Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
Peace All
Please stop asking for justification on this thread for the beliefs that our Ahmadi bretheren hold. Simply state the fact using evidence. Then move on. Request from the Ahmadi reps who come here to expain or clarify the meaning of such evidence in order for the beliefs to be discretely illustrated.
There is no reason to go to the extent od asking people to prove something or say why something is so.
Peace All
Please stop asking for justification on this thread for the beliefs that our Ahmadi bretheren hold. Simply state the fact using evidence. Then move on. Request from the Ahmadi reps who come here to expain or clarify the meaning of such evidence in order for the beliefs to be discretely illustrated.
There is no reason to go to the extent od asking people to prove something or say why something is so.
oK...i ll try my best
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
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mujhe sarne ki boo aa rahi hai....aap abb buri tarah se phans chuki hian....
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i will try my best not to post any futher in this thread. lets see if i am successful. and best of luck with your research detox. i'll say i ve enjoyed it a lot so far.
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^^ aap asal mien na ghussa bohat jaldi ho jaatii hian....I mean step by step agar posts hon to kaafi easy, tidy or pleasent maholl rehta hai...
abb yehi sabb allegation agar aap one by one post kartin or thora sabar kar leteen reply ke lyye to sab kuch smooth rehta...dekhien aap ke bagair forum kaafi soona parr jaaye ga...aap jaayien mat par posting mien halka haath rakhien...
acha jalne ki boo mujhe pata chal gya kyoon aa rahi thi...asal mien monitors kaafi der se on they i think kuch ziaada garam ho gaye ho gai!!....lolz
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
I love this topic …
I have read few posts above and know many Muslims have beaten Ahmadis in this discussion. One thing that is lacking in Muslim brothers’ and sisters’ argument is an evidence… That’s what I am best at…
Long ago, I have gone through the entire official website Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website. I have Read most of Mirza saab’s books including his books compilation Ruhani Khazain (what a waste of time it was).
I have beaten most (and converted few to embrace Islam) Ahmadis in this discussion with solid knowledge and evidence (Trained Ahmadi MURRABBIs try to avoid me). Few weeks ago I had this discussion with a user NUMB and few other Ahmadis, but at the end they had to run to MODs for rescue which caused the thread to be locked…
I am willing to do it all over again (of course without being rude or insulting Mirza saab) only if MODS stay OUT or at least be fair…
Regards
there ur go Qadyanies.. you still have that attitude which iam witnessing from last 9/10 years
this is how it works
Qadyani start discussing and there are 3/4 guys there discussing and taking their turns to answer/comment on the posts.
These 3/4 qadyanies are normally inter-connected and they plan the game. now on some fourms, where they have qadyanies influence on the admin, they get them involved.
Now the game begins, If the mod of Islam section take part in the discussion then they try to play victum card and gets him out of the discussion.. there you one learned man is out, and the allegations are there, saying that he can be baised in his attitude...
Now, they target the posters, they answer as long as they can, but when things get straighter and start moving to its logical conclusion, one qadyani is re-place by other, ( just like changing the bowler).
Not to mention that these qadyanies try their best to pose as they are the only one who have the best moral values, and in doing so, they continue to blame the poster(s), and then ofcourse, no where in the world any qadayni can prove the prophet-hood of the Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani, and then the blow, get one or two nasty posts...
In due course, they use their connections with ADMIN, and then the complain in launched,
In mean time if Qadyani post an irrelevant reply, it is OK, and if someone else do that, then they never forget to mention that...
Now in this post.. when i asked them few questions and invited them to discuss the Knowledge and source of Knowledge of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani.. tevery qadyani seems to disappear.. and someone from street start with its abusive behaviour, strangely enough, none of the admin or qadyani ever bother about that, neutrel admin thinks that they are already a victum and qadyani admin consider it right of a qadyani to abuse anyone they like.
Now in some cases they may ban the street level guy, but in due course they also ban the few members from other side...
None of Qadyani or Admin can prove any word from my post that can be classified as an offence to them, yes stil the ADMIN like TLK walks in and suprises me with the questions...
now summarizing my questions/comment, which were pointed to Ahmadies/qadaynies
1) Essa (AS) never had a new shariyat, still the followers of the Jesus (AS) are called Christains, that is after the name of Christ. The follower of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani are named after their religous leader, then y they insist to be called a Muslim.
2) As per the teaching of Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) and Quran, anyone who claims himself a prophet is an imposter or Dajaal, may it be Muslima the Liar, Aswad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan.
3) if there is any mehdi is about to come, then, what about Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi, he declared himself as Mehdi, he never got a chance, otherwise he may have declared himself a prophet as well.. there is another guy from former Yugosalavia, named Jassim, he claimed to Mehdi as well... Now how will the follower of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadayni, will refute them, using the teaching of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani???
