Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
I dont consider you worth my time :). Do you honestly expect me to answer you? sorry buddy, but i talk with knowledge and not with assumption. Thank you. :). Honestly friend, you are wasting your time posting such huge posts... Dont do it,( for ur own benefit ).. no one is going to answer you.
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Mirza Ghulam ahmad Qadiani Kazab iss waqt Jahanum main azab-e-musalsal seh raha hai .... tum bhi tiyar hoo kar jaooo .... bcoz hum too tum koo bata bata kar aajiz aa gayae .....
Mr. Popat ...tum too sensible lagtay hooo ... main aur kuch nahi kahta ... sirf yae k apni books parhooo ... khud say koi bhi .... dekhoo uss main mirza mardood nai kia kia daway kiyae ...Allah ko sath milla kay .... Allah nai sub ghalut kiyae ....
Wo too aaik behka hua (Aalim-e-soo) tha .... jis ko khuda nai dunya mai day dia joo dayna tha ....
plannings youn hai jaisay ... hur qadiani ko 1000 years jeena hooo .... Hansi aati hai tum loogoon per ...
Qiamut main hum tumko yaad karaeen gay ... phir tum loog roooo gay k hum ko kisi nai bataya hota ......
api ittelah kay lliyae aarz hai k abhi too 20 bhi nahi hain .... aap loog bhi aaik sect hoo ... abhi aur aaeen gay Mirza kazab ki tarhaan .... bcoz we clearly see Mirza nai fitna shuroo kar dia hai yae ....
let's see what mods of this forum gona do ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
let's see what mods of this forum gona do ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I was actually going to write a similar post....
Lets see what does moderator has to say about that?
Just to make life easier I ll suggest a BAN?
You have nothing to talk about regarding the knowledge of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS. You have not read any of his books. Period.
the only reason i avioded the discussion on Mirzan Ghulam Ahmed's Knowledge was, i wanted to ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OF THE DAY... Iam sure if this discussion contiunes, we will be talking about the Knowledge and source of Knowledge of Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan...
Pakistan is the country founded for the Muslims, ( I believe when u said Muslims, you meant all sorts of Muslims ..all 72 sects , within them, some believe La Ilaaha Illallahu Muhammadur Rasoolullah ), If that is what you meant then count Ahmadi Muslims in it too please. Second of all, ok fine, it was founded for Muslims but the founder of this "Muslim" country himself is saying that whoever is the citizen of this nation is free to practice anything in terms of religion. You are free to go to temple, mosque, church or guduwara. I hope as you read the stuff about foundation of Pakistan, you must have read the advice given to you people by this founder.
Now there is a thing, a basic thing about the sect...
Muslims are manily divided into two sects, Shia and Sunni, then there are further school of thoughts within those sects, which BTW cannot be declared as SECTS, All these Sects and School of thought, agrees on the basics of Islam, that is amoung them is, there is No Prophet After Mohammad (SAAW) and as per Quran Sura-e-Maida, Allah says that Today I Have Completed the Religion For You... so there is no need of any prophet, were as, this particular sentence/information cannot be found in other divine books (as per my knowledge). As you know, Ahmadi do have a Prophet after Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), so they are in cotradiction with Sharia or Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) and Quran, how can they be a Muslims then!!!
Now, in terms of practicing religion, You are free to practice it, Hindu, Sikh, Christains and other minorities are practicing their religion, but if a Hindu, who contiunes to worship Idols and call it and preaches this as teaching of Islam, then this is not acceptable by anyone. Hope you can find out the difference between practicing one's religion and preaching it in deciving manner.
Bunch of B.S. Call them Ahmadis, if not ahmadi Muslims. Not by any other name. I'd appreciate that.
Have you ever came across someone who claimed to be Jew but is preaching about what Jesus AS teachings are? Why shud we call ourselves someone other than Muslims and then preach Islam? This doesnt make sense at all. We would say We are Ahmadis, and then the moment we start "preaching" our beliefs, they'll know its the "Muslims" teachings they are teaching. Hence we reject to be called anyone else but Muslims first and then the beliefs we hold make us Ahmadi Muslims. The religion as i said before is Islam. This is what we have always preached. Its people like you who have problem when we spread the name of Allah in places in Africa where they never heard about the Holy Book Quran.
Trust me when I say Ahmadiyya jamaat is not hiding. You people threatend us to move out of countries where we get more protection in terms of our lives. Today if you take out the law from the Pakistani gov't that Ahmadis are Muslims, you will see the kalima taiyyaba written in every Ahmadi Muslims mosques.
