Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?
Man, this is getting funnier and funnier by the day. 
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Do not get hung up about sacred books.. hindus and muslims have very different interpretations of "sacred" books and what role they should play. I understand that will be difficult for you to grasp simply because you are unused to any other interpretations of "sacred" books.
You need to read my replies in the context of what Yudishthir said. He is excluding Samritis and then Purans from the sacred books of Hinduism. And I have quoted websites that list them in sacred books. That’s the whole point.
What is the point of interpretation here? You are just being a little emotional.
I don’t need to “GO” to India to learn anything. Whatever I need to know I am reading it from Hindu websites.
You know what? These are all excuses given by Hindus.
When I tell them one scripture, they say, it is not authentic. They exclude it from others.
When I tell them a verse, they say, my translation is not right, although it has beed taken from pure Hindu websites.
When I tell them a website, they say, the website is moronic is it tells some negative aspect. If the website tells the truth, they just ignore my post.
When I quote something, they say, it is from Dalitstan.org and Sita Agarwal.
**When I discuss **their faith, they say (Like you did) you have to go to India to understand or “have you ever been to India”
Try to reply to my posts instead to assembling into a group to deal with me.
lemme answer it......sati-pratha came into existance in mughal invation of the sub-continent. Before mughal invation hinduism was known as vedicism, there were lot of liberties given to the people, total freedom just like domocracy can give.
Mughal invation resulted downfall of the liberty given to vedic people by the local admonistartions (panchyats and brahmans).
Now Mr. Chander_kills, This is gonna hunt you. You made a big mistake. I’ll be back with an answer. Although you dragged Mughals in here but I’ll show how it originated and how the wives of the Hindu gODs committed SATI in the very beginning….
You are a plain lier.
Here I at least commend Yidhisthir and ssingh both who are writing reasonable replies. Both accept what has to be accepted. And I have really enjoyed discussing with Yidhishthir and to some extent ssingh.
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lemme answer it......sati-pratha came into existance in mughal invation of the sub-continent. Before mughal invation hinduism was known as vedicism, there were lot of liberties given to the people, total freedom just like domocracy can give.
Mughal invation resulted downfall of the liberty given to vedic people by the local admonistartions (panchyats and brahmans).
And this invalidates your whole post......
" The 8 queens of Krishna, who have been named, with Rukmini at their head, embraced the body of Hari, and entered the funeral fire. Revati also embracing the corpse of Rama, entered the blazing pile, which was cool to her, happy in contact with her lord. Hearing these events, Ugrasena and Anakadundubhi, with Devaki and Rohini, committed themselves to the flames."
Vishnu Purana.V.38
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dude.....i dont have to assemble into a group to deal with you. That comment was just meant to magrokali. Dont read that if you dont like it.
Regarding "caste system" i will come after sometime.
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**No. I’m not.
I’ll
show you the authenticity of your “wabsites”.
Right.
It has an audio-aid for listening to Purana…thats all. Where does
it say anything ?
Lahori Logicum, that is a CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC WEBSITE.
Now we all know that you dont have a brain, but I guess you dont have
eyes either.
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And in that sense they are of the same class as the Itihas.
All the Puranas belong to the class of Suhrit-Sammitas, or the
Friendly Treatises, while the Vedas are called the *Prabhu-Sammitas
or the Commanding Treatises with great authority.
Now do you get it ?
So ?
This is the NONSENSE that I was
refering to, that routinely appears in the Shiva Puranas and Brahma
Puranas.
Another example:
If you read my earlier post where I quoted a Hindu scholar, who questioned the integrity of Puranas, he mentioned Purnas suggesting that
Lord Shiva created Lord Vishnu which is absurd. The Destroyer creating the Creator ??? Ask any Hindu and he’ll say this is absurd.
Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh are all equal parts of ParaBrahma.
Similarly the Puranas mention the contradictory ways in which goddess Saraswathi was “born”.
Now you know.
Bhagavad Puran may or may not contain the some of the prose like that
of the skanda and Brahma puranas. **
** Authentic Hindu websites ? A Roman Catholic site, and the rest
commercial websites marketing everything from ManuSmriti to Skanda
Puramna as Hindu religious text ?
Have a look at JUST TWO of your sites:
Become a hawker of CDs and sell seminars here:
http://www.thevedicfoundation.org/about_us/volunteer.htm
Shop for CDs and books here (Mail within 5 days):
http://www.hinduism.8k.com/smritis.html
So you see Lahori, you have gleefully quoted COMMERCIAL MARKETING sites and not “authentic” Hindu sites.
