What does "khocha" means?

[KKF]

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Meray bhai may ney apology ka kya karna hey? I just corrected your grammer. Its pashto langauge , not pathani langauge. Ainda sey proper word use karo, achay lago gey

lol...maiN to pahle se hii achchhaa huN...yeh merii biased opinion hai. :D

[Mezhgan]

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@marwati Personally, I’ve never heard either word (“khocha” or “pathan/pathani”) used by Pashtuns back home or here. I’m under the impression that both words are a strictly subcontinent thing.

[marwati]

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thanx for the history lesson. i appreciated it...thank you :)

Kahan sey taluq he bhai?

[KKF]

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Kahan sey taluq he bhai?

meraa ta'alluq Allahabad, Lucknow aur AligaRh [UP, India] se hai. :)

[marwati]

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^Personally, I've never heard either word ("khocha" or "pathan/pathani") used by Pashtuns. I'm under the impression that both words are a subcontinent thing.

I was also puzzled that what the hell is khocha wocha. But it seems it is word of U.P-Bihar region where birth of urdu langauge took place. Either some pashto word has corrupted or degenerated into khocha over the course of three centuries or indian pathans have invented the word for themeselves.Pathan/pathani is also indian thing. Slowly and gradually some punjabi/sindhi/mohajir people are now using proper word pashtun instead of indian pathan/pathani. You have to understand that our indo-iranian cultures are very different from their indic/desi ones, forexample i am finding this word "pathani" very offensive for our pashtun/afghan females but for them it is normal word. Even though i have told @KKF not to use crude word pathani but i am sure he would continue using it, as this word is used in their part of world and they grew up listening to it.

[marwati]

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meraa ta'alluq Allahabad, Lucknow aur AligaRh [UP, India] se hai. :)

Lagta hey pathano sey tumari nahi lagti. Ansari ho ya shiekh?

[Ali_Syed]

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@marwati

I was also puzzled that what the hell is khocha wocha. But it seems it is word of U.P-Bihar region where birth of urdu langauge took place. Either some pashto word has corrupted or degenerated into khocha over the course of three centuries or indian pathans have invented the word for themeselves.Pathan/pathani is also indian thing. Slowly and gradually some punjabi/sindhi/mohajir people are now using proper word pashtun instead of indian pathan/pathani. You have to understand that our indo-iranian cultures are very different from their indic/desi ones, forexample i am finding this word “pathani” very offensive for our pashtun/afghan females but for them it is normal word. Even though i have told @KKF not to use crude word pathani but i am sure he would continue using it, as this word is used in their part of world and they grew up listening to it.

I think with the passage of time I believe that Pakistani Punjabi and Sindhis are coming to the realization that the word Pathan is not correct. It makes sense Pashtun from Pashto, Pakhtun from Pakhto…

[KKF]

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@marwati

I was also puzzled that what the hell is khocha wocha. But it seems it is word of U.P-Bihar region where birth of urdu langauge took place. Either some pashto word has corrupted or degenerated into khocha over the course of three centuries or indian pathans have invented the word for themeselves.Pathan/pathani is also indian thing. Slowly and gradually some punjabi/sindhi/mohajir people are now using proper word pashtun instead of indian pathan/pathani. You have to understand that our indo-iranian cultures are very different from their indic/desi ones, forexample i am finding this word “pathani” very offensive for our pashtun/afghan females but for them it is normal word. Even though i have told @KKF not to use crude word pathani but i am sure he would continue using it, as this word is used in their part of world and they grew up listening to it.

i agree…i promise i will not use this word and i will educate others about this.

btw, i meant no insults the usage wasn’t in malice.

[KKF]

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Lagta hey pathano sey tumari nahi lagti. Ansari ho ya shiekh?

are nahiiN...aisii koii baat nahiiN hai...we didn't have any interaction with them except the cafe' encounters.

i do NOT believe in castes etc. i am a Muslim alHamdolillah...to answer your question, a lot of people say we are shaiKhs...

what Iqbal said is true:
**
yuN to saiyad bhii ho, mirzaa bhii ho, afGhaan bhii ho
tum sabhii kuchh ho, bataao k musalmaan bhii ho?**

we are all just Muslims.

[marwati]

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@Ali_Syed

I think with the passage of time I believe that Pakistani Punjabi and Sindhis are coming to the realization that the word Pathan is not correct. It makes sense Pashtun from Pashto, Pakhtun from Pakhto…

It might be even a very derogatory word. This guy is saying that pathan means kidnapper of daughter.http://www.paklinks.com/gs/general/88-pathan-pakhtun-pashtun-explained.htmlHe is right that negative stereotype about pathans t is prevalent in punjab that we kidnapp kids. Now i wonder from where this stereotype has originated?. I read some urdu children stories in childhood in a pathan kidnaps kid in bori and sell him to some slave labour. If pashtuns were really into this business, why most of the chowkidaars of the houses are pashtuns?. A pashtun in lahore told me that he was felt very offended when the mother of his friend told her younger sons not to lurk around the pathan.

[Ali_Syed]

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@marwati

It might be even a very derogatory word. This guy is saying that pathan means kidnapper of daughter.http://www.paklinks.com/gs/general/88-pathan-pakhtun-pashtun-explained.htmlHe is right that negative stereotype about pathans t is prevalent in punjab that we kidnapp kids. Now i wonder from where this stereotype has originated?. I read some urdu children stories in childhood in a pathan kidnaps kid in bori and sell him to some slave labour. If pashtuns were really into this business, why most of the chowkidaars of the houses are pashtuns?. A pashtun in lahore told me that he was felt very offended when the mother of his friend told her younger sons not to lurk around the pathan.

