Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
So you think that Isa (as) is the Khatamun Nabiyyeen, being the last prophet to live among mankind?
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
talking to hareem is like talking to a brick wall... the only reason she keeps writing nonsense is to provoke ahmadis. She and her likes are never here to learn. You can have a long post full of solid arguments answering a particular belief and she wouldn't care. She would either choose a line from that whole post and start going in a different direction or bring out another allegation from her big bag of allegations against ahamdis.
Hareem: leaving all other arguments aside, can you answer the following. According to you, we are non-muslims. You and your scholars insist that we should call ourselves so. Do you guys ever stop to think what that implies? Who is a non-muslim? A non-muslim is one who doesn't believe in the kalima, meaning that s/he doesn't believe that Allah is the only God and that Mohammad(saw) is His messenger. The one who doesn't accept the Holy Prophet(saw) obviously doesn't believe him to be a prophet of God.
Now would it make you and your ulema happy if we said that nouzubillah Allah is not the only God or that nouzubillah Mohammad(saw) is not a prophet of Allah? No muslim should ever be happy with such a statement but that is what you and your ulema try to force us to admit.
You can disagree with us if you want and that is your right but show us the same courtesy. Stop going around telling people they are non-muslims because the implications of that statement are such as wouldn't be acceptable to any muslim.
So you think that Isa (as) is the Khatamun Nabiyyeen, being the last prophet to live among mankind?
No I don't think this nor I believe in this. Prophet Isa(AS) is alive as Quran tells us and him being alive doesn't make him Seal of Prophethood unless you can prove that Allah will nazil wahi on him when he returns.
talking to hareem is like talking to a brick wall... the only reason she keeps writing nonsense is to provoke ahmadis. She and her likes are never here to learn. You can have a long post full of solid arguments answering a particular belief and she wouldn't care. She would either choose a line from that whole post and start going in a different direction or bring out another allegation from her big bag of allegations against ahamdis.
Hareem: leaving all other arguments aside, can you answer the following. According to you, we are non-muslims. You and your scholars insist that we should call ourselves so. Do you guys ever stop to think what that implies? Who is a non-muslim? A non-muslim is one who doesn't believe in the kalima, meaning that s/he doesn't believe that Allah is the only God and that Mohammad(saw) is His messenger. The one who doesn't accept the Holy Prophet(saw) obviously doesn't believe him to be a prophet of God.
Now would it make you and your ulema happy if we said that nouzubillah Allah is not the only God or that nouzubillah Mohammad(saw) is not a prophet of Allah? No muslim should ever be happy with such a statement but that is what you and your ulema try to force us to admit.
You can disagree with us if you want and that is your right but show us the same courtesy. Stop going around telling people they are non-muslims because the implications of that statement are such as wouldn't be acceptable to any muslim.
i didn't tell anyone that he's non-muslim so stop making things up....there are several times in this thread when ahmadis called me and other muslims kafir for not believing in mga, woh nahi dikhaee deta? Stop ruining the debate by your irrelevent rant.
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
^ hmmm so you believe that we are muslims? then you must also support us being allowed to perform hajj by the soudies?
your post proves the first part of my previous post that you are never willing to have a productive discourse. i just have to use the search option and i can find many many posts in which you have categorically called us non-muslims.
kafir and non-muslim are not the same thing. kufr doon-al-islam is an established phenomnon explained by many early scholars.
No I don't think this nor I believe in this. Prophet Isa(AS) is alive as Quran tells us and him being alive doesn't make him Seal of Prophethood unless you can prove that Allah will nazil wahi on him when he returns.
If I prove that, will you accept ahmadiyyat?
Here’s comprehensive answer to your question:
Is this the “Islam” you are calling us towards where Police erases Kalima in Islamic Republic of Pakistan under the influence of Mullah?
