Do you not see despite the conflicts other sects have amongst them, they are united as one when it comes to declaring Ahmadis non-muslims and giving fatwas to kill them?.. do you really not see the hadith when He SAW said that there will be a time when my ummah will be divided into 72 sects but the 73rd will be the rightly guided? ofcourse every sect has the right to call themselves the 73rd jamaat..question is what are they doing with all the other sects? why not distinguish yourself from others and say we're the 73rd, all the rest is non-muslim.. ? when the issue of jamaat e Ahmadiyya arise, all the 72 sects are on one side while only the jamaat e Ahmadiyya is thrown outside the fold of Islam. Wah re khuda teri Qudrat. SubhanAllah.
It is heart-rending to hear people in the background cry and wail at this atrocity, but the police went ahead and erased the Kalima anyway. Inna Lillaahe wa Innna Ilaihe Rajeoon.
Pakistan ka matlab kia... La Ilaaha Illlallah. Really?
So this 2 minute clip tells everything... all the background!!! I have seen govt. demolishing Mosques for certain reasons.. and to me, there is no back ground given in this video..
Do you not see despite the conflicts other sects have amongst them, they are united as one when it comes to declaring Ahmadis non-muslims and giving fatwas to kill them?.. do you really not see the hadith when He SAW said that there will be a time when my ummah will be divided into 72 sects but the 73rd will be the rightly guided? ofcourse every sect has the right to call themselves the 73rd jamaat..question is what are they doing with all the other sects? why not distinguish yourself from others and say we're the 73rd, all the rest is non-muslim.. ? when the issue of jamaat e Ahmadiyya arise, all the 72 sects are on one side while only the jamaat e Ahmadiyya is thrown outside the fold of Islam. Wah re khuda teri Qudrat. SubhanAllah.
ya but Ahmadies are not a Sect of Islam...
If i take your logic, then all sects of Islam are against Jews, declaring them non-muslims.. does that make Jews the 73rd Sect...
Hmmm interesting debate. I feel like contributing.
In my opinion, Ahmadis are Not "non-muslims." I consider them Muslims, wholly and completely. However, I dont think that their leader is Imam Mehdi. Because Imam Mehdi is the son of 11th Imam (Imam Hasan Askari). All 12 imams are from the family of Prophet (saww)
Thats interesting... so where is the Son of Imam Hasan Askari now? If i am not wrong, its been more than 1000 years since the demise of Imam Hassan Askari, isn't it...?
Do you not see despite the conflicts other sects have amongst them, they are united as one when it comes to declaring Ahmadis non-muslims and giving fatwas to kill them?.. do you really not see the hadith when He SAW said that there will be a time when my ummah will be divided into 72 sects but the 73rd will be the rightly guided? ofcourse every sect has the right to call themselves the 73rd jamaat..question is what are they doing with all the other sects? why not distinguish yourself from others and say we're the 73rd, all the rest is non-muslim.. ? when the issue of jamaat e Ahmadiyya arise, all the 72 sects are on one side while only the jamaat e Ahmadiyya is thrown outside the fold of Islam. Wah re khuda teri Qudrat. SubhanAllah.
Peace Mr.Popat
You are only exhibiting the syndrome of all minority groups. You believe everyone is against you, but you fail to realise that everyone is also against the Nation of Islam, Bahai, and so on who also believe in the prophethood of Muhammad (SAW).
Even within the more subtle rifts there are groups that align themselves together for example the sunnis vs shi'as and vice versa. It is a lot more complicated than your self-centric model.
Thats interesting... so where is the Son of Imam Hasan Askari now? If i am not wrong, its been more than 1000 years since the demise of Imam Hassan Askari, isn't it...?
He is in ghaibat. God will lift the curtain whenever he desires, until then he will stay in concealment. It's a miracle, just like Hazrat Isa (as) was born without a father.
So this 2 minute clip tells everything... all the background!!! I have seen govt. demolishing Mosques for certain reasons.. and to me, there is no back ground given in this video..
