What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

aramis · May 21, 2009, 11:40am

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plz also mention ur belief how MIRZA is better than HAZRAT YOUSUF

aramis · May 21, 2009, 11:43am

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it will help too to convert people to ahmadiat if you tell them that even Allah can take orders from MIRZA GHULAM SAHIB()

aramis · May 21, 2009, 11:49am

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it will also be an impressive point to make what is mirza known as in Allah’s darbar. even Prophet Mohammad p.b.u.h was not given all these titles.

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 12:05pm

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Aramis jee aapko kisi pe bohtaan lagaane ka lagta hai bohat hi shok hai....khaas torr se aapke iss taste ko madde nazar rakhte hue mene moderator se guzaarish ki ke aap ke lyye special forum tyaar kia jaaye jahaan aap apni allegation khulle dil se pesh kar sakkien...lekin jab ye forum band hua to aapne discussion mien hissa lese se inkaar kar dia...abb aap phir allegations pe aa gai hain.....kia ye khuli khuli munnafqat nahin.....aap kehti kuch hian or karti kuch....

ye apni allegations doosre thread mien transfer karwaa dien mien Inshallah inka jawaab bhi de doon ga..

aramis · May 21, 2009, 12:08pm

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i was just saying that while you and mr popat are converting people to your mazhab. i just wanted to clarify these believes of ahmadis too. you shd be upfront. butaan is a lie. i took these pages from mirza's books. no allegation. just making sure anyone who pledges allegence with mirza ghulam knows what he stands for.

and plz write ur posts in english or urdu not this transliteration.

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 12:12pm

Mashallah Mashallah...aik to aap urdu mien links post karti hain....phir saath ye bhi kehti hian ke urdu na likho....janaab mien to bas yehi kahoon ga ke meri angrezi kaafi kamzorr hai!!!

Please ignore this post of mine.
MISTAKE -- I didnt read your post correctly...

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 12:46pm

This is already answered in Who is Kafir thread.

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 12:48pm

This is a reply to Christian Missionories who were attaking ISLAM and character of Holy Prophet SAW.

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 12:50pm

I have absolutly no problem with this statement. Read the whole book and you will understand what I mean. Its not possible for me skim down the whole book in few paragraphs.

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 12:52pm

Again the read the whole book and you will understand the subject matter and if after reading the book you still have question then preset.

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 12:54pm

Again absolutly no problem with this statement…It was a Kashf…a dream…please read before posting.

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 12:58pm

Again nothing wrong with the statement…read the book to understand the subject matter…also read that straight after the highlighted part Hadhrat Masih e Maood (A.S) says “yaani baroozi torr pe”…Now I would leave you to find out what does “baroozi mean”…hence hopefully you will understand the metaphorical terms.

aramis · May 21, 2009, 2:52pm

:)....

aramis · May 21, 2009, 3:02pm

i did read. may be u shd read and see if it makes sense to you its a shirk to say that mirza's dictates, that such and such events SHOULD happen and Allah wud sign it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Allah does not have any partner.

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 3:07pm

A dream is a dream…you have no control over it…infact no one has control over dream except Allah SWT…I mean I dont want to call you a child…if you think its SHIRK…then kepp on thinking…

When I read that you said watching something in dream is a SHIRK I was like

Then I thought abb kese inhien samjhaaon!!

aramis · May 21, 2009, 3:15pm

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why dont you read the whole page and not ONLY the highlighted part...................mirza is thinking it is to be believed to be true???????

psyah · May 21, 2009, 3:20pm

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^ Peace d-tox.ed

I think what aramis is saying here is not that someone is doing shirk, rather that to make public a dream which has clear implications of it being characteristic of a Satanic dream puts doubt on the claim of prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

Such a dream is Satanic and should not have been made public
Furthermore a prophet would be expected to be protected from Satanic dreams, unless you can demonstrate they do occur to prophets.
Alternatively if there is an explanation beyond the apparent nature of the dream to explain that it really is not what we are taking it for that may add strength to your argument.

aramis · May 21, 2009, 3:28pm

i agree that dreams can be from shaitan .....but mirza seemed to have a shirt sprinkled with red ink from Allah' red pen!!!!!!!!!!!!! that means mga thought it to be REAL ( thats another point whether it happened or not) ....now if mga thought it happened then its shirk and if detoxed thinks its a dream then as you said its a satanic dream and Prophets do not have satanic dreams.

d-tox.ed · May 21, 2009, 4:31pm

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ok....I will try to find some explanation on this dream and get back....

psyah · May 21, 2009, 8:24pm

Peace d-tox..ed

You should not bother ... this thread should not be a means to prove people wrong or right it should only be to understand the belief of the Ahmadiyya.

For this reason it would be off topic but since the accusation has been made you should do what you feel right, on the other hand I'll try to highlight when the direction of the thread is changing again.