What are the REASONS for wanting no childs or waiting more than 3 years?

Yes, you’re right! BUT THESE ARE NOT PROBLEMS. THESE ARE EXCUSES! Who tells you to live a expensive life? And how much does a kid cost? In the first 3 years? Very Funny :slight_smile:
It costs you nerves. Nothing more.

Can’t we say that people who wait for more than 3 years are on honeymoon since 3 years? Which responsibilities are you talking about? Parents? Did they moan when you were their responsibility? Did they come to GS? Ok they didn’t have GS :smiley: and that is GOOD, very very GOOD. Otherwise this board would’ve been flooded with unimportant stuff.

We are not here to judge, but C’mon those are childish excuses. The student loan office doesn’t tell you to pay the money back straight away :chai: graduating from studies. Would be fine, would give me more strength to do something, not for me, but for my child.

I want to raise my children mazbi, not wordly. I want them to be moderate, not Arrogant and SPOILED.

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I don’t want to judge, it is just my OPINION.

Couples who wait to get to know each other first before settling down for a family, they have a valid reason. BUT, All Scenarios like graduating from studies, student loan, parents, siblings etc. These are all lame ‘excuses’ in my eyes. Thank you for taking your time and reading my comment.

Share your opinion :slight_smile:

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same here^ Numb are you male or female? just asking

@ami123:

I'm male, but I sound like a female, right? :D

Hilarious :D :D :D

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yes you do lol

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Don't let us go Off-Topic :)

It is a Wonder that even a man can talk like this, right? If we'd only follow a bit of the way of our great Messenger Muhammad Mustafa (saw) we could achieve so much.

If you want to comment this post, please do it via PM.

Thank You :)

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I wonder why it's so important for people that other people procreate. . . really, is your life that boring?

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Yes, you're right! BUT THESE ARE NOT PROBLEMS. THESE ARE EXCUSES! Who tells you to live a expensive life? And how much does a kid cost? In the first 3 years? Very Funny :)
It costs you nerves. Nothing more.

Really, what city/world are you living in?? It has nothing to do with living an 'expensive' life!! I am not sure what exactly you are calling expense...a home..a car,insurances, funds, etc.. if you are saving up for your child's (not children) first 3 years..GOOD LUCK..times are getting harder.

Can't we say that people who wait for more than 3 years are on honeymoon since 3 years?
*NO!! get out of your shell..and look around. When you see couples struggling to make ends meet..do you ask them "whens the baby coming" how mazhabi of you!! *

Which responsibilities are you talking about? Parents? Did they moan when you were their responsibility?
they do advice us to plan plan plan!!! so we dont have to face the problems they did!!! so we can learn from their mistakes...not repeat them!!

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Did they come to GS? Ok they didn’t have GS :smiley: and that is GOOD, very very GOOD. Otherwise this board would’ve been flooded with unimportant stuff.

We are not here to judge,
BUT you ARE
but C’mon those are childish excuses.
YOUR opinion

The student loan office doesn’t tell you to pay the money back straight away
We dont want to pay Interest

:chai: graduating from studies. Would be fine, would give me more strength to do something, not for me, but for my child.
good for you
I want to raise my children mazbi, not wordly. I want them to be moderate, not Arrogant and SPOILED.

Numb stop looking at things as if they are black OR white
does being mazhabi teach you to look at things without perspective?? why are you even assuming that if a couple waits to have children so they can give the children and HAVE for themselves a better life…is UNMAZHABI!! your declarations a completely and utterly sans logic!!

NOTE: apparently GS wasnt letting me post it one piece :slight_smile:

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Don't let us go Off-Topic :)

It is a Wonder that even a man can talk like this, right? If we'd only follow a bit of the way of our great Messenger Muhammad Mustafa (saw) we could achieve so much.

Our Prophet Muhammad (saw) would have asked you stay out of your fellow friend's business. This is a personal decision. So before you declare someone's problems invalid..think before you speak.

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woww.....greatt replies by chanda_kh
agreed totally.....(y)

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I agree with chanda aswell.

:rotfl:

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Thanks Samra,

Numb
Firstly, I am not sure what these 'mazhabi log' call an expensive life. I am so tired of hearing this..
its one thing to live modestly in a home you own not rent...and its another thing to live below or at the poverty line...no ones asking you to buy a mansion for your family.
if these people think that living in questionable conditions, with an unplanned life..is hailed by our religion, i am not sure what book they are reading. Allah has given you a brain, reasoning, and a Book for guidance...and has urged you to use them collectively!
**Islam, ALhamudillah, is a religion for the intellectual!! It makes you think..we have had thinkers, philosophers, scientists, writers...philanthropists..economists..etc.... teach us to value our lives and the lives of people we are responsible for..so please..do not use religion when you say saving up for a better life is not mazhabi...or that you will end up with spoiled arrogant offsprings!! That happens when do you dont teach them good values, worldly and mazhabi.
Allah has given us the right to live life to the fullest...in your means. Do not mistake that for showing off extravagance.

I see that you are man, why are you using religion to preach laziness, acknowledge your responsibility as the provider, and stop making excuses. Think for the future of your family.

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Your frust ended up in a totally wrong judgement of my post

I only used once mazbi. Do you actually know what I mean by that?