4) Two different ahadees were posted, one declining the possibility of any prophet after Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), second, warning muslims about the traps of dajaals ( imposters).
5) I did mention that in Islam there is no room for any sect may it be 72 or 73, the hadees stating about the sects is actually saying that anyone who leaves Quran and Sunna/Hadees will fall for the trap and form/join a sect and shall be feul of hell.
Now, i don't care if some body believes in and follows Mirza Ghulam ahmed Qadyani or others who claimed to be one after Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), as long as, they don't call them muslims.
Now there is great chance that some low level guys/members of qadyanies will start abusing me, and the admin may take actions against me, what ever the case may be, they will never be able to answer and/or comment on any of above (in sensible manner ofcourse).
Very well said. You figured it out. Thats exactly how Ahmadis play the game. I know this because this happened to me here on GS. It was a user NUMB, some dtoxed guy and couple of MODs playing together....but good thing, as always was, I kicked all of their A**ES pretty good including the MODs...and they all ran away.......
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
oi chor yaaar...close that damn thread...
I persoanlly think its not fair with Hanibal and Aramis as they 2 have to reply to I dont know 4 or 5 of us.
I mean to be fair we should have equal number of team members at both side...now I cannot change my side to move to theirs but I will persoanlly request if others who have knowledge or say enthusiaism to join the debate and help our Muslim brothers on ther side.
My purpose is not to win or loose. The purpose of my discussion is to convey the Fundamentals of Ahmadiyyat. i.e why we say Hadhrat Esa (A.S) has passed away etc
I guess others who reply surely have the right to accept what I say or reject as Holy Quran say La iqraaha fiddeen...there is no compulsion in matter of faith.
I undestand Hanibal would love to have Mod taking part in debate and personally I have no issue with that however things come to a stage where everyone looses their heads and Mod takes the action.
Well number of people doesn't matter as you yourself have witnessed few weeks ago with me alone showing you and your 4 - 5 Qadiyani friends the truth. If you remember correctly, you all ran away with your MOD friends and got the thread closed.
What really matters is that TRUTH always prevails. I think Hanibal and Aramis are experts and taking good care of you all and don't need any help.
You see it is so easy for any Muslim to become this subject matter expert because Ahmadiyat is based on anything but TRUTH...
I am here for Hanibal and Aramis if they need any help...
RC
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@@@ hahaha...yaar ap baatien bohat hi achi karte ho....dekho mien aik naa chiz shaks hoon or shaaid aapke knowledge ke muqaable mien kuch bhi na ho....par mien aik esi jamaat se belong karta hoon jo sunaat rasool SAW ki taleem deti hai....or mene to yehi sekha hai ke halaat or waaqiyat se samjhota karna buzdali nahin balke aqalmandi hai....demaag ka istemaal karna or dua se kaam lena khuda ko pasand hai....orr Rasoolullah SAW ke ghulaam ke ghulaam bhi sabit qadmi or eesar or taqwa ka namoona pesh karrien gai.
Aramis sahiba ki allegations ka jawaab de doon....to ap shok se jis mozoo pe baat karna chahyyien karrien...apni aqal or himmat ke mutaabiq aapko zaroor jawaab mille ga...
P.S - BTW Aramis sahiba nien hadhyaar dal dyye hain.
Very well said. You figured it out. Thats exactly how Ahmadis play the game. I know this because this happened to me here on GS. It was a user NUMB, some dtoxed guy and couple of MODs playing together....but good thing, as always was, I kicked all of their A**ES pretty good including the MODs...and they all ran away.......
o yaar mien ghareeb banda....mujhe kidher add kar rahe ho....aap dehre aalim...gaib ka ilm jaanane waale ..mien gareeb nachiz...aapke muqaable mien to koi pehlwaan hi aana chahyye!!!
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I love this topic …
I have read few posts above and know many Muslims have beaten Ahmadis in this discussion. One thing that is lacking in Muslim brothers’ and sisters’ argument is an evidence… That’s what I am best at..
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Very nice. “muslims” have beaten Ahmadis.. but then ‘muslims’ are the one lacking in arguments and evidence.. i think what u meant by ‘beaten’ is your muslim fellows behaviour towards jamaat e ahmadiyya?.. beaten in accused language? or maybe in replies like
beaten ahmadis with the lack of ‘arguments and evidence’. very well sir.
strong claim to make. You have gone through ‘entire’ official website? Care to explain what you think about it? what did u read in ruhani khazain.. what was in your mind when you were going through the site?.. was it to seek the truth or to find out how else can u attack jamaat e ahmadiyya?
Interesting. Did you also threaten ahmadis that if they dont listen to you.. they’ll be killed? 
kidding
@@@ hahaha...yaar ap baatien bohat hi achi karte ho...
Shukriya
....par mien aik esi jamaat se belong karta hoon jo sunaat rasool SAW ki taleem deti hai..