Thats exactly my point is.. the only difference between the Jews and Christains ( in the early days) was about the Prophet-hood of Jesus Son of Marry (AS), basedon this difference, Christians adopted a name which is closer to the name of Christ (AS). So if we Muslims are WRONG and have not RECOGNIZED the prophet-hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan, then you the Ahmadies have to dis-associate yourselves from us. You need to have ur own identity, based on the teaching and the knowledge provided to you by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan.. Imagine a Christian, who still want to be called a Jew... that is not possible, so is Ahmadi calling himself a Muslim, Follower of Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), how come a follower of Mohammad (SAAW) can believe in a Dajaal... the Imposter.. when Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) on number of Ocassion have giving the clear instructions/guidlines to beware of Imposters as there is not going to be any other Prophet after Him (SAAW).
Threats can be one of the reason for moving out of Pakistan, but trust me, it is not the only reason, Nowadays, Ahmadies are talking about How badly they are being treated in Pakistan and their existence is at risk.. this enables them to get imigration/asylum of some rich european countries, i know its hard to digest but, the threat is not as big as it is potrayed and i totally understand the need of this threat, the more it is propogated, the more chances to get asylum...
Hazrat Muhammad PBUH's earlier companions used to pray in hidden places as well.. Ahmadiyyat is an open invitation to everyone. This is the true Islam as i have always said. Go to jalsa salaana UK, USA,Canada,India,Bangladesh or whichever else country you think you wanna go to .. and see how many people are accepting Islam e Ahmadiyya. People from all age group, gender, race, religion and coming under one banner which claims that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad PBUH is His Messenger. It is only unfortunate countries like Pakistan where Ahmadis are not allowed to be open, or else who really loves to hide their own beliefs?
Yup, they use to hide their Iman, as they were few who had accepted Islam, a but you claim that thousands of people are accepting Ahmadiyat every year, so... aren't you contradicting yourself here??? comapring Ahmadia with the Early days of Makkah and on the same note saying that MANY people ( i guess it is big number) are accepting Ahmadiyat... In Makkah, Muslims did hide but then they opened up, desptite their small number They announed what they believed, and they preached it...desptie the fact that whole world was against them...In Pakistan Ahmadies are open, only deciving is not allowed...
Speaking of this issue, I thought of this hadith (perhaps you may find it if u search for it, but i just write it in my own words ), that Muhammad PBUH said that there will be a time when momin will hide their Imaan.
I know about that hadees, Muslims are hiding their faiths, and trust me, and it is not Ahmadies who are hiding it, the time will come soon when, Muslims will try not to talk about the religion at all.. but that is bit different to your point of view, again, we talk from different prespective, so we have different understanding... you call you self, Ahmadi and you can get Visa/Immigration/Asylum in western countries, any Muslim may hide his religion and call himself the same to get economic independent...
The five pillars of Islam doesnt require one to belive Muhammad PBUH to be the last as last in your sense. Heck the kalima as we only speak about it doesnt even say to admit Him SAW to be the last.. and even if it had , we would have still taken that word to mean 'the perfect' or the "the most exhaulted". dont reject your own beliefs just to prove Ahmadiyyat wrong. Think with cool minded that Imam Mehdi AS has to be given the title of prophet. He AS will be coming as a Muhammad PBUH servent, He's got to be divinly guided my friend.
Again you said, the five pillars does not, Make Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) the last prophet, and even if they does, you will still take some meaning out of it to serve your purpose... I do not need to comment on that, as i Agree with you, Ahmadiyat has done exactly the same.. Now only Ahmadi can think that Imam Mehdi has a title of Prophet!!! not any sane muslim of any cult will ever say that..
Ok. So there have been people claiming to be Imam Mahdi AS. Its a serious problem for you guys, why asking us what we think about it. Its now up to you who u think is the one sent by Allah. We accepted Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS to be Imam Mahdi AS and yet you are still waiting.
To us, they are liars. Allah has not shown anything in favour of them. Solar and Lunar eclipses were the heavenly sings only to be shown for Imam Mahdi, which were shown when Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS claimed to be Imam Mahdi. Next, their jamaat ( if any ) would not be as organized as jamaat e Ahmadiyya. Next, they have no system of Khilafat. Next, none of them defended Islam ( killing swine and breaking the cross ) against Christianity the way Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS did. There are many other reasons why they cant be the one prophecised.
But they says they are not liars, they are guided by Allah, they have some targets and strange enough they have some followers, now these followers are in hiding, ( same as you tried to compare Ahmadiyat with Early days of Sahaba), they are preaching, ( Same as Ahmadiyat), they might be having Annual Jalsaas ( followers of Gohar Shahi do have weekly and annual jalsaas) where some people join them.. so how can you refute them... Again Mirza Ghulam Ahmed never broke the Cross, Christianity is still the leading religion on earth ( by breaking it never means that you build/buy a cross and break it, even i can do that) and same with the Swine, the are in that big number, that they got a diease named after their name... Swine Flu ( again killing of Swine never meant to kill a swine, thousands of Christains are doing it at daily basis, its their business to sell its meat.. even i have killed a Swine in Bella of Ravi ( Narowal district) while i was hunting some deers their...) So what ever is true for u is for them, as Mirza Didn't have the same...How will you refute them...thats my question.. for you TODAY...does Mirza Ghulam Ahmed sheded some light on it...???