I have heard these stereotypes in my childhood. Not so common nowadays. The people used to stereotype people from FATA, which until recently used to be called allaqa e ghair.

[marwati]

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are nahiiN...aisii koii baat nahiiN hai...we didn't have any interaction with them except the cafe' encounters.i do NOT believe in castes etc. i am a Muslim alHamdolillah...to answer your question, a lot of people say we are shaiKhs...what Iqbal said is true:yuN to saiyad bhii ho, mirzaa bhii ho, afGhaan bhii hotum sabhii kuchh ho, bataao k musalmaan bhii ho?we are all just Muslims.

Wo bhai shairi na jaarr. Pathano key barey may stereotyping tou barey shauq sey kartey ho aur jub sawal poocha tou lag gaye falsafay jarrnay. Jo pocha hey uska jawab dou. Talk to me like a "pathan", straight forward langauge, mirza ghalib banay ki zarorat nahi

[KKF]

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Wo bhai shairi na jaarr. Pathano key barey may stereotyping tou barey shauq sey kartey ho aur jub sawal poocha tou lag gaye falsafay jarrnay. Jo pocha hey uska jawab dou. Talk to me like a "pathan", straight forward langauge, mirza ghalib banay ki zarorat nahi

de to diyaa jawaab...Ghaur se paRheN meraa jawaab pichhli post meN. :)

[marwati]

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de to diyaa jawaab...Ghaur se paRheN meraa jawaab pichhli post meN. :)

Ye batao key ye indian muslims may caste system ka kya chakar hey? I told you whether you are qureshi or ansari , you got defensive and declared that you dont believe in caste system. Now what has qureshi, pathan, ansari etc has any thing to do with caste system? Qureshi is an identity, it tells your origin. Thats what Quran says that we have created into male and female, and into qaum and qabila for purpose of identity. Now why a person of quresh tribe or pashtun tribe has become "caste" in india on pattren of hindus. Bareilwi, pathan and indian would be identities. If some one ask your identity, you always come with weird "i-dont-believe-in-castes" response?.

[TLK]

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. This khocha wocha is their thing, like soodkhori. I also read some where that urduspeakers of karachi have introduced pathan jokes into pakistan, so it makes sense that khocha wocha terminology has come along with them.

I believe you are right. This might be it.

[KKF]

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well, i wasn't defensive! i told you what i believe in...i think caste system is less prevalent among Indian Muslims. we hardly go by caste system. what Islam talks about qaum and qabila is for identification purpose only. we have used this to divide ourselves, divide the Muslim Ummah and top declare superiority of one over the other. my identity is a Muslim one and i do not honestly believe in zaat paat.

you are trying to enforce your ideas on me...everyone on GS knows that i am totally against it...it's not something new...i do not believe in caste system...period! :)

[muqawwee123]

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@marwati

@TLK that aryan_sponkai guy has also got it wrong. He thinks khocha might means ‘bring me water’. Lol
I think members here right that it might means “yara” or some thing like that.
The closest word to khocha that exists in pashto is “khuchay” whichs mean bat, chimgadar in one of the dialect. Obviously it doesnt fit into urdu’s khocha tied with pathans. Another word is kochi which is for pashtun nomads, that also dont fit.

Interesting. I might be wrong, but may be someone had referred Pathan Chokidars (probably first and common profession Pathan people adapted when they moved from their areas) as bat / chimgadaR (due to night duty) and then this got popular reference for Pathan. Just a guess and no offense intended.

Once this Partner (Memon) in our firm passed offending remarks to me and a Pathan lady trainee.

When he asked me about my home town, he came up ‘udhar to daku’ hote hain. I replied ‘mobile to yahan ziada chhinte hain aur boriyon se lashen bhi idhar hi milti hain’. He was taken back ’ ae yaar. main to mazaq kar raha tha’.

To Pathan lady, he said ‘tum pathan log to cycles pe kapRa bechte ho.. yahan kaise?’. She replied ‘Boulton market main Memonon ki kapRe ki dukanen hain. aap yahan kaise?’

[muqawwee123]

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khocha is slang for pashtun, like bhai saab for urdu speaking, saeen for sindhi

Saen has never been slang in Sindhi, as its used for most respected person and with Allah and Prophets as well. Allah Sain, Nabi Sain, Baba Sain, teacher is simply (Sain = Sir)

[Sheeda_Pistol_1]

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"khocha" is not a pushto word and it DOES NOT mean yaar or yara etc. Infact for yaar or larka they use the workd "Laka".

one of my pushtun buddies who hails from swat region said khocha is basturd form of khar (Khota in pushto) and is an urdu/punjabi word.

[marwati]

Re: What does "khocha" means?

"khocha" is not a pushto word and it DOES NOT mean yaar or yara etc. Infact for yaar or larka they use the workd "Laka".one of my pushtun buddies who hails from swat region said khocha is basturd form of khar (Khota in pushto) and is an urdu/punjabi word.

Interesting theories are surfacing. Khota/khotay (with kheen) means scrotum in pashto. In slang langauge it is used for namoona type person , as insult, "you are just a khota". May be khocha is degeneration of word khota.