Puranas are ALSO regarded by other Hindu Scholars (like the ones I
quoted) to be without integrity and with many contradictions.
You yourself quoted a site that says that Puranas have less authority.
Puranas have to be taken with a pinch of salt. No doubt, they give us Yoga, Ayurvedas, detailed treatises on astronomy and ideas of the irrelevance of space and time, but their absurdities and contradictions have to be filtered out.
It is for this reason (quoted by Lahore420 himself) that the Puranas can never be of the same status as the Vedas, the epics and the Upanishads.
A Pakistani (descendent from Arabia) teaching 840 million Hindus that the Ramayana and Mahabharata is not your sacred book. Great. I’m looking forward for more.
I think you are Sita Agrawal’s husband, and a trustee member of dalitstan.org.
Why dont you change your username to Lahori_Agrawal_420 ?
Either you’re lying or those expat Hindus dont know anything.
Likewise there are so many muslims here, who dont know the history of prophet Mohammad or even heard of Hadith.
Mr. Lahori, millions of Hindu school students in India are taught daily in their schools, by their History text-books, that the ManuSmriti was publicly burnt by Dr. Ambedkar, because it was a racist and casteist book.
Millions of us are taught in our schools that books like the ManuSmriti have no place in Hinduism and that is why it was burnt by Dr. Ambedkar (a dalit convert to Buddhism).
And here you come quoting 2nd rate “authentic” Hindu websites…
You answer this question : What is greater–millions of Indian Hindu History texts, or the 4-5 websites that you quote?
Mr. Lahori, the Bhagawad Gita was revealed by Lord Krishna/ParaBrahma and was narrated by Veda Vyasa to his assistant Lord Ganesha, who wrote it down.
Happy now ?
If you are indeed happy by this reply, then you should now know that the laws of Arabia dont apply here.
Toh maamu when did I say English or Zulu is a language of Arabia ?
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Nice try Lahore, but this isnt SATI-Pratha. If you think this is Sati and have links with Hinduism’s epics then i afraid you are in deep illusion. Only scrolling google and reading some epics wont help you understanding Hinduism and its practices. If it was so easy then there would’nt have been so many threads regarding this relegion in THIS SINGLE SITE .
The answer of your above message is:
the immolation or desire of self immolation is not regarded as a custom in the Mahabharata and as such the word ‘sati’ as a custom never occurs in the epic as compared to other customs such as the Rajasuya yagna. Rather, the instances are viewed as an expression of extreme grief on the loss of a beloved one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice
Look you also wont find Sati linked to Mughals on the net. I guess there will be no information which can show their direct proportionals. We dont and never wanted to disrespect and change Indian Mughal ‘known’ history publically to the world, whatever they’ve given to this nation and its people we have praised it and accepted it and this may regarded as our weakness.
Dont take me wrong but the problem with you is that u see urself as the superior one, M amazed that you being a muslim have pretty good knowledge of other relegions too, thats great else so many muslims i’ve seen got struck in this old saying “mullah ki daud masjid tak”. I think there is a difference in saying and in telling. I must tell
weakness is temporarily
I hope u ‘get’ my message, i appreciate your interest.
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Nice reply Chander.
I will add to that. Look in a typical fairytale or a movie, often the girlfriend/boyfriend wants to commit suicide when he/she finds that the other has now died. “Is duniya mein reh kar kya karun ?”
That doesnt mean that the Moral of the Story is that : If your loved one dies, die after him.
It only depicts their great love for their spouse–thats all.
I have pointed out from the Vedas that it is a sin to commit suicide.
But Krishna’s wives loved him so much that they preferred to go with him after death.
Lahori will simply say “Look, look, this means that your scriptures justify sati”.
Anyway, as I pointed out earlier the Vishnu Purana is NOT of the level of Vedas, the epics and Upanishads. They are of a far lower level.
No. He simply googles and quotes and forms his own interpretations. I dont think he has any knowledge whatsoever.
What else can I say about ManuSmriti and the other Smritis ?
Puranas are already in a lower hierarchy than Vedas and Epics.
The Hindu scholar I quoted gave examples from the Puran (which I reproduced), and said that Puranas are without integrity.
No. Your interpretation is not right.
Because it is. If its not, then it has been sourced from Sita Agrawal and dalitstan.org.
