What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

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Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

^^ Mr. Popet, I am sure, you have not even tried to read what wrote in my earlier post and just concentrated laughing, had u been more serious you have find the right way....

Muslims Scholars, had Manazars with Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan, He accepted almost all the challenges, which are now part of history and which i believe he lost all of them... So why not anaylze those debate and see what Mirza had to say and how other scholars refuted him ( i know u'll laugh at this one aswell), same was the logic behind the debate of 70s.

Now As far as Illama Iqbal is concerned, he saying abotu Mirza was when he claimed himself as Scholar of Islam, but when he delcared Prophet-hood/Imam Mehdiyat... he went against him ( like all muslims)

I don't know what to say, if Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan did predicted that, then you must be sorry, that instead of Spreading Islam, Ahmed got declared Non-Muslims, and now they are busy preaching their own religion, i.e. Ahmadiyat... this is how i looks into it...

PS: Well i have the same feeling regarding Moderators of this forum or any forum for that matter...anyway, lets try to have a discussion in progressive way...

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Well my dear really sorry for you ..... and your beliefs..... tell me one thing why Mirza Kazab died in Bath room ... he claimed that he will die in Makkah or Medina ..... there are so many other open sign for the people as mirza is a lier ... open ...Allah almighty sent indirect signs ... several time he claimed for some miricle involving Allah ... but reverse done ..... What was that ?????

Listen my dear Alaah never let down his prophet ...... Why he alter the concept of Hazrat Eesa ..... All the previous Ummah Schlors are false ??? ... please read something with open eyes and mind about his social life .... he was a dirty man in character ....

He was a slave of British Empire ...... All his refferences are circular and stupid .... you people are even more stupid that you cannot even judge the truth ..... Amazing

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Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

from an article of Dr israr…
Terrorism: Who is Responsible? By: DR. ISRAR AHMED-- News about Muslims,Islam

They have initiated and strengthened movements in the name of the Qur’an and Islam that were actually against Islam. Most prominent examples of such movements in our region are “Qadiyani Madhab” and “Pervaizi” school of thought.
2. Their second target is to declare the Qur’anic precept of “Jihad fi sabeel Allah” (tireless strivings in the way of Allah) as a barbaric act of killing so as to curb the craving for Jihad and the desire of Shahadah (martyrdom, to die in the cause of Allah) from the Muslims. They have appointed agents among Muslims who misinterpret the concept of “Jihad” and “Qitaal” (killing). Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani declared, “Killing for religion is forbidden.” On this, Allama Iqbal had quipped thus: “The Shaikh decrees that this is the age of pen, the sword is no more effective in the world.”

Detox sir dont whine.

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Weren't the campaigns launched against false prophets by Khulfa e Rashideen (AS) because of rebellion and their raising of an army against Muslims? Musailma Kazzab had claimed prophethood in the life of Huzur (SAW) himself, but Huzur did not launch a campaign to kill Musailma Kazzab.

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I would really like to know how far can you go to prove Ahmadis wrong. Before the claim that Hazrat Muhammad PBUH made that he was a prophet of Allah, everyone used to call him Sadiq and Ameen, person who never lied in His life, a person who dont do kheyaanat etc. When He SAW claimed to be prophet.. did everyone accepted Him? Same is the case with Allama Iqbal. He believed Him to be the one who understood Islam to its fullest at that time, and then refusing to accept Him as the Imam Mehdi. Point was, He couldnt refuse the fact that He understood Islam properly than anyone at that time. (which is exactly the role of Imam Mahdi AS was suppose to be.. understand Islam and disregard the things which people have been believing for ages through the arguments given directly from Quran and hadith )..He AS wrote many many books to defend Islam from Christianity and Aryaans at that time, and you say He AS used to be defeated by scholars? You still havent seem to answer my that question when i asked why you dont let us preach "our religion" (which is Islam basically) to the people of Pakistan? What are you people so scared of if we are so easy to be defeated? Just assuming that you can defeat us means nothing to me unless gov't of Pakistan allow us to preach wat we believe in openly.

you know its just amazing how you say "scholars of that time" used to defeat Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS in debates and fail to explain which sect of scholar used to have debates with Him? You "believing" that He used to be refuted by scholars of that time means nothing. You are free to "believe" anything you like. Heck, its your rule in Pakistan, you do and believe whatever in the world u wanna "believe" in. You say its night when its day, how dare anyone say its not night.

