P.S. If you have concerns please go to the feedback section ... Alternatively you can tell me specific posts to review and shall do so with Teggy and Iconoclast to decide what the options are ... we might close this thread and reopen with the new direction I have proposed which is aligned with the thread title ... or close it entirely ... if you want to make an issue of the topic that you have responded to then you can open up a blog.
:k: Kudos to you my muslim brother. Allah-ho-Akbar. No one becomes muslim just like that- being a muslim means you are really blessed by Allah(swt) while other people following different religions than Islam are not. May Allh(swt) give us all aqal.
I did not expect this from you psyah. This is not fair at all. Nobody is tellin you to go 700 posts backwards to get this topic back to its main topic.. but my reply has had to be there for realitycheck. His accusation of how many ahmadis dont know their own beliefs and how much of the ahmadis are actually ahmadis because of 'money' seems fair to you?.. do you honestly feel this accusation should be left untouched?.. You edited my posts and now its your duty as a 'fair' mod (that is only if you are one).. that you also edit realitycheck's post to which i replied.
PS: who is the head in charge of all of you mods of religion forum? Do i need to talk to him/her about the unjust modship or do you have the guts to edit realitycheck's post?.. if not then give me one last chance to reply to him and then we're both even.
Mr. Popat, she is a muslim. Please don't accuse her like that. If you want to become a muslim, you have to give up lot of pre-conceived ideas. Many Sikhs and Hindus aproached our family in Chakwal to convert to Islam before 1947 and muslims of our village did not just grant Islam to them like that. To become a muslim, one just not observe the five pillars, one should be willing to make sacrifice(Qurbani).
Mr. Popat, she is a muslim. Please don't accuse her like that. If you want to become a muslim, you have to give up lot of pre-conceived ideas. Many Sikhs and Hindus aproached our family in Chakwal to convert to Islam before 1947 and muslims of our village did not just grant Islam to them like that. To become a muslim, one just not observe the five pillars, one should be willing to make sacrifice(Qurbani).
we not only observer the five pillars but also have given many sacrifices.
So to be a muslim, one has to get permission from fellow muslims ?
PS: im disappointed by the way how some mods are running the threads on religion forum. No more reply from my side.
Peace you all. And may Allah help us all see the right path. aamin.
Can I just check that am I still allowed to reply Aramis posts?....I mean mien itna time lagaaon reply dhondne mien or baad mien post edit ho jaaye...to socha pehle hi check kar loon?...
1. **Muhammad (saw) is the last Prophet. No other can come except Isa (as), though
2. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad used filthy language allegedly while Isa will (as) come and KILL
**this people won't understand an Iota of what they believe in until they have read "Future of Revalation" by the late Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad. This is the only book which could lead them to the right path. What is missing in their belief is rationality.
Can I just check that am I still allowed to reply Aramis posts?....I mean mien itna time lagaaon reply dhondne mien or baad mien post edit ho jaaye...to socha pehle hi check kar loon?...
Peace d-tox..ed
If you can do so to clarify your belief then yes, but if it is an answer to an insult or taunt then please avoid.
1. **Muhammad (saw) is the last Prophet. No other can come except Isa (as), though **
2. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad used filthy language allegedly while Isa will (as) come and KILL
this people won't understand an Iota of what they believe in until they have read "Future of Revalation" by the late Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad. This is the only book which could lead them to the right path. What is missing in their belief is rationality.
Peace Bigboi
This is the type of post that is not appropriate for this thread. You can say what you believe and say that it differs from such and such a belief but to say that so and so are contradictory is making an accusation which goes beyond what is required for decent discussion. Let the people see for themselves ... I'll leave this post here as a final reminder of what NOT TO DO. JazakAllahukhair.
This is the type of post that is not appropriate for this thread. You can say what you believe and say that it differs from such and such a belief but to say that so and so are contradictory is making an accusation which goes beyond what is required for decent discussion. Let the people see for themselves ... I'll leave this post here as a final reminder of what NOT TO DO. JazakAllahukhair.
as if your Show you are playing here is appropriate. Aren't you people making accusations since damn 29 pages? Look at Reality_Check. Has he checked his reality at all? Look at you! Just f'in look at you. Look at aramis09!She doesn't even know what Ahmadiyyat is, how it all began and then coming down here talking peanuts, that is appropriate to you right? I'm right when I say that you defend a contradicting belief.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) allegedly called some people bad, gave them bad names. AND ISA (as) comes down so EASILYand KILLS THE CHRISTIANS. Where is the roar there? Why do I hear people roar when Mirza Ghulam Ahmad for example called some people sons of unchaste women. Is that worse than killing? Is that heavier? You have a contradicting belief.