Anyway, as i said, it is none of our problem now. We accepted who we had to. Its now your turn to make up your mind. In fact, it should be fair if I ask you what you think of them. No?
it is your problem, somebody have taken the same path and have declared him self Mehdi, who knows they go to next phase and declare them as Jesus... so now we have Mirza Ghulam Ahmed ( and others) and these guys.. who is wrong and who is right.. how come a follower of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan will refute them, how come you prove them imposters and liars??? please answer this with references from Mirza Ghulam Ahmed's writings...
So, you are still going to be eaten by cat even if you close your eyes. I could also say that believing in anyone after Prophet Muhammad PBUH will not going to effect my belief as a "MUSLIM"
It does my friend, as you are calling the Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) a liar, as He (SAAW) clearly said, no Prophet After me... but again like you said above, you can use the meaning, play around with the words, which suits you the best!!!
Talk about when we call you non-muslim , you feel offended? When you are clearly the one rejecting the hadiths? How amazing is that? really!
which hadees may i ask, infact i had these debate about him with many times, none have ever given me a Hadees from Bukhari or Muslim to prove his existance or coming.. secondly their are very few ahadees about him and most of them fall into the category of WEAK if not fabricated....Ya Shias have many ahadees about Him.. but again it is them...what i do beileve that Like Salahuddin Ayoubi, there will be a time, when Muslims will get their leader, under whom muslims will be united and will fight against others...
Very 'sensible' post I must say. and when i say sensible, i feel like laughing, but thats a different story. Anyhow, lets go over it again.. you seem to be losing it my friend. Lets take one by one what you are saying.
feeling is mutual, when i wanted to be amused, i open this thread and go through ur posts.. give me reason to laugh aabout the senses you got... I think this were you will again come back to ur sense ( if u got any) and appeal to talk on the issue..
Let me give you a little Islamic teachings if i may. In Islam, ghaddaari ki saza qatal. Muslimah and other people you talked about claimed to be prophet in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. They were killed because they raised army against Muslim Ummah. My friend, this is the 100th time im repeating myself. Prophet I said can come but only amongst the the Shariyah Muhammad PBUH brought. I have been saying that for so long now. This is the stance of Ahmadiyya jamaat. Anyone claiming to be Prophet and cancel the shariyah of Muhammad PBUH and bring His own is certainly a liar and kazaab. No doubt about it. Muslimah and others u talked about claimed their own prophethood and raised army against Muslims. In return, campaigns were launched and they were killed. This proves they were lying and hence goes exactly what Allah says, that if someone claimed to be sent by me and is actually lying, He cut off his throat.(kill him). As we see with the claim of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS, Allah helped Him in every way and look at where His Jamaat is standing now. Alhumdulillah.
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to start with, Ghaddari key sazza mout hay, this is not Islamic, it is just politicial and stratigical move... so please rectify this, app key basic assumption hi ghalat hay.. so no comment on the rest...
Like i said, they claimed prophethood when it is clear that shariyah of Muhammad PBUH is now the last. None other prophet now can come to cancel this shariah.
Now when did they claimed/refuted Shariah-e-Muhammadi !! any reference!!!
You seem to be twisting words. So you say a dajjal is someone who claim to be prophet but is a liar? that to you is dajaal?
you seems to have little understanding then, Dajaal means Imposter.. do i have to explain the meaning of Imposter too!!!
Hazrat Ayesha RA, said ( as im not quoting but you will know the hadith if u search for it ).. that Indeed call Muhammad PBUH to be the last prophet but do not say that there is not going to be a prophet after Him.
thats interesting, i tried to search this hadees many times, never found it.. can you provide this hadees and please the reference as well...
Prophet SAW didnt have discussions with Muslima because they raised army against Muslims. You are admitting this yourself. Muslims as u said earlier " sent army" to defeat the army of Muslimah. Hence they were liars and got the punishment for lying. In islam there is no room for traitors. If you are caught doing such, you are to be killed, or so i heard.
Muslima Gathered the army, when he heard that three different Armies of Muslims are marching towards him... for details please search for Fitna-e-Irtadaad aur Jhotay Nabi...