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
heres what my father's philosophy is :
My father believe Prophet Muhammad PBUH prophesied a reformer to come in the latter days. He then came across a person claiming to be the one prophesied (in his college days, through his friends). He read that person's books, prayed to Allah that what He is about to do must be a right step towards his future and his generations to come. He thought not for another second and went and did ba'it on khalifatul massih the fourth, Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad RA. Alhumdulillah. For this, my grandparents left my father and told him to live anywhere but their home. His intentions were pure. He says that he is lucky to be born at the time when Allah choses this jamaat. He says and sometimes wonder why people dont neutrally read the person's book who claimed to be someone that Muslim's been waiting for since ages?. My father tells all of us brothers to be thankful to Allah for being born an Ahmadi and always advising us to do whatever it takes to spread the word of Allah and says that if someone else ever in your life claim to be sent by Allah, and if i was wrong for my action, I give you the permission to look for the truth. But i know from the bottom of my heart that the beliefs other Muslims hold such as Jesus AS coming from heaven bodily and not be considered prophet and all the fairytails really are fairytails, and i know for sure now after reading Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS's books, that He AS was the one Prophet Muhammad PBUH said in one of His hadith to convey His salaam to.
PS: the whole point of tellin you all this is that if a person claimed to be Imam Mahdi, question is why can he not be what hes claiming to be? pray to Allah, and accept Him. You will not be disobeying anyone but rather obeying Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Have a pure heart which thrives for truth. Leave the rest to Allah Almightey. Allah Almightey will judge you based on your intentions, Inshallah, you wont ever feel the need to look back after.
PS: Let me also tell you that the way my father used to pray before accepting Ahmadiyyat and after .. hasnt changed a bit. He still respond to the same Azaan that he used to respond before becoming Ahmadi Muslim. He feels the same anger as he used to, if someone mocks our dear prophet Muhammad PBUH. He still faces the same qibla as all Muslims during his prayer. He still says the same kalima that he used to say. La ilaaha illallahu Muhammadur RasoolAllah. ( and thats what he says Imam Mahdi AS was suppose to be like.. someone within Islam but not adding or subtracting even a dot in Islamic shariah ).
heres what my father's philosophy is :
My father believe Prophet Muhammad PBUH prophesied a reformer to come in the latter days. He then came across a person claiming to be the one prophesied (in his college days, through his friends). He read that person's books, prayed to Allah that what He is about to do must be a right step towards his future and his generations to come. He thought not for another second and went and did ba'it on khalifatul massih the fourth, Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad RA. Alhumdulillah. For this, my grandparents left my father and told him to live anywhere but their home. His intentions were pure. He says that he is lucky to be born at the time when Allah choses this jamaat. He says and sometimes wonder why people dont neutrally read the person's book who claimed to be someone that Muslim's been waiting for since ages?. My father tells all of us brothers to be thankful to Allah for being born an Ahmadi and always advising us to do whatever it takes to spread the word of Allah and says that if someone else ever in your life claim to be sent by Allah, and if i was wrong for my action, I give you the permission to look for the truth. But i know from the bottom of my heart that the beliefs other Muslims hold such as Jesus AS coming from heaven bodily and not be considered prophet and all the fairytails really are fairytails, and i know for sure now after reading Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS's books, that He AS was the one Prophet Muhammad PBUH said in one of His hadith to convey His salaam to.
PS: the whole point of tellin you all this is that if a person claimed to be Imam Mahdi, question is why can he not be what hes claiming to be? pray to Allah, and accept Him. You will not be disobeying anyone but rather obeying Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Have a pure heart which thrives for truth. Leave the rest to Allah Almightey. Allah Almightey will judge you based on your intentions, Inshallah, you wont ever feel the need to look back after.
PS: Let me also tell you that the way my father used to pray before accepting Ahmadiyyat and after .. hasnt changed a bit. He still respond to the same Azaan that he used to respond before becoming Ahmadi Muslim. He feels the same anger as he used to, if someone mocks our dear prophet Muhammad PBUH. He still faces the same qibla as all Muslims during his prayer. He still says the same kalima that he used to say. La ilaaha illallahu Muhammadur RasoolAllah. ( and thats what he says Imam Mahdi AS was suppose to be like.. someone within Islam but not adding or subtracting even a dot in Islamic shariah ).
by fairytales you mean hadith narrations?
This is a serious question as some other threads have been discussing Ahmadi beliefs.
My desire is to understand the actual beliefs of Ahmadis and how they differ from general Muslim population.
Please do not use this thread as a source of attack but feel free to question answers if you dont understand them.
