Uthman (RA)
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Oh, he did? Hmm... maybe that's why, on the occasion of the Battle of Siffin, the issue that whether or not Uthman's murder was just and should his murderers be punished or not, needed discussion? Last time I checked Imam Ali (as) was reluctant to accept that Uthman's has justly ruled the Muslim Ummah and thereby held 'talks' to discuss it and come to a conclusion and act accordingly [widely known as the arbitration between Abu Musa al-Ashari and Amr bin al A'as].
Oh, he did? Hmm... maybe that's why, on the occasion of the Battle of Siffin, the issue that whether or not Uthman's murder was just and should his murderers be punished or not, needed discussion? Last time I checked Imam Ali (as) was reluctant to accept that Uthman's has justly ruled the Muslim Ummah and thereby held 'talks' to discuss it and come to a conclusion and act accordingly [widely known as the arbitration between Abu Musa al-Ashari and Amr bin al A'as].
Ya diwana ... if its so reactionless then leave it alone ...
Do you say ... "Assalamu 'alaika ayu hannabiyu .." in salat during tashhud?
If you do then you too also say "ya nabi" ... it is harf ul nida ... The addressing to the second person.
Sure. Ya Psyah!
Like I said it doesn't bother me a bit.
I merely questioned the intention of that post by CP and pointed out this person is not what this person pretend to be. One can read 'his' threads and posts for better understanding. :)
I merely questioned the intention of that post by CP and pointed out this person is not what this person pretend to be. One can read 'his' threads and posts for better understanding. :)
Why not come out and tell me what you think I really am openly rather than openly accuse me?
When will you come out openly and say why you REALLY wrote the post with following sentences… ( remind you I have no problem with these whatsoever )
“Ya Abu Bakar Madad
Ya Umar Madad
Ya Uthman Madad
Ya Ali Madad”
Just tell ‘openly’ and ‘sincerely’ and not adding if or but.
After I questioned you, you decied to divide shias in to extremists and non extremists… Even though I never heard of or saw any shia being so extremist that the person tries to convert other.
Shia think themselves like the jews…either you are from the familiy of “ahle Bait” or not.
It is possible but hard to become a shia after birth. I may be quite wrong.
Still your theory of extremist shia and not extremist shia is down the drain…They all will not have problem with saying Ya Ali Madad.
Do you think those who say “Ya Ali Madad” are extremist shia???
Not a single Sunni however says openly or believes on …Ya Abu Bakar, Ya Umer, Ya Uthman Shows how bigot and inflammatory you are.
I don't see what, his being an infallible Imam, has to do with the fact that fair arbitration had to be carried out (which was never done, in the end).
Brother, it’s better if you go study than to accuse me of whatever that comes to your mind. You clearly have no idea what or who a shia is and how many groups they have within their sect.
If Ali (ra) was an infallible human being, then why the need for consultation? Surely if he was so-called infallible he would of made his decision on the spot.
Clearly he was not infallible. Alhamdulillah. May Allah curse those who say such insult. Ameen.
btw, diwana now you see who the extremists shia are? They say their 12 imams are infallible, the Ahle Sunnah have declared them non-believers long ago. Stop trying to act politically correcto like a fairy in lala land, come back to reality.
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Even though I never heard of or saw any shia being so extremist that the person tries to convert other.