I'll not discuss other points ( regarding the knowledge of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan and Illam Iqbal as it may divert the topic from what you have asked)
So the answer of the question is
Pakistan is the country, founded for the Muslims, the foundation of Pakistan is Islam and not any other religion. As a result you can see, Muslims are in Majority. Pakistan have never claimed to be a Secular state, so preaching another religion is out of Question. It is like, can anyone preach Islam in Israel??? Now it still can be considered, but the way Qadyanies preach their religion are awkward. for example, they start with , "we are muslims..." this is where normal Pakistani muslim get offended, as how come, they be Muslims, they are Qadyanies, why don't like qadyanies start their preaching with, "we are Qadyanies.." and then tell everyone about their religion and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, but for some obvious reason they are not doing it... why??? can you tell me this!!!
Qadyaniat if it is true and divine religion, then it shouldn't be hiding itself, it should be open to every one, .. but as i said, the Qadyanies for some reason do not practice this, they work under the veil of Islam...
here in this forum, Qadyanies are insisting that they should be called muslims, why??? we muslims are those who believe that Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) was the last prophet and anyone after Him, claiming prophet-hood is Dajaal, a liar, an impostor...So why don't you select and adopt the name of Ahmadi or Qadyani for your self.. why insist to be Muslim??? and then preach qadyaniyat...
Anyway, little note for you, Qadyanies, are not in that big number, nor they are only one who follow some false prophet and survived, Beha'i are example of the same.. anyway there are two more guys in todays world, 1) Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi 2) some one called Jasim, from former Yugosolavia each claimed to be Mahdi.... so what do you think of them??? is the claim true!!!
PS: I do not believe in Any Imam Mehdi, nor believe in such personality will effect my belief as a Muslim
Can I say something (a little irrelevant to topic)
There is no faith or sect or people who practice something called "Qadyaniyat".
If you want to relate us to some faith or sect then it is "Ahmadiyyat".
I would rather take it as offensive word and point it out for the attention of Moderators.
(P.S - Just for records Jamaat Ahmadiyya consist of 200 Million strong followers.)
WELL you do not know for a fact what is Dr isrars knowledge is regarding Ahmadi ppl!!!!! may be he has seen ur prayer or read ur books.
the excerpt was from dr israr's article whom** you** were qouting that he admitted this and that abt mirza ghulam. i was showing you that all the scholars say ahmadis are non muslims after mirza sh started showing his true colours. he may have started as good but then he started thinking of himself as prophet or mehdi or krishna or jesus or shadow....even he seemed confused . perhaps if he lived longer we wud have heard his claim to be god!!!! who knows!
Ummah unanimously considers ahmadis non muslims thats why u are not allowed to enter macca and madina. these two cities are meant for muslims only. there are boads announcing "muslims only". before the boundries of these holy cities. of course ppl can lie and some must be able to enter.
and i do not know why they dont stop suicide bombers from entering holy cities,,, may be bcz they have committed suicide???????? i do not make rules and i totally disagree with bombings and killing innocents and killing of ahmadis also as this is not Islam. lets start a petition to include this question in passports also. i will sign first. ashab and prophets did not go around killing non believers. ok. i do not approve of killing of innocents. the minorities are supposed to have protection. but that does not give them right to preach and claim to be muslims.
einstien comment was meant for you only...nothing religion related. bcz i feel u have closed mind where nothing enters or comes out. u keep going around and around in circles.
that is what you are doing too isnt it???????
ahem! with defective or wrong knowledge of His(p.b.u.h) life> i think u praise mirza more than anyone else.( i dont mind you doing that though) personally i do not care if you keep ur beliefs. but i hope someone will read the truth and avoid the trap of qadiyaniat.
I just didnt get the reason for this post and relation to topic??
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
OKK now topic related to thread it self:
This is a question which probably comes to everyone’s mind:
Questions: Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (A.S) claimed that Jesus wasn’t crucified but instead travelled to India. According to history, Jesus (A.S) was crucified and died on the cross contrary to Islam. Islam says that although Jesus’s body was physically present and he appeared dead, Allah had taken his soul to heaven. The Quran does not mention anything about Jesus travelling to “India”. How can that be?
If you read history there are many books written about Prophet Jesus (as). Even today there are different discoveries going on, on the same topic. What really happened to Jesus. Bible has its own account and Holy Quran has its own. Hazret Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has written a book called “Jesus in India” It gives complete evidance from Bible and Quran and Historical events of Prophet Jesus (as). How he escaped the crusifiction and how he went to India. There are different authors who wrote books about Jesus. Recently BBC also made a documentary on this. You may visit www.tombofjesus.com for further study. I will however give you some insight but I would highly recommend studying this book called Jesus in India the link is as follow http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus…ndia/index.html
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BTW can I mention the thread is not about reply to allegations. I will present the Jamaat Ahmadiyya view with Hadith and Quran and then if you have any questions you are welcome to post…I wont waste time replying to allegations simply copy pasted from Anti Ahmadiyya websites.