If you want to discuss with me, then please in the best manner your soul can provide

(Even ami123 is confused, first she nods her head to my post and then says "exactly" chanda_kh)

Thank You

:salam:

First of all Thank You for completely misquoting my opinion. It is not your fault, though. This is a common behavior in our culture and in our failed system. Thank You once again for making me look like a donkey in the eyes of the people who are participating in this thread. May Allah lead you to the right path, though.

Do you EVEN have the slightest Idea of what I mean by mazbi or are you just judging me and my view of the world by that word mazbi? Let me clarify first what mazab means. Mazab has two meanings. The first meaning is Path and connected to that is Religion. When we investiagte the word Religion we come to the conclusion that this means Path. This is the only path which makes your life easy, enjoyable and you can live your life to the fullest. Complied with Allah and his - if you are ready to apply them - attributes.

You’re absolutely right when you say it is the business of a couple and not of a stranger. No doubt. I’m against people who BOTHER you 24/7 asking you “where is the kid, kid, kid?”. Count me in your boat when it comes to this issue. I’m same with your opinion to that.

You come with counter arguments and say that our Rasool (saw) said that it is none of our business to interfere in people’s business. That is true, but some people like your parents and the parents of your spouse have the right to know when the offspring is coming. THIS IS THEIR ABSOLUTE RIGHT! It is none of your business to answer these people angrily. You are told by the Prophet (saw) to use a mild and polite language. BUT this is where your mistake begins. Instead of saying in a harsh manner it is none of your business you could’ve said Insha’Allah soon. BUT we don’t this and the effect it takes is that people feel attacked by these kind of answers and THEN they try to put some salt on your wounds. They keep bothering you as it becomes their business now, because you were HARSH, you were angry, you come to the boards - what they don’t know, but what would happen if they knew? - and cry your poor soul and innocent soul out. You give them the opportunity to act like that. Think about it. What about if you pray for these people instead of crying around?

A marriage is not only a alliance of 2 human beings. It is more to that. To be exact, the future and survival of mankind and you cannot prevent it. Do you remember the Blog of a brother/sister who wrote predicted stuff about the latter times? Therer will be a time when a man will have 10 wives. Why is that so? People will opt for a career instead of the future and survival of mankind. People will opf for their Motto live life to the fullest. Life will become more expensive in future, will that mean couples will wait 10 years now or never ever have kids? Great solution. I applaude.

Having a job, having a apartment and money is important I know, BUT no car doesn’t mean you are not a good father or mother, having no house neither. Our Rasool (saw) said the best thing you can give your childrens is Deeni education and I see that the majority failed to understand what is meant by that. We expect each other to have the better worldy education, the better houses, the better cars, the better clothes and forget in the meantime what our real task in this world is. We have become way too materialistic. Sure you need a base to provide your kids with a good education, but if we give and give, the more they expect. If you want to wait for more than 3 years, do it, do you think I care? I only asked for the reasons. Did I commit a sin or do the people do something sinful when they ask you once in awhile where is the baby?

Mazbi means to me being humble, respectful, like brothers and sisters in arms. It means to me understanding the values of life, sharing the goods with each other, educatin each other, supporting each other. Live for Allah, not for you own. This is what Allah expects from us. It is the duty of man to provide his family with food, not the duty of a woman. Sure a woman shall educate herself, but that doesn’t mean she or both shall delay the birth of a human being.

Here is an Intellectual speaking and please don’t blame me for your own expectations of life. Expectations will show you the tongue in the END.

And please don’t tell me I preach Religion for laziness. Don’t you know that Islam encourages you to be active or are you talking about your own materialistic Religion which preaches laziness? I have tried to understand what you wrote after that, but sadly I’m not possible to. I could ask you now is my family your business? No I won’t, I don’t want to be in the boat you are sitting in after thinking twice.

I’m not judging, it is a fact, but in the end it is your business.

:wsalam:

So, you’re of the opinion that women should not go to college to study after marriage even if for some unfortunate reason they weren’t unable to finish their degree ?

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Again, I know me saying this wouldn't have much weight to it because I didn't go through it, but my wife totally freaks out each time she even thinks about pain. So if she can take a needle in her back bone and can go through this, I think most girls can :D I don't know much about doctors preferring C section because I haven't heard many people (including my gyn. friend) say that. And it's really not gross because of your position on the bed, you don't really see all that stuff coming out. One can always choose to shut their eyes. Whichever method you personally go with, just be sure to talk to the doctor about the long term benefits/side effects and the speed of recovery etc.

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:salam:

BUT this is where your mistake begins. Instead of saying in a harsh manner it is none of your business you could’ve said Insha’Allah soon. /QUOTE]

Numb I never used the phrase “it is none of your business” please dont mislead the readers.

You asked for the reasons..and when you got them..you attacked them..and called them unnecessary excuses..

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OK great..so now you admit that you didnt understand my post after several reads...
Numb I am baffled by your impractical reasoning, where you are determined to assume that people living a NORMAL life are not deeni...or God fearing...that human beings are not capable of carrying on a normal life living in a materialistic world. If the materials we own are so demonic (in your opinion) then we should all go to hell, right? In your opinion...
the people mentioned in Islamic history who were traders and merchants of worldly goods...are all evil!!

All I have is sympathies for you...because from what i see..you are fighting expectations yourself.