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I don't know what to say, if Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan did predicted that, then you must be sorry, that instead of Spreading Islam, Ahmed got declared Non-Muslims, and now they are busy preaching their own religion, i.e. Ahmadiyat... this is how i looks into it...

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Our religion was Islam, is Islam and will continue to be Islam, Inshallah. Well, as we say kisi cheez ke poore hone ka bas aik bahaana banta hai.. declared us non-Muslims and you see us all around the corners of the earth.. from Africa to America to Canada to Uk to India, to Bangladesh to Indonesia to Philipines etc. As i say you are free to 'believe' whatever u like. But know that for sure that the person who you are waiting for has came and it is up to you to believe in Him or be the munkir of hadiths predicting Him AS. Know that the message has been given to you. Whatever we are today is all due to the continuous prayer and sacrifices and due to the love for our beloved Prophet SAAW.

So todays question for you is (since i dont want you questioning something else when i'm the one asking something else ) : Why do you not allow Ahmadi Muslims to preach their beliefs in Pakistan. If we are wrong, you could bring us to the right path. Certainly killing us isnt helping much.

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They have established movements in the Name of Quran and islam that were actually against Islam? He must be joking. You people really need an "educated" scholars for yourself, who dont just have religious background in Islam but have some knowlege if not all about other religions too , or other movements within Islam. Whoever doesnt agree with your scholar is automatically labelled a non-Muslim. Has Israr Sahab not seen a single Ahmadi praying? Has he not seen the book they considered the final word of Allah? has he never seen Ahmadi claiming to believe in kalima shahadah? Who is he to judge what is with Islam and what goes against Islam? It should be a sense of pride for you people that regardless of you declaring Ahmadis non-muslims, they simply cant go over the fact that they still are muslims. When they say they love Muhammad PBUH just as much as you do, would you really make them not love the person who is worthy of all the love of the heavens and the Earth? To you people, Christians are far better because they dont believe Muhammad PBUH at all.

What is jihaad according to you? to me Jihaad is the internal war against your own conscious. Disagreed or agreed? Anything in defence of Islam is considered Jihaad. Any war trying to save the homeland is Jihaad. I am at the moment engaged in Jihaad as im talking to you. Jihaad is not bombing places and killing innocent people. Jihaad is not attacking your enemies when they are doing no harm to you. Osama Bin Laden's version of Jihaad is NOT islamic Jihaad and the Jihaad of red mosque was not Jihaad either.

PS: the title of the article u posted is very misleading. Title says "terrorism: who is responsible". Terrorism is what so called Muslims are doing in the world with weapons and by killing innocent people. How does "terrorism" has anything to do with Jamaat e Ahmadiyya? Is he saying Ahmadis are doing this so called terrorism jihaad in the world? They are the one responsible?

ps: question for you today aramis is : Why is it that when an Ahmadi wants to go for Hajj, and he needs to make a new passport and in there it is asked from the person if they declare Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS to be an imposter and liar and non-muslim, why is there no other pointer there saying something like " I declare and admit that people who bomb for no reason and take innocent lives are non-muslims " , since everytime someone does suicide bombing , Muslims have to go around telling the western world that " it is against Islam and that its not Islam ". Since this pointer is not a condition when getting a new Pakistani passport, should i believe that the suicide bombing is the "islamic jihaad" according to you?

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His name was Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS. The awaited Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi. His name doesnt have the name "kazaab" with Him so you might want to save that for some of your beloved Mullahs. I feel sorry for myself when i cannot reply you with such disgusting reply, because my markaz e Ishq is the beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Since you love Him SAW too ( i believe ), i do not like to have an argument with you regarding His AS death. You people will never be reformed, as long as the shadow of these Mullahs are above you. You people will never be able to think from your own brain and will believe every single word your Mullah tells you. In 7th Chapter of Quran , Allah says " Those who are blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter also " I believe it's the 177th verse (correct me if im wrong).

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Listen my dear Alaah never let down his prophet ...... Why he alter the concept of Hazrat Eesa ..... All the previous Ummah Schlors are false ??? ... please read something with open eyes and mind about his social life .... he was a dirty man in character ....