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its ok d-toxed its not your fault. my post was quite difficullt to grasp.
ok so according to mirza sb when hazrat Isa went to india he left his followers behind? or did they follow him to india?
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its ok d-toxed its not your fault. my post was quite difficullt to grasp.
ok so according to mirza sb when hazrat Isa went to india he left his followers behind? or did they follow him to india?
Have you ever heard a story called lost sheeps of Israel....I reccommend reading the book I provided the link as it will guide you a lot about the whole history.
well if you make false allegations someone shd reply. you do not have the sole discretion on thread
ohoo Araamis mere dost ghussa kyoon hote ho...abb khudd socho jiss bande ne thread khola uska maqsab kia tha...he wanted to learn about the fundamentals believes right? obb orr baat hai wo kisi gosha e tanhaai mien kho gaya hai par iska matlab ye to nahin ye thread ke koi bhi kisi bhi tareeqe se istemaal karre..
abb sab logon ki asaani ke lyye mene arz ki thi ke aik topic pe raha jaaye phir jabb dono umeedwaar apni taqareer khatam kar lien to agle topic pe challien...
abb dekho baat ho rahi Fundamentals per Reply to allegations per nahin...mere khyaal se agar hum topic choose karke usspe challien to ye sabb ke lyye acha ho ga...
end of the day aapke reply ka maqsad kia hai or mere reply ka maqsad kia hai...i want to calrify the fundamentals of my faith....aapka maqsab abhi tak sirf refuting hi nazar aa raha hai...A healthly discussion cannot prosper with this attitude...lets be constructive then destructive...
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no no i am not angry or ghussay main at all....i actually look forward to read a reply from u guys. i am having quiet fun.
sorry but others are doing your kind of discussion. i thought i will correct you false allegations. you can ignore me.
no i have not heard the STORY of lost sheep why dont you tell me.
please give me refrence from Quran and hadith also. not from mirza's books as i do not believe in his writing. but u claim to believe in quran and sunnah right?
I'll not discuss other points ( regarding the knowledge of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan and Illam Iqbal as it may divert the topic from what you have asked)
So the answer of the question is
Pakistan is the country, founded for the Muslims, the foundation of Pakistan is Islam and not any other religion. As a result you can see, Muslims are in Majority. Pakistan have never claimed to be a Secular state, so preaching another religion is out of Question. It is like, can anyone preach Islam in Israel??? Now it still can be considered, but the way Qadyanies preach their religion are awkward. for example, they start with , "we are muslims..." this is where normal Pakistani muslim get offended, as how come, they be Muslims, they are Qadyanies, why don't like qadyanies start their preaching with, "we are Qadyanies.." and then tell everyone about their religion and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, but for some obvious reason they are not doing it... why??? can you tell me this!!!
Qadyaniat if it is true and divine religion, then it shouldn't be hiding itself, it should be open to every one, .. but as i said, the Qadyanies for some reason do not practice this, they work under the veil of Islam...
here in this forum, Qadyanies are insisting that they should be called muslims, why??? we muslims are those who believe that Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) was the last prophet and anyone after Him, claiming prophet-hood is Dajaal, a liar, an impostor...So why don't you select and adopt the name of Ahmadi or Qadyani for your self.. why insist to be Muslim??? and then preach qadyaniyat...
Anyway, little note for you, Qadyanies, are not in that big number, nor they are only one who follow some false prophet and survived, Beha'i are example of the same.. anyway there are two more guys in todays world, 1) Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi 2) some one called Jasim, from former Yugosolavia each claimed to be Mahdi.... so what do you think of them??? is the claim true!!!
PS: I do not believe in Any Imam Mehdi, nor believe in such personality will effect my belief as a Muslim
apni bakwass band kar, yaan meyn tujhe doond ke khud band kardoon ghaa. Itni gandi zubaan hai teri or tu aapne aap ko muselmaan ketha hai? Lanat tujhe par or teri aane waali nassal par. Meri lekin yehi dua hogi ke teri aane waali nassal teri ghattiya soch se door hi reh. Or meyn yeh ro ro kar duwa karoon ga.
Hum muselmaan hain or hum muselmaan rehn ge or ye siraf Khuda jaanta hai. Tu Khuda bann ne ki kosish na kar warna Khuda tujai Kutte ki mot maare ga.
Rasool-ul-Allah ne yeh bi ka taa ke meri Masjid achri Masjid hai. Phir kyun or masjadeyn banai gi? Qadiyaani, Qadiyaani, Qadiyanni laga ra hai iddar. Patta bi naheen hai ke Qaidan ek City hai. Kabhi to uddr geya thaa?