Here is another PROOF for your contradicted belief
QURAN SAYS WHEN YOU KILL ONE HUMAN BEING, IT'S LIKE YOU KILLED THE WHOLE HUMANITY.
**NOW YOU COME DOWN HERE AND HAVE THE GUTS TO MAKE ME BELIEVE, MAKE ME BELIEVE THAT ISA (as) COMES DOWN AND KILLS THE CHRISTIANS? SO EASILY? WHO IS HE KILLING ALLAH'S CREATION? WHO?
Can you tell me what according to you is the rational for Allah to continue the institution of Nabowat & Wahi after the consummation of Hidaya on Our Holy Prophet ?
& before you get angry again , think about it, The views we hold about your religious status is not based on any personal, racial or communal grudge towards you or your Messiah , its based on what we believe & what you believe in.
Mr. Popat, she is a muslim. Please don't accuse her like that. If you want to become a muslim, you have to give up lot of pre-conceived ideas. Many Sikhs and Hindus aproached our family in Chakwal to convert to Islam before 1947 and muslims of our village did not just grant Islam to them like that. To become a muslim, one just not observe the five pillars, one should be willing to make sacrifice(Qurbani).
Did not just grant Islam to them like that? Are the villagers in Chakwal in charge of "granting" Islam? I wonder how many times Holy Prophet (SAW) or the Sahaba refused to "grant" Islam to the converts?
Stochastic,
Looking back at the post you’ve linked to, I agree with the points you have mentioned:
Please consider these
Allah’s Hidayat/Noor/Nabowat was perfected & reached its climax in the person of our Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad PBUH in the form of Quran
The integrity of Quran is protected from all concoctions, fabrications till eternity
Deen has been perfected/culminated on our Holy Prophet & our holy prophet successfully established a society/state in Medina based on the true deen in a single life-span .
The greatness of Humanity has been perfected in the person of our Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad PBUH meaning there can be no greater human being after our Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH
The Risalat of our Holy prophet PBUH is global/eternal for all people till Qayamat & not limited to any time-space constraints.
The rationale is that Holy Prophet (SAW) himself has said that in the later days, Muslims would go astray and a Messiah would come to bring them back to the right path of Islam. And that Messiah would be a Nabi.
If there is to be no prophet after prophet Muhammad (SAW), then Jesus (AS) can’t come again, and certainly not to guide the Muslims, when Quran says that Jesus (AS) was sent to Bani Israel only. And if there can be no more wahi, then how would Jesus (AS) receive the wahi that one of the posters had earlier said he’ll receive in his second coming?
Also, can you please tell us what the last verse of Surah Alkauther mean? Quran is replying to the opponents that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is abtar i.e., without issue. But Allah says it is the enemies, not Prophet Muhammad (SAW) who will remain without issue. Now is it not true that Muhammad (SAW) didn’t have any male sons while his enemies did?
But why then did Allah seemingly reinforce the allegation of Kuffar that Prophet Muhammad did not have any sons in Surah Alahzab? In the verse you have quoted (Alahzab, verse 40) Allah reassures that while Muhammad (SAW) is not the father of any men, but he is the Messenger of Allah, not only that but he’s the seal of the prophets, the spiritual father of all prophets, the best, of the highest stature among all prophets. It’s not Prophet Muhammad (SAW) but his enemies who are spiritually abtar, spiritually without issue.