** This is what another Hindu scholar from about.com has to say about the ManuSmriti :**
“Present-day scholars have criticized the work significantly. The rigidity in the caste system and the contemptible attitude towards women are not acceptable today. The almost divine reverence shown to the Brahmin caste and the despicable attitude towards the ‘Sudras’ (the lowest caste) is objectionable.”
http://hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/aa051303a.htm
**Lahori, that is an authentic and world-famous Hindu website and an authentic and popular Hindu scholar.
Here is another one from an authentic Hindu website and an authentic popular Hindu scholar **(posting for the second time):
The next two are quoted from an expert in Hinduism Brahmachari
Shrutichaitanya, an expert on Hinduism at About.com. This is what he
had to say to a question:
1] I came across lines in the shiv purana that implied that Shiva
created Vishnu. This is obviously not compatible with shrimad
bhagvatam.
2]** Puranas are nothing but religious novels. It would be vain to
look for integrity among the puranas. There are many things among
puranas which do not tally.** Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma are symbols of
the One Supreme God. Stories about their creation vary very much and
it is best to ignore these stories and concentrate on the core
teachings contained in the Upanishads.
Courtesy of Shrutichaitanya–Top Hinduism expert on About.com.
http://experts.about.com/q/Hindus-946/Puranas.htm
Lord Ram ate jhootha fruit from the hands of an old beggarly untouchable. Lord Krishna was a great friend of Sudama, who was very poor although a scholar.
This proves that our Gods treated all men and women alike and there is no place for untouchability in Indian society.
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this is a good explanation of manu smirit
The Manusmriti is also condemned as highly anti-feminist.
IX – 3 . “Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband protects (her) in youth and her sons protect (her) in old age; a woman is never fit for independence.”
IX – 18. “Women have no business with the text of the veda.”
IX - 17. “(When creating them) Manu allotted to women (a love of their) bed, (of their) seat and (of) ornament, impure desires, wrath, dishonesty, malice, and bad conduct.”
One common defence of these passages is that they are being quoted out of context (though the context would have to be shown to alter their meaning if this defence were to be sustained). It is also notable that Hinduism, unlike the Christian Churches, does not have a highly organized ordained hierarchy of clergy (there is no centralized religious figure like the Pope, though there are many Acharya-s, Baba-s and Guru-s with limited following). A counter-criticism from this website condemns the British colonialists to have made the world to regard the Manu Smriti as the supreme law book of the Hindus, so that they could ridicule the Hindu dharma and denigrate those of Indian origin.
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lemme answer it......sati-pratha came into existance in mughal invation .................................. thats why we hate these f*ing mughals so much.
This should win the funniest post say the whole month?
So why Auregngzeb Banned Sati which hindus DID NOT like and hated him!?
I say previous Mughal rulers should have banned this inhuman and evil practice but perhaps they wanted to keep RELIGIOUS freedom.
You are just full of it dude!
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I think mods should move that post to the jokes section.
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What chander_kills has said is not entirely inaccurate.
Though sati existed somewhat in some form or the other before the Mughals/Muslim invaders, it became very common after the arrival of Muslim invaders.
The women, upon learning that their husbands have died in battle and that the battle is lost, preffered to commit suicide rather than get captured by Muslim invaders.
During partition, many women used to commit suicide for the same reason.
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OK, so now we have who someone who is at least admitting that the practice was BEFORE mughals.
Mughals were minority compared to hindus in their army and the story about alleged mistreatment by Mughal army is either false or insinuate hindus themselves mistreating women.
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Mughal invation resulted downfall of the liberty given to vedic people by the local admonistartions (panchyats and brahmans).
Mughal rulers dint considered vedic relegion and culture anymore. They used to invade small villages, rape the girls and women and kill the innocents. These people werent so powerful to fight with them as their philosophies dint match with the mughals either.
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Mughals were not rapists. Often hindus confuse rape with the practice of keeping women captured in war as slaves, which are considered al-anfal. This was a social contract to protect the women in which the the man was obligated to provide for her in return for sexual rights over her body, consented or not.
Of course hindoos tend to obfuscate history to make themselves a victim of sorts, ignoring the social needs for such a practice, and appealing to emotions instead of logic, similar to women.
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Answer this question : If any female from your family is captured and al-anfal is practiced on her by Arabian warlords, would you justify it ?
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No bhai.. they will be very pleased to accept these women because they have been touched by the all mighty people of Arabia..:)
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most exist among high caste of rajputs it has never been practised in south or bengal
http://www.csuchico.edu/~cheinz/syllabi/asst001/spring99/parrilla/parr1.htm
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^Can anyone really condemn this barbaric practice?
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this has been condemned, banned and even many sadhus and sadhvis severly critisized this practice. To attain salvation, a man has to work on his own. There is no other means to attain salvation.
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Sorry guys for being late. I was busy somewhere else. I’ll reply to this thread soon.
I guess I am badly needed here 
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I told you many times, do not drag Islam here. STICK TO THE TOPIC 