Tera rasool kaise treat kartha ta dusron ko? Tujhe patta hai? Tu muselmaan? Pakistan Muselmaan hai? Ek gormint ne jisne Khuda ban kar ek minority ko non-muslim declare kardiya? Shirk kar kai, phir pi itni juratt kene ki ke ham Muselmaan hain? Kitna barra joot hai ye? Tuune aaj mere andarr apni bakwass dikha ke itni gharmi jagai hai.
Tu Muselmaan naheen! Tu jahoodi, yaan hissai hai, tu Muselmaan naheen hai! Bilkul naheen hai. The foundtation of Pakistan is not Islam. The foundation is the jewish and christian belief. Go and read the Thora and the Bible. This is happening in Pakistan.
Kitna joot bolne aata hai tujhe. Wo practise naheen karte haina? Tujhe yaad hai kaise Hazrat Umar (as) ki behn chup chup ke Islam practise karti tee aape miyaan ke saath? Kyun karthi ti? Isliye ke usko dar ta aapni zindagi ke liye. Pakistan meyn kyun Ahmadi chup chup kar practise karte hain, isliye ke unko dar hai or aaj bi jaane jaari hain. Aaj bi Islam ke naam par kathal hora hai.
Yeh Islam hai? Yeh tere Rasool ka Imaan hai?
Muselmaan patta kon hota hai? Jo aache kaam karte hai? Jaise Rasool ne ka tha ke Muselmaan wo hai jo dusron dukh na ponchai! Tune iddar aapni bakwaas kar kar ke itne dillon ko dukaya hai. Kiya jawaab de ga Khuda ko?
Tune kiya jawaab dena. Tu to khud Khuda hai (nauzobillah) jo humare dillon meyn dek sak ta hai!
Pakistan meyn na jahoodi or hissai are in majority, UNDERSTAND!!!!
Tu na believe kar Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) par, bass aapni bakwaas band kar!
**WHAT A TRUE MUSLIM COUNTRY ISN'T IT LADIES & GENTLEMAN?
WHEN AHMADIES SAY ASSALAMO ALAIKUM MEANING "PEACE BE UPON YOU"
THEY GET PRISONED...BEAUTIFUL...MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA ZINDABAD...
THEY WISH SOMETHING GOOD AND THEY GET PRISONED, THEY PRAY THEY GET PRISONED, THEY SPEAK THE KALIMA THEY GET PRISONED. WHAT A DOUBLE STANDARD. THE PEOPLE HERE KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA (SAW) WAS VERY ANGRY WHEN ONE FOLLOWER OF HIM KILLED SOMEONE SPEAKING THE KALIMA. THE FOLLOWER JUSTIFIED THE ACT SAYING THE MAN WANTED ONLY TO SAVE HIS LIFE. MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA (SAW) ASKED IF HE DID LOOK IN HIS HEART. AND ASKED HIM WHAT HE WILL SAY WHEN HIS HEART SPEAKS AGAINST HIM ON THE JUDGEMENT DAY.
WE HAVE BEEN DECLARED BY THE ISLAMIC PAK GOVT. AS NON MUSLIMS
I HAVE WRITTEN THE DOUBLE STANDARD IN BIG LETTERS
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apni bakwass band kar, yaan meyn tujhe doond ke khud band kardoon ghaa. Itni gandi zubaan hai teri or tu aapne aap ko muselmaan ketha hai? Lanat tujhe par or teri aane waali nassal par. Meri lekin yehi dua hogi ke teri aane waali nassal teri ghattiya soch se door hi reh. Or meyn yeh ro ro kar duwa karoon ga.
Hum muselmaan hain or hum muselmaan rehn ge or ye siraf Khuda jaanta hai. Tu Khuda bann ne ki kosish na kar warna Khuda tujai Kutte ki mot maare ga.
Rasool-ul-Allah ne yeh bi ka taa ke meri Masjid achri Masjid hai. Phir kyun or masjadeyn banai gi? Qadiyaani, Qadiyaani, Qadiyanni laga ra hai iddar. Patta bi naheen hai ke Qaidan ek City hai. Kabhi to uddr geya thaa?
Tera rasool kaise treat kartha ta dusron ko? Tujhe patta hai? Tu muselmaan? Pakistan Muselmaan hai? Ek gormint ne jisne Khuda ban kar ek minority ko non-muslim declare kardiya? Shirk kar kai, phir pi itni juratt kene ki ke ham Muselmaan hain? Kitna barra joot hai ye? Tuune aaj mere andarr apni bakwass dikha ke itni gharmi jagai hai.
Tu Muselmaan naheen! Tu jahoodi, yaan hissai hai, tu Muselmaan naheen hai! Bilkul naheen hai. The foundtation of Pakistan is not Islam. The foundation is the jewish and christian belief. Go and read the Thora and the Bible. This is happening in Pakistan.