Do you have any questions you want to ask?
If you want to see how Ahmadies live in Pakistan then best place would be to take a visit to Rabwah. You will find many examples where Kalima Tayyaba is removed from Mosque walls.
Rather then sitting behind and disaproving the athenticity of the 2 minutes clip.
He is in ghaibat. God will lift the curtain whenever he desires, until then he will stay in concealment. It's a miracle, just like Hazrat Isa (as) was born without a father.
Or you can also say if Allah can lift Hadhrat Esa (A.S) to heaven then why not son of Imam Hasan Askari?
I think it was well answered by test01. You cannot complete your Iman unless you accept All Prophets sent by Allah.
I have no authority calling anyone Non-Muslims.
Just an interesting clip which you might find interesting.
In 1953 Ulema sat to define what is Muslim? **And 22 Ulemas sat for few days but they could not agree on the definition of Muslim. **
Please Ignore the Video Heading as this does not define the discussion within.
ya but Ahmadies are not a Sect of Islam...
If i take your logic, then all sects of Islam are against Jews, declaring them non-muslims.. does that make Jews the 73rd Sect...
This is again you perception.
You are calling a person Non-Muslim who is a Muslim and calls himself a Muslim.
How does one become Muslim?
By reciting Kalima: La ilaha Illallah o Mohammad ur Rasoolullah
You may not agree as you may have your own school of thought.
^ hmmm so you believe that we are muslims? then you must also support us being allowed to perform hajj by the soudies?
your post proves the first part of my previous post that you are never willing to have a productive discourse. i just have to use the search option and i can find many many posts in which you have categorically called us non-muslims.
kafir and non-muslim are not the same thing. kufr doon-al-islam is an established phenomnon explained by many early scholars.
No, I don't believe Ahmadis are muslims because they reject the Aqeedah that is to believe in the finality of Prophet Muhammad(SAW). You've asked me yourself this question and I replied you with honesty.
You're right that Kufar and non-muslim are not always the same things.
leaving prayer is another thing and according to majority of Ulema it doesn't make a person kafir but rejecting it outright does make one kafir.
If I prove that, will you accept ahmadiyyat?
You can try but there's no chance of me accepting Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as prophet, his rude language is enough to put off any sensible person.
Do you not see despite the conflicts other sects have amongst them, they are united as one when it comes to declaring Ahmadis non-muslims and giving fatwas to kill them?.. do you really not see the hadith when He SAW said that there will be a time when my ummah will be divided into 72 sects but the 73rd will be the rightly guided? ofcourse every sect has the right to call themselves the 73rd jamaat..question is what are they doing with all the other sects? why not distinguish yourself from others and say we're the 73rd, all the rest is non-muslim.. ? when the issue of jamaat e Ahmadiyya arise, all the 72 sects are on one side while only the jamaat e Ahmadiyya is thrown outside the fold of Islam. Wah re khuda teri Qudrat. SubhanAllah.
Can you post that hadith please.
No, I don't believe Ahmadis are muslims because they reject the Aqeedah that is to believe in the finality of Prophet Muhammad(SAW). You've asked me yourself this question and I replied you with honesty. You're right that Kufar and non-muslim are not always the same things. Rejecting prayer is another thing and according to majority of Ulema it doesn't make a person kafir but fasiq.
You can try but there's no chance of me accepting Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as prophet, his rude language is enough to put off any sensible person.
I guess you have been visiting a lot Anti-Ahmadi websites. My great Grand father accepted Promissed Messiah (A.S) just by reading his books.
I ll suggest try reading a book. Sometimes reading a whole things tells the full story then few bits and pieces taken from here and there.
I guess you have been visiting a lot Anti-Ahmadi websites. My great Grand father accepted Promissed Messiah (A.S) just by reading his books.
I ll suggest try reading a book. Sometimes reading a whole things tells the full story then few bits and pieces taken from here and there.
