What comes first ......?

[infiniti]

Re: What comes first ......?

@sherafghan

Nobody can scientifically prove what happens after death. And no one can scientifically prove religion either. You know it too, so there's no point in bringing that up.

*You say that your country is giving you something is this life, and according to my beliefs I will eterenally live in Paradise that is IF I DIE AS A MUSLIM. *

Its not my belief, my country does give me somthing in return for my sacrifice.
It's a fact.

[infiniti]

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@yo_wasim

Who created India, or India created on its own. Will you believe me that I have gone to Paradise, I can tell you whats there in the Paradise will you prove me. Pakistan is just a name, who created the land thousands of years ago that it will be called as Pakistan today.

You are again evading the questions.Who created Pakistan, God or Jinnah?

India was never a country, it became a country only after British occupation.

[infiniti]

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@yo_wasim

Who created India, or India created on its own. Will you believe me that I have gone to Paradise, I can tell you whats there in the Paradise will you prove me. Pakistan is just a name, who created the land thousands of years ago that it will be called as Pakistan today.

No, unless you give me a convincing proof.

[ssingh]

Re: What comes first ......?

@yo_wasim

ssingh i want an answer, if you can provide me with one Thanks in advance for such courteous deed. If you cant no probs. Just chill.

c'mon, i told directly what i felt as right. me chilling or becoming angry has got nothing to do with this. even captain acknowledged it as right and you acknowledged it with hesitation.

[infiniti]

Re: What comes first ......?

@infiniti

No it wont promise you heaven, it does not have to.

*Coz love of the country is not driven by the love of paradise. *

Where's the love if the country has to promise you heaven in return for your love for the country.

You still evaded this post.

[infiniti]

Re: What comes first ......?

@yo_wasim

Thank you very much. where is morally depraved its deleted. Anyways it happens jawaani mein bhi log satyajate hain. One eg is YOU. What is the country bargaining with me, ofcourse not. In that case we have someone ruling the country who are morally de---- then I am, but you turn a blind eye towards them.

You did not make any sense at all. Please rephrase.

[ssingh]

Re: What comes first ......?

@infiniti

No, unless you give me a convincing proof.

arey infiniti....see these things are some thing to be realized, i mean religious things, nobody can give any convincing proof whatsoever. It is something which can only be realized, not anyone telling. So no point in talking.

[infiniti]

Re: What comes first ......?

@ssingh

arey infiniti....see these things are some thing to be realized, i mean religious things, nobody can give any convincing proof whatsoever. It is something which can only be realized, not anyone telling. So no point in talking.

I know that very well, but how can you put the country below religion just because country does not promise you heaven. Atleast it gave you something even before you started loving your country. It gives you respect, it gives you life even after you die, e.g. Mahatma Gandhi.

I have a strong feeling this thread will be deleted in a couple of days.

[system]

Re: What comes first ......?

@infiniti

I know that very well, but how can you put the country below religion just because country does not promise you heaven. Atleast it gave you something even before you started loving your country. It gives you respect, it gives you life even after you die, e.g. Mahatma Gandhi.

I have a strong feeling this thread will be deleted in a couple of days.

huh? Your country gives you life?
So according to Islamic terminology, you have taken your country to be god.

[infiniti]

Re: What comes first ......?

@sherafghan

huh? Your country gives you life? So according to Islamic terminology, you have taken your country to be god.

But I do not believe in Islamic terminology, nor do I give more importance to beliefs than facts.

[ssingh]

Re: What comes first ......?

@infiniti

I know that very well, but how can you put the country below religion just because country does not promise you heaven. Atleast it gave you something even before you started loving your country. It gives you respect, it gives you life even after you die, e.g. Mahatma Gandhi.

I have a strong feeling this thread will be deleted in a couple of days.

First of all, i dont think this thread will be deleted....

let anyone believe what they want to believe. Nothing to be ashamed or feel threatened. I will say only one thing. Do research of any religion on your own, never ask anyone else. if you are a jain, ask a jain, but want to know about any other faith, do your own research, but never ask anyone else. coz that's the reality today, whether you like it or not.

[ssingh]

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^ why i said this because everytime somebody somehow(particularly proselytizing religions) ends up preaching not just thier religion but also our own (as if they know more than anyone else). not just here, but everywhere!...