Kitna joot bolne aata hai tujhe. Wo practise naheen karte haina? Tujhe yaad hai kaise Hazrat Umar (as) ki behn chup chup ke Islam practise karti tee aape miyaan ke saath? Kyun karthi ti? Isliye ke usko dar ta aapni zindagi ke liye. Pakistan meyn kyun Ahmadi chup chup kar practise karte hain, isliye ke unko dar hai or aaj bi jaane jaari hain. Aaj bi Islam ke naam par kathal hora hai.
Yeh Islam hai? Yeh tere Rasool ka Imaan hai?
Muselmaan patta kon hota hai? Jo aache kaam karte hai? Jaise Rasool ne ka tha ke Muselmaan wo hai jo dusron dukh na ponchai! Tune iddar aapni bakwaas kar kar ke itne dillon ko dukaya hai. Kiya jawaab de ga Khuda ko? Tune kiya jawaab dena. Tu to khud Khuda hai (nauzobillah) jo humare dillon meyn dek sak ta hai!
Pakistan meyn na jahoodi or hissai are in majority, UNDERSTAND!!!!
Tu na believe kar Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) par, bass aapni bakwaas band kar!
WHAT A TRUE MUSLIM COUNTRY ISN'T IT LADIES & GENTLEMAN?
WHEN AHMADIES SAY ASSALAMO ALAIKUM MEANING "PEACE BE UPON YOU" ** **THEY GET PRISONED...BEAUTIFUL...MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA ZINDABAD...
THEY WISH SOMETHING GOOD AND THEY GET PRISONED, THEY PRAY THEY GET PRISONED, THEY SPEAK THE KALIMA THEY GET PRISONED. WHAT A DOUBLE STANDARD. THE PEOPLE HERE KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA (SAW) WAS VERY ANGRY WHEN ONE FOLLOWER OF HIM KILLED SOMEONE SPEAKING THE KALIMA. THE FOLLOWER JUSTIFIED THE ACT SAYING THE MAN WANTED ONLY TO SAVE HIS LIFE. MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA (SAW) ASKED IF HE DID LOOK IN HIS HEART. AND ASKED HIM WHAT HE WILL SAY WHEN HIS HEART SPEAKS AGAINST HIM ON THE JUDGEMENT DAY.
WE HAVE BEEN DECLARED BY THE ISLAMIC PAK GOVT. AS NON MUSLIMS
I HAVE WRITTEN THE DOUBLE STANDARD IN BIG LETTERS
ohooo yaar ghussa na karoo...lets just ignore him.
I have replied to his post...ye sirf logon ki kirdaar kashi kar sakte hian or andder se biklul khokhle hian...kabhi inhon nien Islam ki ya Sunnism ki Tabligh ki hai...agar inko lagta ke ye sache hian to apnne deen imaan ki tabligh karte....Mr Hanibal ka kaam hi fasaad daalna hai or ye yahan pe kuch seekhne ke lyye nahin bethe...
just ignore him...dont reply to any of his irrelevant posts.
apni bakwass band kar, yaan meyn tujhe doond ke khud band kardoon ghaa. Itni gandi zubaan hai teri or tu aapne aap ko muselmaan ketha hai? Lanat tujhe par or teri aane waali nassal par. Meri lekin yehi dua hogi ke teri aane waali nassal teri ghattiya soch se door hi reh. Or meyn yeh ro ro kar duwa karoon ga.
Hum muselmaan hain or hum muselmaan rehn ge or ye siraf Khuda jaanta hai. Tu Khuda bann ne ki kosish na kar warna Khuda tujai Kutte ki mot maare ga.
Rasool-ul-Allah ne yeh bi ka taa ke meri Masjid achri Masjid hai. Phir kyun or masjadeyn banai gi? Qadiyaani, Qadiyaani, Qadiyanni laga ra hai iddar. Patta bi naheen hai ke Qaidan ek City hai. Kabhi to uddr geya thaa?
Tera rasool kaise treat kartha ta dusron ko? Tujhe patta hai? Tu muselmaan? Pakistan Muselmaan hai? Ek gormint ne jisne Khuda ban kar ek minority ko non-muslim declare kardiya? Shirk kar kai, phir pi itni juratt kene ki ke ham Muselmaan hain? Kitna barra joot hai ye? Tuune aaj mere andarr apni bakwass dikha ke itni gharmi jagai hai.
Tu Muselmaan naheen! Tu jahoodi, yaan hissai hai, tu Muselmaan naheen hai! Bilkul naheen hai. The foundtation of Pakistan is not Islam. The foundation is the jewish and christian belief. Go and read the Thora and the Bible. This is happening in Pakistan.