Bas yahi woh baat hai jis per sab ko problem hai aap logon sai. sunnat-e-rasool ki taleem dena aik achi aur alag baat aur us taleem ki jhansay mein apna agenda promote karna jo Rasool Allah (SW) ki taleemaat kay bilkul munafi ho aik alag baat hai.
Bhai yeh usi Allah kay piyaray rasool ki taleem hai kay mein Allah ka Akhri nabi hoon, meray baad qayamat tak koi nabi ya rasool kisi bhi kisam ka nahi ayay ga... aur apkay Mirza saab is baat ko jhutlatay hein... tu yeh kesi sunat-e-rasool ki taleem huee bhai ?
..or mene to yehi sekha hai ke halaat or waaqiyat se samjhota karna buzdali nahin balke aqalmandi hai...
Apnay yeh seekha kyon kay Mirza saab ki yehi taleemat hein. apkay Mirza saab nay isi taleem ka muzahira kartay huay England ki queen (a christian) kay agay ghutnay jhuka kar Mislims kay khilaf us queen ka saath diya tha, tareekh gawah hai.
Yeh apkay Mirza saab hi hein jo Quran ka hukm cancel kartay hein aur JIHAD ko haram karar detay hein, yani directly Allah ki kitab ko jhutlana.
...demaag ka istemaal karna or dua se kaam lena khuda ko pasand hai...
So dimagh sai kaam le kar apni marzi sai ap apni pasand ki batein Quran sai nikal kar apni marzi ka quran bana saktay hein...wah wah, kya taleemaat hein Mirza saab ki.
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
janaab lagta hai aap to kaafi jaldi mien hai...par record ke lyye keh doon ke Mirza sb (A.S) hi wo shaks hian jinhon nien Malka e bartaania ko dawat e Islam bheji...
baaki baatien abb baad mien...
Very nice. "muslims" have beaten Ahmadis.. but then 'muslims' are the one lacking in arguments and evidence.. i think what u meant by 'beaten' is your muslim fellows behaviour towards jamaat e ahmadiyya?..
Nice to know that we have no disagreement on one issue that Muslims or Islam and Jamaat-e-Ahmadiya are totally two different things.
strong claim to make. You have gone through 'entire' official website? Care to explain what you think about it?
Was total waste of my precious time. Most of Mirza saabs life is spent in predicting future (mainly fortune teller)... he says in many places if his predictions are not true he is kazaab and liar... and most of his predictions turned out false.
Predictions about his far related niece Mohammadi begum for whom Mirza saab had a thing and used to fantasize about her (not making it up, read his son Mirza Bashir's book seeratul mashi) are most interesting, all turned out to be wrong...
...Did you also threaten ahmadis that if they dont listen to you.. they'll be killed? :D kidding
I know you are joking here. I strongly condemn any violence against anyone, especially I hate Pakistani Gov't for letting it happen what happened to those Ahmadi brothers in school.
You see the tragedy is, 95% of Ahmadis don't have any clue what Mirza saab professed. They are Ahmadis because someone in the last 'PEERI' lost his or her silly mind and left Islam by believing on Mirza saab's 'dimagh ki ikhtrah'.
Most educated Ahmadis are Ahmadis because of family ties and fear of isolation from family, not because they believe a word of what Mirza saab said 100 years ago... lol
And the rest 5% of Ahmadis are Ahmadis because of money, the money that Jamaat sucks forcefully by emotionally black mailing innocent, naive, common Ahmadi.
Ever thought why this so called 'Khilafat' is restricted to Mirza saabs family only ?
Ever tried to find out how much of money fraud is happening in your Jamaat right this minute ?
Go figure
RC
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"O people! Mohammed has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything." (33:40)
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
Okay from this point onwards can we summarise:
Let’s make this concise and point by point … I suggest we use the points as illustrated in this:
Tahawi Beliefs of Ahl al-Sunna
Then the Ahmadi’s can say we agree, because or we disagree because, others can say this is how we interpret leaving it for the readers to decide.
No saying … this is how it is supposed to be, or that interpretations makes you such and such … we have had enough of these … then we should close this thread.
Edited - Summary only please from this point forward
edited ... response not relevant
edited - response not relevant
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Psyah..this is not fair. I want my post back there. why was my post got edited when it was the reply to what realitycheck said.. His post is there untouched while my post is edited! i'm only defending it.. i request it to be there again. After my post is there.. it will only be fair that we follow ur rulings.
Then RealityCheck will want to respond to your response
It is absolutely fair ... you are responding to an accusation that you needn't have to respond to because that accusation together with the response is not relevant. The quickest way to realign this thread is to do what I have done .... which is from that point onwards you stay on topic I have no interest in going back circa 700 posts to make this thread conform, and seeing that it has been reopened because there was no conclusion perhaps this way there will be a conclusion.
psyah