[Terrible_Guy]

Re: What comes first ......?

@tahirbhai

Country or religion ?

For me its country, some might say i am wrong ? But thats what I am. I feel its more practical in this politicised world. If this was not so, OIC would have been one country !!!!! What's your opinion ?

Religion all the way. As for the comparisons between between family, religion country, for me it would go like this:

Religion>Family>Country

[hollowman]

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@Terrible Guy

Religion all the way. As for the comparisons between between family, religion country, for me it would go like this:

Religion>Family>Country

but what if choices were between Religion, Family, Country & Humanity ???

[Terrible_Guy]

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@hollowman

but what if choices were between Religion, Family, Country & Humanity ???

What exactly do you mean by humanity?

[hollowman]

Re: What comes first ......?

@Terrible Guy

What exactly do you mean by humanity?

According to me if a Human being kills or beat a innocent Animal that is also against Humanity.

[Light_Bearer]

Re: What comes first ......?

@sherafghan

Secondly, how can you be so sure that Mother Teresa didn't do her good deeds for getting into heaven? Do you know what her intentions were or what exactly was in her heart? You are just assuming what her intentions were based on her actions. Hypothetically speaking her intentions could have been good or bad regardless of her actions. Maybe she did her good deeds so that she would leave behind a legacy (ie. selfishness) or maybe she did the good deeds to actually help out the people. We can't judge anyone's intentions.

Sheru, Think about it what you have just said is right for each and every religious person ever born in this world. I mean how can anybody prove anything at all.

[system]

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@Light Bearer

Sheru, Think about it what you have just said is right for each and every religious person ever born in this world. I mean how can anybody prove anything at all.

I know what I said. Someone else said that Mother Teresa didn't do her good deeds to get into heaven. I was just pointing out that one can't go around guessing people's intentions (niyyah / niyyat).
Just stick to what is apparent, their actions (amaal).

[ssingh]

Re: What comes first ......?

@sherafghan

Secondly, how can you be so sure that Mother Teresa didn't do her good deeds for getting into heaven? Do you know what her intentions were or what exactly was in her heart? You are just assuming what her intentions were based on her actions. Hypothetically speaking her intentions could have been good or bad regardless of her actions. Maybe she did her good deeds so that she would leave behind a legacy (ie. selfishness) or maybe she did the good deeds to actually help out the people. We can't judge anyone's intentions. If she didn't do her good deeds to get to paradise, then it doesn't matter if she ends up in paradise or hell cause that wasn't her goal to begin with.

i hate to agree with you guys on anything....particularly religious issues. But I will have to agree here. Mother teresa is eulogised a lot for what she did. she did help but it was not all unconditional help. In the end it was all about spreading and getting converts to her religion. These christian missionaries are famous for that. and these 'stupid' hindus wont realize that, if not about mother teresa atleast with other missionaries. and according to some estimates they spend something like 165 million dollars annually for missionary activities in india itself. But anyway, she still did a great job. Just in another thread we see these missionaries going to a country like afghanistan inspite of knowing the dangers involved. and I am sure they are also in Iraq.

[yo_wasim]

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@ssingh

i hate to agree with you guys on anything....particularly religious issues.

This is what we can get from you, you hate to agree, but you want us to agree on your points. Common get me more rational evidence rather than hoi polloi stuff.
Btw you have to understand that here the issue is not about Mother Teresa, but you people with such third rated ideology of God, come and argue and expect us to believe stories about you all.

Then you have no argument to base upon you start with Who comes first. Believe me its you people who get aggressive to our answers, and I have repeatedly observed this. You keep bothering us with some facts instead of being tolerant. I agree they are few black sheeps, but when you argue please do come on a common platform rather than to conclude topics with your own inference.
Yes we do believe that Someone who associates partners with God then he will go to hell. If you have a problem believing in that that, its for you to solve otherwise forget it.
**Same thing for me country cant benefit me or harm me in any way. Its only God which through his blessing I can benefit from, and its through his knowledge that i can be harmed. **
I am benefitted from God, by every means then how can I be a hypocrite and propogate that its country first for what its given to me. Tell me you are in US now aint you living healthily there. Sowhats this big hoopla.
This is a not only targeted to ssingh. Please you write what you want but see to that there is some connection with this thread.