Now rewind and have a look at this thread u started
I don't doubt ur noble cause of gaining knowledge even one Iota
Didn't i tell u that
I'm no big philosopher/wise/knowledgeable man but i can tell this place reflects a big part of Muslim soceity ...... there r enough parallels ..... just the mere facts that everyone is interacting from behind a anonymous PC screen ensures the conversations/debates/discussions remain without bloodshed ..... certain PPL try their level best to derail topics, insult persons that r dear to some others, even insult the oponent while debating/discussing
Now just imagine some of them may have arms, live nearby and there is no mod to intervene ..... result = Pakistan
If u seek knowledge about the true path of ALLAH SWT then ask him only ..... the best way to ask him/talk to him is Salat/Namaz/Silent Prayer/Dua
May Allah SWT guide u. Ameen
by fairytales you mean hadith narrations?
by fairytales.. i mean taking every single thing in its literal meaning. Hadith itself is by no mean fairytale.. people interpreting it makes it.
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
sorry a bit off topic … but thought this might make everyone hate Ahmedis a bit less
It is heart-rending to hear people in the background cry and wail at this atrocity, but the police went ahead and erased the Kalima anyway. Inna Lillaahe wa Innna Ilaihe Rajeoon.
Pakistan ka matlab kia… La Ilaaha Illlallah. Really?
They are Kafir of Promissed Messiah (A.S) nothing more nothing less.
Is "Kafir of Promissed Messiah (A.S)" a muslim?
Is "Kafir of Promissed Messiah (A.S)" a muslim?
Is Kafir of any prophet Muslim?
How beautiful and blessed will that day be when Ahmadis in Pakistan as well as those unfortunate countries who dont recognize Ahmadis as humans, will be able to have the kalima taiyyaba written in front of their mosques, a day when they will be allowed to say the adhaan out loud, a day when they will be given visa for performing Hajj... what else can a Muslim ask for then to let the fellow Muslim practice Islam to the fullest?
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
I say that do as you please, try as hard as you can , I swear by Allah that we shall not be moved. We shall not be moved from the paths of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa SAW, and those of His slaves, and this caravan of Ahmadiyyat will forever continue to go forward. Human history bears witness that the paths that you walk are the path of failure. They have always become evident to the world as being paths of darkness. When people looked back at those paths, they always sent curses upon those paths, they are the paths of those who went astray..of those who incurred displeasure. But i swear that the path that we walk are the path of prophets and of their true slaves . These are the paths that turn into galaxies and shine across the heaven . One such galaxy we saw created with the footstep of the people of the earlier times of Muhammad Mustafa SAW. O ye who can see observe that the slaves of Muhammad Mustafa SAW appearing in the latter era are once again creating those galaxies with their blood . They are illuminating them with their sacrifices. The coming era will look upon these paths,these shining galaxies and will receive enlightenment from them. They will forever send mercy and blessing on these slaves of Promised Messiah AS. Congratulations to you O my Ahmadi Brothers and Sisters , who proved with your sacrifices that you are worthy of Allah's appreciation , who are made able to receive Allah's appreciation. I swear to Allah that our Allah is with us, The Allah of Prophet MUHAMMAD PBUH is with us. Allah of the slaves of Muhammad PBUH is with us. That morning will definitely dawn for Ahmadiyya jamaat to which Allah himself refers and promise in the holy Quran " hiya hatta matlail fajr" . o servents of mine , this night shall go on but it will not last for ever . There is suffering but I am looking upon this suffereing with love and appreciation. I tell you, theres is not much time left till dawn. Inshallah.
Is "Kafir of Promissed Messiah (A.S)" a muslim?
yes. A "non-ahmadi" Muslim. You take pride in rejecting the Imam Mahdi AS and hence if we call you Kafir of Promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi AS, you willingly accept. Ahmadis on the other hand say they are Muslim and still being given the title of "non-Muslim". A non-muslim is someone who doesnt believe in Prophet Muhammad SAW at all. This is not true with the Ahamdi's case.
ps: you didnt watch the video for your answer, did you?
Hmmm interesting debate. I feel like contributing.
In my opinion, Ahmadis are Not "non-muslims." I consider them Muslims, wholly and completely. However, I dont think that their leader is Imam Mehdi. Because Imam Mehdi is the son of 11th Imam (Imam Hasan Askari). All 12 imams are from the family of Prophet (saww)
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
Without hurling names ... it is the position of all sects of Islam that are not traditional/mainstream to be classed as being 'those that have gone astray' ... Daaleen.
There are many elements within the Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamma aqeedah that are not agreed upon by the Ahmadiyya community - the truth of miracles being one of them.