Kitna joot bolne aata hai tujhe. Wo practise naheen karte haina? Tujhe yaad hai kaise Hazrat Umar (as) ki behn chup chup ke Islam practise karti tee aape miyaan ke saath? Kyun karthi ti? Isliye ke usko dar ta aapni zindagi ke liye. Pakistan meyn kyun Ahmadi chup chup kar practise karte hain, isliye ke unko dar hai or aaj bi jaane jaari hain. Aaj bi Islam ke naam par kathal hora hai.
Yeh Islam hai? Yeh tere Rasool ka Imaan hai?
Muselmaan patta kon hota hai? Jo aache kaam karte hai? Jaise Rasool ne ka tha ke Muselmaan wo hai jo dusron dukh na ponchai! Tune iddar aapni bakwaas kar kar ke itne dillon ko dukaya hai. Kiya jawaab de ga Khuda ko? Tune kiya jawaab dena. Tu to khud Khuda hai (nauzobillah) jo humare dillon meyn dek sak ta hai!
WOW @ sending lanat ... AND DOUBLE WOW @ umar a.s ??? u sure that u can use a.s with umar ?
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
Now lets get back to the topic…
As no one come up with anything good on Muslim and Non Muslim issue I guess I can now move onto topic of Death of Hadhrat Esa (A.S).
On one occasion the enemies of the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW, challenged him that they will not believe in him unless he “ascend up into heaven” and “send down to us a Book.” (17:93) The Holy Prophet SAW replied: “Holy is my Lord! I am but a mortal sent as a messenger.” (17:93)
Translation from Non Ahmadi Source:
http://www.jannah.org/qurantrans/quran17.html
017.093 “Or thou have a house adorned with gold, or thou mount a ladder right into the skies. No, we shall not even believe in thy mounting until thou send down to us a book that we could read.” Say: “Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man,- an apostle?”
Thus the Prophets, like all humans, lived and died on the earth. If Jesus is alive today, he must be more than a mortal.
IF ANY HUMAN BEING WAS ABLE TO GO TO HEAVEN WITH HIS PHYSICAL BODY THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR BELOVED HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW, THE GREATEST OF ALL PROPHETS. But the verses above indicate that since he is but a man, it is not possible.
The verse speaks for it self. I am not into making long posts as it is very difficult to read them…hence I will keep them short and brief as possible.
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ لِمَنْ يُقْتَلُ فِي سَبيلِ اللّهِ أَمْوَاتٌ بَلْ أَحْيَاء وَلَكِن لاَّ تَشْعُرُونَ
Shakir 2:154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.
[Yusufali 2:154] And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah: "They are dead." Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not.
[Pickthal 2:154] And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead." Nay, they are living, only ye perceive not.
okay so who is ALLAH referring to ...
وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ لِمَنْ يُقْتَلُ فِي سَبيلِ اللّهِ أَمْوَاتٌ بَلْ أَحْيَاء وَلَكِن لاَّ تَشْعُرُونَ 4}
Shakir 2:154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.
[Yusufali 2:154] And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah: "They are dead." Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not.
[Pickthal 2:154] And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead." Nay, they are living, only ye perceive not.
okay so who is ALLAH referring to ...
I guess the best persons to answer this would be Hanibal and MarriedSingle...i suggest you wait for them to give you a reply...
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
**“When Allah said, O Jesus, I will cause you to die and will raise you to myself, and will clear thee of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection, then to Me shall be your return and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ.” (3:56) **
Non-Ahmadi Translation:
http://www.jannah.org/qurantrans/quran3.html
003.055 Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
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An important word used in the Quran is mutawaffi, derived from tawaffa. When God is the subject and a human is the object, tawaffa means to take away the soul, i.e, death.
**Zamakhshari (467-538 A.H), an Arab linguist of great repute says, “Mutawaffika means, I will protect you from being killed by the people and will grant you full lease of life ordained for you, and will cause you to die a natural death not being killed (Kashshaf).” Scholars and commentators like Hazrat Ibn Abbas, Imam Malik, Imam Bukhari, Imam ibn Hazm, Imam ibn Qayyin, Qatadah, Wahhab and others are of the same view.
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Note that the same word Tawaffa, has been used in other places in the Quran to indicate death. For example, 2:235: “and those of you who die (yatawaffou-na) and leave wives behind, these wives shall wait concerning themselves for four months and ten days.”
Non-Ahmadi Translation:
http://www.jannah.org/qurantrans/quran2.html
002.234 If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And God is well acquainted with what ye do.
Another important word is rafaa, which means raising, elevating, lifting, exaltation, honor. When the rafaa of a man is spoken of as being towards Allah, the meaning is invariably spiritual elevation and exaltation. For example the Quran says about Prophet Enoch: “We exalted him to a lofty station (19:58).”
Non-Ahmadi Translation:
http://www.jannah.org/qurantrans/quran19.html
019.057 And We raised him to a lofty station.