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Pardon me? Allah of Isa AS was the same Allah we believe in. Why was Isa AS given such hardship from jews? why was he put on the cross? Where was Allah then? Where was Allah when people of Quraysh used to throw stones at our Prophet PBUH? Does it mean Allah left them all by themselves?

Why He AS altered the concept of Hazrat Eesa.. well, probably the reason why Isa AS altered the concept of the coming of Elijah AS as John the Baptist? Was all the scholars wrong? yes, maybe just the way how all Jewish people were wrong till the arrival of Isa AS amongst them.

Again, were the scholars wrong? Let me ask you...according to you .. are scholars more knowledgable or the Imam Mahdi AS who will be divinly guided?

You have no right to label anyone 'dirty'. Let Allah be the judge. Your very own scholars fail to label him as dirty man.. no one could point a single finger at His social life , and here you are saying He AS was dirty in character. Fear Allah, As to Him we shall all return.

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Again, you fail to understand what Im saying. Forecasting of the coming Messenger and accepting His words to be the last are two totally different things. Prophet Muhammad SAW gotten the last words of Allah to humankind and Jesus AS still sitting at the 4th heaven, waiting to come down to accept Islam. When someone else claims that He AS is given the title of Messiah, and talk to you with Quran and Hadith, He AS is non-muslim but when Jesus AS will say the same thing, I wonder how many people will believe Him?

PS: I never knew when the Quranic verses are no more effective for you to prove ur stance, you also bring mr albert Einstein in the debate too. Very nice apprach, i must say.

Question : Will Jesus AS be born again or He AS according to your belief will really literally come down to heavens with the same body that He AS had 2000+ years ago? Thats a genuine question, please reply. Thanks.

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Yae aaik top level ka Gumrah shaks hai dear … Batoon ka kia hai … dekhoo koi kaam ki logic hai iski batoon main … tum looog apnay religion koo khud too theek say jantay nahi … pata hai tumharay basics sub Allah nai with live proof wrong sabit kar diyae thay … you are far away from Islam … pata hi nahi kuch tumko

Any ways Ahmadiyat aaik fitna hai … Allah sub ko iss shur-e-azeen say bachayae …

Agar tumko phir bhi aqal nahi aati tooo AK sheikh say hi kuch sabaq seekh loo … uski videoes youtube per available hain … kash k tum jahalut ki duldul say nikal aao …

bayhiss loogoooon … by god agar unawareness ka koi extreme number hota tooo wo bhi kum hai … bataoo zara …koi tumhain samjhayae …

k jub basics wrong hoon … origin predictid hoo … key person ka character aur ilhamaat wrong hoon … … Rohani khazaiin parhoo aur check karoo k Mirza Kazab ko Allah nai kaisay ruswa ki tha … Magar tum kahan samjhoo geee … tum too samajhtay hoo k tum theek rastay per hoo aur hum loog gumrah hain … sun rakhoo k hamain iss fitnay aur iss tarhann kay 20 aur fitnoon ki khabar 100 years pehlay mill chukii hai …

aab bataoo k tum foolish loog hoo k hum … bunda thoori aqal bhi use kar layta hai … tum loogoon ki hamaqatoon per khoon khoolta hai …

acha bataooo kia khidmut ki Ahmadiyut nai Islam kii …bolo … oo bawaqoofoon yae chanda Islam main nahi hai kaheen … Islam main Zakat ka system hai jo aap kisi ko khud say dayy saktay hain … na k khaleefa kooo …

bataoo Jehaad ko Islam nai pasand kia hai … aaj kul USA nai hamaray wala style apnaya hua hai … Ahmadiyut Jehaad ko kion off karti hai ??? … kia Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) nai jehaad nahi kia tha ??? aab tumharay pass jo knowledge feeding hui hai … uss main pata nahi tumhain kia bataya gia hai … I dont know

Oh …hudd too yahan hai k kisi Prophet nai kia knbhi yae kaha k mera bayta aisa hoo ga jaisay khuda aasman say … naoozobillah … yae kaha tha uss maloon Mirza nai …

Acha kia kisi prophet nai yae kaha k Allah nai Rajooliyut ka izhar kia ??? … yae tumharay Mirza maloon nai kaha … sharam aati hai uski bateen likhtay huvay bhi … tum pata nai kion nahi parhatay apni books koo!!!

