What has Hinduism given to the world?

Good article on what others can learn from the Indian experience.

http://www.voice-online.co.uk/content.php?show=8763

WE ALL NEED INDIAN LESSONS
BY Tony Sewell

George Bush has anointed India as his most favoured nation. He has even ignored the fact that they have nuclear bombs and are taking American jobs.
In the 21st century, every sixth human being will be Indian. India is very close to becoming the second largest consumer market in the world, with a buying middle class numbering over half a billion. The Indian economy is already the fourth largest in terms of purchasing power. It is in the top ten in overall GDP. The world’s largest democracy is a nuclear power.

COMMON
Yet at least 200 million Indians remain desperately poor, illiteracy rates are high, communal violence is widespread and corruption is endemic. Brides are still tortured and burnt for dowries, female infanticide is common and the caste system has lost little of its power and none of its brutality.

So with all these contradictions, why is India flavour of the month for the White House? For me its because the Hindu religion has given India a unifying framework but also a great deal of freedom – something, at least superficially, close to Americans’ hearts. What other religion around the world throws in a guide book about really interesting sexual positions?

**
What Hinduism has given to Indians is a wonderful contradiction, the ability to belong and not to belong to the world. I always felt that much of the spirituality that the Beatles got into in the 60s was just a bit of Indian myth-making. They are a pragmatic people.

I remember a trip I took to the source of the holy river Ganga – there was a group of men looking deeply and spiritually into the water – then suddenly like birds they would dive in. This was no ritual, they were simply going after the coins on the riverbed.

Unlike Christianity or Islam, there is no notion of ultimate sin in Hinduism. What I love is how they are able to harness their Gods and make use of them for their own ends.

Indians have never been, and will never be, ‘other-worldly’. They hanker for the material goods that this world has to offer, and look up to the wealthy and more powerful.

Hindusim has some wonderful psychological props to give those of us born out of the madness of colonialism. The British, and before them the Moghuls and the Turks, must have wondered why it was so easy to rule a people with such a strong history.
**

STRATEGY
The answer is that the Indians were just playing them. Hindu culture is no easy ride for would-be colonialists. It regarded all foreigners as ‘mleccha’, unclean.

The practical Indian mind would collude with the more stronger power. They wouldn’t try and fight it out when the odds were against them, the best strategy was to absorb the enemy.

Those Indian elites who compromised with the British knew that soon their time would come.

No one can accuse Indians of crass consumerism like America, where religion is just a comfort zone for hating ‘other’ people. Indians have managed to survive endless invaders by their ability to compromise and adapt while their Hindu culture and civilisation remained intact.

I have visited India several times and I found their caste system baffling. They associate dark skin with the negative, and no black southern Indian girl will ever win Miss India.

That said, most of the caste hierarchy is based on status and family What is even more interesting is that many Indians in Britain also have African roots. My neighbour had to admit that he had never visited India and was, in all intense and purposes, a son of Kenya.

Bush can see a spirit in Indians that he can’t argue with; he is the world emperor who wants India. The Indians appear to have laid down in acquiescence: America is now another opportunity, just like the British had been.

In the same week that George Bush was blessing India, Chris Patten, the chancellor of Oxford University, was also in India busy recruiting students. Indian students have been going to American and Australian campuses and not to Oxbridge.

They have shown that ‘talented people’ can be a bigger asset than oil in world trade. There are lessons here for Africa and the Caribbean when comes to modernising their education systems.

**
For those of us brought up on Christianity and Islam, we may need to be less reliant on fatalism and like our Hindu neighbours, start bribing the Gods to work in our favour.

**
Published: 17 March 2006
Issue: 1209

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

NJ

All you do it post controversial, provoking and colliding topics and then run away.

This topic can lead to fight and you know it very well. :hoonh:

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

yeah I agree with lahore 981. hinduism has given this world yoga and ayurvedic is it fine now moderators can we now close this thread

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

surely the guy has a right to free speech..let him speak i say!

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

^ Okay, I am really not interested in what Hinduism has to offer. Because I am NOT impressed by it at all. Nothing impresses my in it. But since this guy NJ has posted an article which talks about Islamand Christianity here, I will pass some comments, directed ONLY at the text made bold by this guy NJ…

This is the first GROSS mistake. The concept of original sin is only present in Christianity and NOT IN ISLAM…
Tha author of the article is completely ignorant of this fact and this indicates the ignorance of his comparison made between Hinduism and other faiths…

Absolutely right description of Hinduistic theology.
But the author looks even stupid in saying all this because this is a contradiction of their own faith. This contradicts ANY existance of GOD or gODS.
Please see the following verses from their books…

“…Of that God you cannot make any images.”
Yajur Veda 3:32

“God is formless and bodiless”
Yajur Veda 32:3

“All those who worship the uncreated things, they are in
darkness, and you’ll enter more into darkness if you worship the created things.”
Yajur Veda 40:8

“All Praise are to Him alone”
Rig Veda
Vol.8,1:1

“There is only One God, worship Him.”
**Rig Veda **
Vol.6,45:16

**1) This has nothing to do with ANY strength of Hinduism. **

This has to do with the strength of the teachings of Islam (and of Christianity NOW), the lessons of equality of all people (abolishment of the social caste system), social justice, the strong message it propagated.