I've read few chapters here and there on al-islam, didn't find any thing extraordinary. Imam Ghazali has written much much better books and am currently reading them. :)
Taken from Non-Ahmadi website:
The Hadith about 73 sects [Archive] - sunniforum.com
The Messenger (SalAllahu ‘alaihi wasallam) said;
إفترقت اليهود على احدى وسبعين فرقة،
وافترقت النصارة على إثنتين وسبعين فرقة،
وتفترق أمتي على ثلاث وسبعين فرقة
“The Jews were divided among themselves into seventy one or seventy two sects, and the Christians were divided among themselves into seventy one or seventy two sects. And My Ummah will be divided among itself into seventy three sects.” Abu Dawood, at-Tirmidhi, al-Hakim and Ahmad among several others, reported this Hadith. At-Tirmidhi said; “Hadeethun Hassanun Sahih”.
In another variation, Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Amir Abdullah bin Luhay said; "We performed Hajj with Mu`awiyah bin Abi Sufyan. When we arrived at Makkah, he stood up after praying Dhuhr and said; ‘The Messenger of Allah (SalAllahu alaihi wasallam) said;
إِنَّ أَهْلَ الْكِتَابَيْنِ افْتَرَقُوا فِي دِينِهِمْ عَلى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً، وَإِنَّ هذِهِ الْأُمَّةَ سَتَفْتَرِقُ عَلى ثَلَاثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً يَعْنِي الْأَهْوَاءَ كُلُّهَا فِي النَّارِ إِلَّا وَاحِدَةً وَهِيَ الْجَمَاعَةُ وَإِنَّهُ سَيَخْرُجُ فِي أُمَّتِي أَقْوَامٌ تَجَارَى بِهِمْ تِلْكَ الْأَهْوَاءُ كَمَا يَتَجَارَى الْكَلَبُ بِصَاحِبِه، لَا يَبْقَى مِنْهُ عِرْقٌ وَلَا مَفْصِلٌ إِلَّا دَخَلَه
‘The People of the Two Scriptures divided into seventy-two sects. This Ummah will divide into seventy-three sects, all in the Fire except one, that is, the Jama’ah. Some of my Ummah will be guided by desire, like one who is infected by rabies; no vein or joint will be saved from these desires.’’”
This hadith was also narrated by Abu Dawood (2/503), Ahmad (4/102) and al-Haakim (1/128) among others, with similar wording but with the following addition;
ثنتان وسبعون في النار. قيل: يا رسول الله
من هم؟ قال: الجماعة
“Seventy two in hell fire and one in the Jannah: that is the ‘Jama’ah.’”
I've read few chapters here and there on al-islam, didn't find any thing extraordinary. Imam Ghazali has written much much better books and am currently reading them. :)
Shall I suggest a book which I found very Interesting?
He is in ghaibat. God will lift the curtain whenever he desires, until then he will stay in concealment. It's a miracle, just like Hazrat Isa (as) was born without a father.
So you are comparing Son of Imam with Prophet??? getting more interesting...
Shall I suggest a book which I found very Interesting?
Yes please.
This is again you perception.
You are calling a person Non-Muslim who is a Muslim and calls himself a Muslim.
How does one become Muslim?
By reciting Kalima: La ilaha Illallah o Mohammad ur Rasoolullah
You may not agree as you may have your own school of thought.
Ya rite...
Tell me one more thing, If just by reciting Kalima one become muslim.. then Y the the rightly guided Caliph raised an army against Muslima Kazaab and other false prophets.. they also recited Kalima and like Ahmadies/Qadyanies, they just had their own prophet after Prophet Mohammad (SAAW)...
please answer this...
ya but
one need to be a muslim to be part of any sect… i do not believe in sects of Islam.. which is again another sect… but i do believe that Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) was the last prophet and their’ll be no prophet after Him… and if anyone makes a claim, then he is nothing more than a liar…