tumhari base yae hai k Ahadeeth ki books sub erong hain … bus mujhay aaik baat bata doo k Mirza maloon saay pehlay kia millions of persons nai inko check nahi kia … wo maloon tha k jis ko in sub main nuks nazar aaya …

Aap loogoon ki misal aisi hai jaisay Quran main bataii hai k … Andhay hain behray hain , goongay hain …

I suggest you Kabhi islam ki taleemaat parhooo … phir aap ko feel hoo gaa k aap ko kia bataya jaa raha hai …

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Dear poppet kuch khud ghor karren apni baat per .... last then again after last ... what the joke it is ??? lolz

kabhi tum Allama Iqball kay proof daytay hoo kabhi aap loog unkay son kay .... are they Islamic Schlors????
kids ki sii bateen hain aap loogoon kii ... sun sun kar hansii aati hai ....

anyways we see you people in absolute ignorance .....

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Nope, infact, Muslims were aggressive, they send armies to defeat them and two of the so-called prophet i.e. Muslima Kazab & Sajah Al-Kahenah, aliened their forces to face muslim army.

There was Aswad Al-Ansi, who also claimedprophet-hood in the life-time of Prophet (SAAW), and order of his assasination was issued by the Prophet (SAAW). Infact, After the death of Prophet (SAAW), this was the only good news which came to Madina that, Aswad Al-Ansi has been assassinated.

The only reason Muslima was tolerated, is, Muslims were busy in the campaigns against the Roman empire and muslima was not a big force by any means, so he they can afford to have him around... anyway that strategy of the Armies..

Coming to the point, where Muslima and Aswad Al-Ansi claimed prophet-hood in the life time of Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), did Aswad or Muslima was called by the Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) to discuss it???

there were times when more than one Prophet was sent to people, these Prophets (AS) used to endorse each other, Prophet Loot (AS) and Prophet Ibrahim (AS) can be quoted as example. but we didn't see such kind of Attitude by the Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), infact he said, there is not going to be an prophet after me.. and yes he said that there'll be some Dajaals claiming prophet-hood, stead fast to the Quran and Hadees, ( i have quoted the hadees earlier in this thread)...

So back to the question.. with little ammendment

Why didn't Prophet (SAAW) had discussion with Muslima and Aswad Al-Ansi, as they both declared prophet-hood in the life of Prophet (SAAW), niether HE (SAAW) gave any instructions in this matte???

Why Did companions of Prophet (SAAW), straight away slained these Dajaals??

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I'll not discuss other points ( regarding the knowledge of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan and Illam Iqbal as it may divert the topic from what you have asked)

So the answer of the question is

Pakistan is the country, founded for the Muslims, the foundation of Pakistan is Islam and not any other religion. As a result you can see, Muslims are in Majority. Pakistan have never claimed to be a Secular state, so preaching another religion is out of Question. It is like, can anyone preach Islam in Israel???
Now it still can be considered, but the way Qadyanies preach their religion are awkward. for example, they start with , "we are muslims..." this is where normal Pakistani muslim get offended, as how come, they be Muslims, they are Qadyanies, why don't like qadyanies start their preaching with, "we are Qadyanies.." and then tell everyone about their religion and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, but for some obvious reason they are not doing it... why??? can you tell me this!!!

Qadyaniat if it is true and divine religion, then it shouldn't be hiding itself, it should be open to every one, .. but as i said, the Qadyanies for some reason do not practice this, they work under the veil of Islam...

here in this forum, Qadyanies are insisting that they should be called muslims, why??? we muslims are those who believe that Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) was the last prophet and anyone after Him, claiming prophet-hood is Dajaal, a liar, an impostor...So why don't you select and adopt the name of Ahmadi or Qadyani for your self.. why insist to be Muslim??? and then preach qadyaniyat...

Anyway, little note for you, Qadyanies, are not in that big number, nor they are only one who follow some false prophet and survived, Beha'i are example of the same.. anyway there are two more guys in todays world, 1) Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi 2) some one called Jasim, from former Yugosolavia each claimed to be Mahdi.... so what do you think of them??? is the claim true!!!