This has to do with acknowledgement that Hindus were a disorganized nation, divided among themselves.

2) The author is again wrong to specifically call “those born out of the madness of colinialism”… India and Indian were also born out of BRITISH COLINIALISM… what an ignorant person who wrote this article and the one who made it bold…

3) What strong history is he talking about?

No comments for this :halo:

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

^ that's quite funny, a Hindu hater such as lahore quoting the Vedas! may be hedging bets a bit here?

I can point to thousands of similar contraditions in Hinduism. You will begin to understand those things only when you learn to think outside of your unitary system. If you are a Hindu, you are not TAUGHT one single idea about anything. You learn and create your own set of Gods and beliefs. For example, for many Muslims, Islam is what is defined in Koran. For Hindus, there is no such single book that defines and bounds religion or God(s).

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

Bombay bhai,
I am talking in reference to the article. Look at what the article says, then comment on my remarks. :naraz:

Since when quoting Vedas became a sign of Hindu hating ???

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

I heard from various Hindu-scholars that "Vedas" are the most High books in Hinduism, therefore other "minor" books are irrelevent to it.

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

When you misuse it to make dumb cookie points out of ignorance.

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

Which Hindu scholar told you what other ‘minor’ books are irrelevant? :rotfl:

Do you even know how many different schools of Vedas exist? Veda simply means knowledge. (which probably explains why Indians are in general so much smarter).

Anyway, find a good Guru.

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

With all due respect, what was quoted sounded definitive and authoritative in tone, and was quite unambiguous. Any opposing view seemingly falls in the realm of contradiction, not necessarily alternate narration. To those of us on the outside, what you suggest comes off as turning a deaf ear to incoherence.

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

You are right. Vedas are the most revered books of Hinduism. Don’t fall a pray to The Curmudgeon’s mocking.

Once again I ask you to go back and read the article. Looks like you did not read it carefully and right away took my comments in a defensive mood.

What you are saying here is completely opposite to what I replied to in “Quotations”

Read the article once again… :naraz:

PLUS: For your information, I am directly talking and quoting VEDAS. I am not talking about any “Vedas school of thought”.

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

Hi Lahore XYZ..., we have discussed on this earlier. Your knowledge (whatever extent) of vedas is impressive coz I can bet most Hindus ae simply unaware...including 99% of all Brahmins. I have no clue who decides which book is supreme for Hindus coz there is no such supreme authority for Hindus. I have wondered if that is a good thing or a bad thing for Hindus.

Each community in India has a different interpretation of Hinduism and it works very well for us....yeah the caste problems do exist to varying degrees across India...most of us Hindus who feel bad are only hoping that it will get better (not doing much).
No comments on other religions

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

it was that Sri Sri Ravishankar guy - go educate him then

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

It is generally agreed that not only Quran, all other religious book such as Bible, Vedas, Upanishad also describe an immovable earth. Here are a few texts from Bible:

I Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm…”

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable…”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”

“Sabita made this Earth fixed by different devices (like hills and mountains) and sustains sky without pillars so that it does not move” [RIK VEDA]

“And among His Signs is that the sky and the Earth stand by His Command….” Ar-Rum(30:25)]

So the ancient books like the Quran, the Bible, the Gita, and the Vedas etc. which are written by ancient people are not free from scientific misconceptions, flaws and contradictions.

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

List a contradiction or scientific flaw from Quran.

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

Well here NJ did it again..bravo! Hope to see you again in this thread before it gets closed!

I took this article in a different way. Even though NJ thinks the article is praising hindus..actually the writer is mocking at hindus by making an argument that hidus are;

1- stuck with materialism.
2- lack spiritualism.
3-lack passion in their faith.
4- readily willing to change their views according to the will of their masters.
5- racist and bigots.
6-Confused about themselves...[They appreciated and agreed to 'wonderful contradictions'........colonialism (Brits) communism (russia) and now captalism...but never their own pure theology since it gave them dark age mentality]
7- They don't believe in sin so everything goes policy. (No ultimate sin)
8-etc.

So what should the meaning of hindu be? I ask the thread starter or anyone on this forum based on the article.

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

what do you expect just sit around meditate ?go back to 1000 years may be we will if we run out mid-east oil.

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

@ Itsme01
Bro just ------> :blush:

@Deedawar
You have definitly read the article and your conclusion is ABSOLUTELY correct. I don’t know why these people are becoming defensive and acting this way with unrelated comments. :blush:

Re: What has Hinduism given to the world?

Okay rvikz, it is your turn to be replied.
I do not know how your reply fits into the topic but here is my rebuttal for your post. READ it carefully buddy… where is the criminal website from where you read this amalgamating piece of ill researched information about ALL three religions…

Whosoever wrote this piece of information is so illetrate. He has not supported anything with proper references. A lot of self contradiction.

You failed rvikz. This tells what Hinduism has given to mankind.