If you take Khaatam un Nabiyyeen to mean “the last (i.e., no-one can come after him) of the Prophets”, then how does the first part of the verse relate to the second part: “Muhammad is not the father of any men among you, but he’s a Messenger of Allah and the Last of the Prophets?” What does not being the father of any men have anything to do with being the Messenger and Last Prophet? Do prophets not have sons?
as if your Show you are playing here is appropriate. Aren't you people making accusations since damn 29 pages? Look at Reality_Check. Has he checked his reality at all? Look at you! Just f'in look at you. Look at aramis09!She doesn't even know what Ahmadiyyat is, how it all began and then coming down here talking peanuts, that is appropriate to you right? I'm right when I say that you defend a contradicting belief.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) allegedly called some people bad, gave them bad names. AND ISA (as) comes down so EASILYand KILLS THE CHRISTIANS. Where is the roar there? Why do I hear people roar when Mirza Ghulam Ahmad for example called some people sons of unchaste women. Is that worse than killing? Is that heavier? You have a contradicting belief.
Here is another PROOF for your contradicted belief
QURAN SAYS WHEN YOU KILL ONE HUMAN BEING, IT'S LIKE YOU KILLED THE WHOLE HUMANITY.
NOW YOU COME DOWN HERE AND HAVE THE GUTS TO MAKE ME BELIEVE, MAKE ME BELIEVE THAT ISA (as) COMES DOWN AND KILLS THE CHRISTIANS? SO EASILY? WHO IS HE KILLING ALLAH'S CREATION? WHO?
PEACE
Peace brother Bigboi
I like this post so I will leave it here. It also has some relevance with the topic of the thread.
It is precisely not what I want to do nor does Islam require this from us to MAKE someone believe. All that this thread should have is 'what' you believe not 'why' you do and then it should also NOT contain self concluded remarks about other people such as 'contradicted' because to you it may be, but to others it may not be. And also it is not my belief that it is acceptable to use the 'f' word not even gesture the use of it. Thank you for passionate response now please understand what I am trying to do and that is stop the fitnah and calm everybody down.
All we should see are the basic beliefs against a basic set of aqaid can you comply with that?
Did not just grant Islam to them like that? Are the villagers in Chakwal in charge of "granting" Islam? I wonder how many times Holy Prophet (SAW) or the Sahaba refused to "grant" Islam to the converts?
We are Jatt Sandhus who migrated from the present day Yemen and are 100% Arabs. Our ancestors came from Arabia to destroy and punish but-parast(Hindu) people. Many people in our family speak Arabic- who else can be more Islamic than us?
aayeee Allah so much for working hard to become a really gud muslim …
it means i shouldnt work hard to become a gud muslim … cuz obiviously i cant be “more islamic” then you guys are and no matter wat i wont b as gud as u guys r
We are Jatt Sandhus who migrated from the present day Yemen and are 100% Arabs. Our ancestors came from Arabia to destroy and punish but-parast(Hindu) people. Many people in our family speak Arabic- who else can be more Islamic than us?
If you haven't realized how incredibly conceited your post is, then Allah help you brother. "Who can be more Islamic than us?", you ask. I'd dare say that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and the Sahaba (RA) were the most "Islamic", righteous people on earth. How many examples do you find in Holy Prophet's (SAW) lifetime of him refusing to "grant" Islam to converts?
Islam doesn't give anyone the right to "grant" it to others. Rather, embracing Islam wholly depends on the individual himself. Being of Arab descent or speaking Arabic counts for very little. As I recall, Yazid was an Arab too.
Allah says in the Quran about Prophet (SAW) numerous times "You are not a warden (darogha) over them". When even Huzur (SAW) wasn't given this right, does anyone else have the right? Please think!
We are Jatt Sandhus who migrated from the present day Yemen and are 100% Arabs. Our ancestors came from Arabia to destroy and punish but-parast(Hindu) people. Many people in our family speak Arabic- who else can be more Islamic than us?
Are you for real? " kisi ajmi ko arabi pe ya kisi arabi ko ajmi be koi bartari haasil nai sivaae taqwa ki buniyaad pe " Guess who said that?
Speaking arabic means nothing. Prophet Muhammad PBUH was sent for the whole humankind. Speaking certain language doesnt automatically makes one a better muslim than the other. Its the taqwa in the heart which matters the most.
Dont keep on wasting your time being proud of the fact that u are of arabian descent. Life is short, get going and start doing good deeds and spread the true teachings of Islam not just in arabic but every language of the world.
Firstly people stop abusing Psyah....she is doing the right thing to bring the thread back to line with correct attitude towards topics....I give her 100% support in this.....and if you think she is being unfair then PM her.
Secondly I forgot what I was going to say....lol....evermind.
so much for working hard to become a really gud muslim …