PS: I do not believe in Any Imam Mehdi, nor believe in such personality will effect my belief as a Muslim

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Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

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You people really need an "educated" scholars for yourself, who dont just have religious background in Islam but have some knowlege
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WELL you do not know for a fact what is Dr isrars knowledge is regarding Ahmadi ppl!!!!! may be he has seen ur prayer or read ur books.

the excerpt was from dr israr's article whom** you** were qouting that he admitted this and that abt mirza ghulam. i was showing you that all the scholars say ahmadis are non muslims after mirza sh started showing his true colours. he may have started as good but then he started thinking of himself as prophet or mehdi or krishna or jesus or shadow....even he seemed confused . perhaps if he lived longer we wud have heard his claim to be god!!!! who knows!

Ummah unanimously considers ahmadis non muslims thats why u are not allowed to enter macca and madina. these two cities are meant for muslims only. there are boads announcing "muslims only". before the boundries of these holy cities. of course ppl can lie and some must be able to enter.

and i do not know why they dont stop suicide bombers from entering holy cities,,, may be bcz they have committed suicide???????? i do not make rules and i totally disagree with bombings and killing innocents and killing of ahmadis also as this is not Islam. lets start a petition to include this question in passports also. i will sign first. ashab and prophets did not go around killing non believers. ok. i do not approve of killing of innocents. the minorities are supposed to have protection. but that does not give them right to preach and claim to be muslims.

einstien comment was meant for you only...nothing religion related. bcz i feel u have closed mind where nothing enters or comes out. u keep going around and around in circles.

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Whoever doesnt agree with your scholar is automatically labelled a non-Muslim

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that is what you are doing too isnt it???????

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because my markaz e Ishq is the beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

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ahem! with defective or wrong knowledge of His(p.b.u.h) life>
i think u praise mirza more than anyone else.( i dont mind you doing that though)
personally i do not care if you keep ur beliefs. but i hope someone will read the truth and avoid the trap of qadiyaniat.

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Just becoz u are acting dumb doesnt make my post senseless. I dont claim that Ibrahim A.s or Musa A.s were illiterate. But my claim is that they didnt learn to read and rite from some scholar of time. Just becuase Mirza doesnt reach the status of Prophets a.s doesnt mean you have to bring the status of other Prophets down; so u could compare em with Mirza.
To end my Argument i simply ask u to name one Prophet who went to scholar of time to learn ? to my Understanding Prophets are sent to teach not learn.

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Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

OKKK

So as everyone is going on every direction and Mod is not issuing any warnings I guess will be well all right in going off topic and start my own discussion..

Also I gave a whole week to some guys to come up with replies but no answers...

I will start on topic of Death of Jesus A.S (unless someone objects)?

hasn't it been long ....
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Very 'sensible' post I must say. and when i say sensible, i feel like laughing, but thats a different story. Anyhow, lets go over it again.. you seem to be losing it my friend. Lets take one by one what you are saying.

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Nope, infact, Muslims were aggressive, they send armies to defeat them and two of the so-called prophet i.e. Muslima Kazab & Sajah Al-Kahenah, aliened their forces to face muslim army.

There was Aswad Al-Ansi, who also claimedprophet-hood in the life-time of Prophet (SAAW), and order of his assasination was issued by the Prophet (SAAW). Infact, After the death of Prophet (SAAW), this was the only good news which came to Madina that, Aswad Al-Ansi has been assassinated.

The only reason Muslima was tolerated, is, Muslims were busy in the campaigns against the Roman empire and muslima was not a big force by any means, so he they can afford to have him around... anyway that strategy of the Armies..

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Let me give you a little Islamic teachings if i may. In Islam, ghaddaari ki saza qatal. Muslimah and other people you talked about claimed to be prophet in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. They were killed because they raised army against Muslim Ummah. My friend, this is the 100th time im repeating myself. Prophet I said can come but only amongst the the Shariyah Muhammad PBUH brought. I have been saying that for so long now. This is the stance of Ahmadiyya jamaat. Anyone claiming to be Prophet and cancel the shariyah of Muhammad PBUH and bring His own is certainly a liar and kazaab. No doubt about it. Muslimah and others u talked about claimed their own prophethood and raised army against Muslims. In return, campaigns were launched and they were killed. This proves they were lying and hence goes exactly what Allah says, that if someone claimed to be sent by me and is actually lying, He cut off his throat.(kill him). As we see with the claim of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS, Allah helped Him in every way and look at where His Jamaat is standing now. Alhumdulillah.

