What is a sect? [split from 73 sects]

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Peace brahmachari99

Please enlighten me … What is a sect in Islam?

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What is a sect in Islam?

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Re: What is a sect? [split from 73 sects]

Umm a sect according to Islam ... Or what is a sect (firqa) in an Islamic context.

I don't think bramachari99 can or will answer!

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Re: What is a sect? [split from 73 sects]

*A group of people forming a distinct unit within a larger group by virtue of certain refinements or distinctions of belief or practice.

*People who label the madhaib as sects in Islam should be reading the definitions. :hehe: Not only that, they should be studying what a madhab really is.

The way I see it, there is no sect in Islam. If a group of people differ with the fundamentals of Islam, they are no longer considered Muslims. If the group just differs in the non-fundamentals then we can just call them a school of thought. Recent example; ‘Salafis’. They are not a sect but a school of thought that has emerged.

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do you guys beleive in the veracity of the hadith of 72/73 divisions or not?

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Well, the question about 73 sects is answered by Javed Ahmad Ghamidi in Dunya tv programme.

Go to any proxy website (i.e http://www.trycatchme.com)

then open www.youtube.com/aamirliaquat

and watch the most viewed video.

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They are sects and there is no doubt about it. The fundamentals of the true Islam such as tawheed, which is the fundamental of all fundamentals if you like, differs from that of the deviant Salafi’s.

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Peace Jafri

Why are we using the term sect without defining it?

It is very important that we all understand and use the term so all parties understand what it is we are saying.

Is a madhab a sect or is a sect something else?

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Re: What is a sect? [split from 73 sects]

A madhab is a sect.

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I couldn’t open the video. pls either post the video here or just present your stance in 1-2 liners.

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sect is suppose to be a diviision of a religion...but there is no such thing as a sect that divided from original and still be right. only the original is the correct form. ALL sects are innovations of shaitan and the followers of he-who-must-not be-named

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Peace Jafri

A madhab is not a sect to some people, please explain why you feel a madhab is a sect.

Peace aramis

What type of division? Come on this an easy question ... please answer it.

How do we understand it when the Qur'an states "a group that enjoins good and forbids evil" ? If such a group existed and all divisions are wrong does that make it unnecessary or wrong to have such a group? Rather some people argue that only members of such a group are correct, but then which comes first the main body or the group? Also, by virtue of being a group it no longer is a group if everybody is part of it, it becomes the main body. So it seems that the Qur'an advocates the existent of a group of people for a certain set of duties. Let's call it a team.

Can Islam not be viewed as an organisation in which there are teams working for a common goal?

Is it a sect that when the common goal becomes different or when you make new groups?

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Madhab's are all sects. When you are out of line with the path of the Ahl-al-Bayt, it is merely a madhab.

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Peace Jafri

All sects are hell bound according to the hadith. Do you believe all madhabs are going to hell?

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Re: What is a sect? [split from 73 sects]

I thought sects are formed because of people interpreting specific injunctions of religion in a different way. Mostly they differ in terms of historical interpretation of events or on how to perform physical rituals.

One cannot be sure which is wrong and which is right. I think as long as you have God in your heart and the right neeyat, the exact form of prayers or other rituals don't really matter.

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Does it really make someone hellbound for putting his arms to pray on his chest instead of navel? Or vice-versa?

Or is there a bigger difference required to be called a "sect" - Is it not true that the term in English is associated to ... "sectarian" ... or those who disassociate?

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Okay lets entertain this ... Let's say a firqa is only considered to be so when there is a fundamental dogmatic position that is being contested, these include:

The accusation of shirk
The accusation of bid'a to the extent of kufr
The accusation of kufr
The absolving from other Muslims who are not part of the group

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Nope, the sahabas prayed differently, there's evidence of praying with hands on chest, on the sides, below the naval..etc Alhamdulillah. You're right bro, sect is a group which has departed from the major beliefs of the religion. It's all in the definitions and all of us have different interpretations of these words... Allah knows best.

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You can't guarantee yourself that you are going to heaven, much less of other peoples/sects. However without the proper belief in the authority of Ahl al Bayt (as), the chances are slim. I am a Shia but I am still a sinner, I do not believe just being a follower and muhib of the Ahl al Bayt will save me from hellfire.

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Dear brother you have not answered the question. It is:

The hadith states that there will be 73 sects, all but 1 will be in hellfire. Which is the one that will not be in hellfire?

Please tell me ... I was not talking about guarantees. I was talking about that hadith.

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SubhanAllah ... we are quick to comdemn, yet so slow to realise what it means to be doing so.