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Coming to the point, where Muslima and Aswad Al-Ansi claimed prophet-hood in the life time of Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), did Aswad or Muslima was called by the Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) to discuss it???

there were times when more than one Prophet was sent to people, these Prophets (AS) used to endorse each other, Prophet Loot (AS) and Prophet Ibrahim (AS) can be quoted as example. but we didn't see such kind of Attitude by the Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), infact he said, there is not going to be an prophet after me.. and yes he said that there'll be some Dajaals claiming prophet-hood, stead fast to the Quran and Hadees, ( i have quoted the hadees earlier in this thread)...

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Like i said, they claimed prophethood when it is clear that shariyah of Muhammad PBUH is now the last. None other prophet now can come to cancel this shariah.

You seem to be twisting words. So you say a dajjal is someone who claim to be prophet but is a liar? that to you is dajaal?

Hazrat Ayesha RA, said ( as im not quoting but you will know the hadith if u search for it ).. that Indeed call Muhammad PBUH to be the last prophet but do not say that there is not going to be a prophet after Him.

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So back to the question.. with little ammendment

Why didn't Prophet (SAAW) had discussion with Muslima and Aswad Al-Ansi, as they both declared prophet-hood in the life of Prophet (SAAW), niether HE (SAAW) gave any instructions in this matte???

Why Did companions of Prophet (SAAW), straight away slained these Dajaals?
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Prophet SAW didnt have discussions with Muslima because they raised army against Muslims. You are admitting this yourself. Muslims as u said earlier " sent army" to defeat the army of Muslimah. Hence they were liars and got the punishment for lying. In islam there is no room for traitors. If you are caught doing such, you are to be killed, or so i heard.

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I'll not discuss other points ( regarding the knowledge of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan and Illam Iqbal as it may divert the topic from what you have asked)

So the answer of the question is

Pakistan is the country, founded for the Muslims, the foundation of Pakistan is Islam and not any other religion. As a result you can see, Muslims are in Majority. Pakistan have never claimed to be a Secular state, so preaching another religion is out of Question. It is like, can anyone preach Islam in Israel???

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You have nothing to talk about regarding the knowledge of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS. You have not read any of his books. Period.

Pakistan is the country founded for the Muslims, ( I believe when u said Muslims, you meant all sorts of Muslims ..all 72 sects , within them, some believe La Ilaaha Illallahu Muhammadur Rasoolullah ), If that is what you meant then count Ahmadi Muslims in it too please. Second of all, ok fine, it was founded for Muslims but the founder of this "Muslim" country himself is saying that whoever is the citizen of this nation is free to practice anything in terms of religion. You are free to go to temple, mosque, church or guduwara. I hope as you read the stuff about foundation of Pakistan, you must have read the advice given to you people by this founder.

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Now it still can be considered, but the way Qadyanies preach their religion are awkward. for example, they start with , "we are muslims..." this is where normal Pakistani muslim get offended, as how come, they be Muslims, they are Qadyanies, why don't like qadyanies start their preaching with, "we are Qadyanies.." and then tell everyone about their religion and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, but for some obvious reason they are not doing it... why??? can you tell me this!!!

Qadyaniat if it is true and divine religion, then it shouldn't be hiding itself, it should be open to every one, .. but as i said, the Qadyanies for some reason do not practice this, they work under the veil of Islam...

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Bunch of B.S. Call them Ahmadis, if not ahmadi Muslims. Not by any other name. I'd appreciate that.

Have you ever came across someone who claimed to be Jew but is preaching about what Jesus AS teachings are? Why shud we call ourselves someone other than Muslims and then preach Islam? This doesnt make sense at all. We would say We are Ahmadis, and then the moment we start "preaching" our beliefs, they'll know its the "Muslims" teachings they are teaching. Hence we reject to be called anyone else but Muslims first and then the beliefs we hold make us Ahmadi Muslims. The religion as i said before is Islam. This is what we have always preached. Its people like you who have problem when we spread the name of Allah in places in Africa where they never heard about the Holy Book Quran.

Trust me when I say Ahmadiyya jamaat is not hiding. You people threatend us to move out of countries where we get more protection in terms of our lives. Today if you take out the law from the Pakistani gov't that Ahmadis are Muslims, you will see the kalima taiyyaba written in every Ahmadi Muslims mosques.

Hazrat Muhammad PBUH's earlier companions used to pray in hidden places as well.. Ahmadiyyat is an open invitation to everyone. This is the true Islam as i have always said. Go to jalsa salaana UK, USA,Canada,India,Bangladesh or whichever else country you think you wanna go to .. and see how many people are accepting Islam e Ahmadiyya. People from all age group, gender, race, religion and coming under one banner which claims that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad PBUH is His Messenger. It is only unfortunate countries like Pakistan where Ahmadis are not allowed to be open, or else who really loves to hide their own beliefs?

Speaking of this issue, I thought of this hadith (perhaps you may find it if u search for it, but i just write it in my own words ), that Muhammad PBUH said that there will be a time when momin will hide their Imaan.

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here in this forum, Qadyanies are insisting that they should be called muslims, why??? we muslims are those who believe that Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) was the last prophet and anyone after Him, claiming prophet-hood is Dajaal, a liar, an impostor...So why don't you select and adopt the name of Ahmadi or Qadyani for your self.. why insist to be Muslim??? and then preach qadyaniyat...

Anyway, little note for you, Qadyanies, are not in that big number, nor they are only one who follow some false prophet and survived, Beha'i are example of the same.. anyway there are two more guys in todays world, 1) Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi 2) some one called Jasim, from former Yugosolavia each claimed to be Mahdi.... so what do you think of them??? is the claim true!!!
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The five pillars of Islam doesnt require one to belive Muhammad PBUH to be the last as last in your sense. Heck the kalima as we only speak about it doesnt even say to admit Him SAW to be the last.. and even if it had , we would have still taken that word to mean 'the perfect' or the "the most exhaulted". dont reject your own beliefs just to prove Ahmadiyyat wrong. Think with cool minded that Imam Mehdi AS has to be given the title of prophet. He AS will be coming as a Muhammad PBUH servent, He's got to be divinly guided my friend.

Ok. So there have been people claiming to be Imam Mahdi AS. Its a serious problem for you guys, why asking us what we think about it. Its now up to you who u think is the one sent by Allah. We accepted Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS to be Imam Mahdi AS and yet you are still waiting.

To us, they are liars. Allah has not shown anything in favour of them. Solar and Lunar eclipses were the heavenly sings only to be shown for Imam Mahdi, which were shown when Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS claimed to be Imam Mahdi. Next, their jamaat ( if any ) would not be as organized as jamaat e Ahmadiyya. Next, they have no system of Khilafat. Next, none of them defended Islam ( killing swine and breaking the cross ) against Christianity the way Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS did. There are many other reasons why they cant be the one prophecised.

Anyway, as i said, it is none of our problem now. We accepted who we had to. Its now your turn to make up your mind. In fact, it should be fair if I ask you what you think of them. No?

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PS: I do not believe in Any Imam Mehdi, nor believe in such personality will effect my belief as a Muslim
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So, you are still going to be eaten by cat even if you close your eyes. I could also say that believing in anyone after Prophet Muhammad PBUH will not going to effect my belief as a "MUSLIM"

Talk about when we call you non-muslim , you feel offended? When you are clearly the one rejecting the hadiths? How amazing is that? really!

Questions from returning officers are a joke to election processs l
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Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

Lagay rahoo Ahmadiyo ............ kisi jaga kay visit karnay say wahan tumhara Deen phail nahi jayae gaaa ....

Mirza Ghulam ahmad Qadiani Kazab iss waqt Jahanum main azab-e-musalsal seh raha hai .... tum bhi tiyar hoo kar jaooo .... bcoz hum too tum koo bata bata kar aajiz aa gayae .... tumharay minds ko Allah nai seal kar dia hoo goya ....

kash k tum jahanum say bach sakooo .....

Allah nai uss kazab ki zindagi aur baad main khuli nishaniyan deen .... magar Allah Insaaf karta hai ... jo ilum us nai seekha ..wo uskay liyae nafeh na hua ... dunya main usko aaik garoh too daay dia Allah nai ...magar aaikhirut main sakth maar hai uss per ..... azab-e-musalsul ......

Mr. Popat ...tum too sensible lagtay hooo ... main aur kuch nahi kahta ... sirf yae k apni books parhooo ... khud say koi bhi .... dekhoo uss main mirza mardood nai kia kia daway kiyae ...Allah ko sath milla kay .... Allah nai sub ghalut kiyae ....

Allah kabhi apnay prophet ko jhootha nahi karta ... magar mirza kay case main mamila hi ulut tha .... Allah nai uski hur baat ulut ki .... bataooo tum aab bhi irray rahooo gay jahalut per ??????

Wo shaks jo khuli nishaniyoun per bhi ghoor na karay ... Zalim hai woo

Hamain kia bura tha k hum Mehdi AS ko na mantay ... kia hum aqal nahi rakhtay??? haan magar jo Mirza tha usmain koi aisi baat nahi thee k koi usko Allah ki taraf say bayja hua samjhay ....

Wo too aaik behka hua (Aalim-e-soo) tha .... jis ko khuda nai dunya mai day dia joo dayna tha ....

Please apni books parhooo ................ khud ko iss jahalut say bachaooooo

yar kabhi kisi prophet nai khud ko Allah kaha (Astagfirullah)? ?

kia kisi prophet nai apnay son ko Allah kaha (Astagfirullah)?

kia kisi nai kabhi Allah per Rajooliyat ka ilzam lagaya (Astagfirullah... naoozobillah)?

Jahalut ki hud hoti hai .... afsoos hai tum loogoon per .... tum loog sareeh ghaliti main hoo ... kash k apni aankheen khooloo

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Ahmadi fitna ilmi fitna hai ... batooon ki logics ka fitna hai ... ult seedh ... chakar ... jasoosii ... aur jin ko nahi pata woo sun lain ....

Quran bhi change kia hai in zalimoon nai .... inkay Aaik khalifa nai Admit kia tha ... on record hai .....

Mr. Popat tum apni books read karoo with neutral mind phir baat karooo ... pata tumko kuch hai nahi ... reality aur facts samnay rakhoo ....

kia waja hai k Ahmadi loog after 50 Muslims ho jatay hain ..??? bataooo .... reason yahi hai k wo jub sub parakh laytay hain too inkaar mushkil hoo jata hai .... bus farq itna parta hai k wo CHANDA phir wapis nahi hota ....

sun rakhoo Chanday say tumko Jannat ki Guarantee nahi milnay wali !!!

Allah kay ahkamaat ko Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) ki taleemaat kay mutabiq guzarooo ............ Allah ki yae requirement hai ...bus ..... tum loogoon nai too dunya ko sub kuch samajh rakha hai .....

plannings youn hai jaisay ... hur qadiani ko 1000 years jeena hooo .... Hansi aati hai tum loogoon per ...

Kash k tum kabhi apni books ko khud aankheen khool kar hi parh looo ... bataoo kia yae bhi mushkil hai tumharay liyae???

Qiamut main hum tumko yaad karaeen gay ... phir tum loog roooo gay k hum ko kisi nai bataya hota ......

main kisi aur ki books nahi kah raha parhnay kooo .... tum loogoon ki apni .... Mirza kazab ki apni books .... kia yae bhi difficult hai tumharay liyae ????????

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72 sects ki baat kiss base per kartay hoo tum loog .... kahan hain 72 sects abhi ??? zara count too karoo...

api ittelah kay lliyae aarz hai k abhi too 20 bhi nahi hain .... aap loog bhi aaik sect hoo ... abhi aur aaeen gay Mirza kazab ki tarhaan .... bcoz we clearly see Mirza nai fitna shuroo kar dia hai yae ....

bataoo kia agar koi aab kahay k main new prophet hoon too inkaar kar sakoo gay tum looog??? ... bataoo naaa ... bcoz tumharay mutabiq too new prophet aa saktay hain ....???

haan yae hota rahay gaa ... jhoothay loog sects banatay raheen gay aur bawaqoof loog follow kartay raheen gay ... aaik sect jo bachay gee wo unloogoon ki ho gii ...jo kaheen gay Allah kay last Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) thay ........... samajh main aai kuch baat ???

Hopefully nahi ........... anayways ... koi interest nahi hamara k tum manoo ya na manoo ...