What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

Society Religion & Philosophy
201

Peace test01

My point is quite clear ... I don't believe there is abuse towards a community voiced in the Qur'an such as you say. I believe you are mistaken. This is my point no research needed unless I can be shown otherwise.

Definitely not heard of a prophet being abusive anyway. Is it true that Mirza Sahib has been swearing at his opponents?

~~Foodie Food~~
202

oooohhhh GUESS WAT… all the counter arguments and replies to the TS made by Ahmedis disappeared from that link … isnt this weird or what… and all there is left is allegation … :konfused:

wats the point of going through this link if half of the stuff is removed … :naraz:

The Random Thread
203

We can have a very solid, healthy conversation on that issue :slight_smile:

Mirza saab did some lose talk and unfortunately left buncha evidence :stuck_out_tongue:

Election 2013
204

Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

hey did u read the books from which the TS (of the link you provided) is taking out ???

205

Yeh, was very actively exploring these issues around 4-5 years ago. I don't have any of those anymore. Alhumdulillah I was able to convince several people from getting deviated and since then I have been busy with life.

206

no no i didnt ask you abt the ISSUES… i asked you if read the whole book for real ??? :eek:

207

Please provide the verse .. i am sure you cannot...

So another lie or may be to you, saying of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is Quran.. in that case u r rite.. very religion have its book, i guess Ahmadi have saying of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan as its divine book..

Interracial marriage - would/did you do it?
208

LOL

Lafaazi maiN tu App ko koy beat nahi ker sakta...

Why should i disagree or Agree with hadith.. i have given my understanding of the hadees.... is that so difficult for you to understand... or may be you haven't find any thing in it, which may helps you to divert the topic... typical of you....

So what's wrong with my understanding of Hadees... you never mentioned a word on it..

Now i don't know how much low you can get... is that you or teaching of ur Mirza Ghulam Ahmed...

Again let me try to make it clear to you, ( this time i am breaking the sentences, so you may get to understand it...

1) Islam does not appreciate sects or division of any kind.. ( i think there is nothing difficult in this sentence, if there is something u cannot understand, do let me know)

2) Quran is the prime source of knowledge and guidance ( again this is what all muslims believe in)

3) Ahadees on the other hand, is further explaination of Quran ( this does proves that no hadees can go against the Quran, and if there is such hadees then it is fake)

Hope above is clear to you..

Now coming to the hadees u mentioned, on which guys like you are basing their arguments and trying to misguide others...

Their is Verse

[QUOTE]
003.103 *
**YUSUFALI:* And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.
[/QUOTE]

above verse is prohibiting muslims to form differences ( Now for your understanding, it is not referred to the difference of Opinion, it is division among the muslims, where they divide based on their culture, ethinicity, tribe and believes)

and there more verses, which condemn muslims to fomr sects... keeping this Ayat ( the prime source of guidance) in mind and then reading the hadees you are talking about..

the Hadees says, there shall be 72 sects and they all go to hell... it only means that there is no room for sects in Islam and if anyone claim to be SECT of islam then he shall be the fuel of Hell.

Further elaborating the said hadees, the only people who shall enjoy the bounties of Heaven are the one who follows Quran and Sunnah. Who ever follows the two shall never go astray from the right track, who ever seeks things here and there, looking for short-cuts, looking ways to satisfy his nafs, looing for excuses to not to perfrom his duties, yes they do look for people Like Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan...

Now coming to the authenticity of this hadees, this hadees has been classified as mutawater ( as per my knowledge) so...

I know you gonna comeup with big list of questions again, as u are getting out of excuses... so if you need to ask more about this, then open a new topic...

Coming back to the Qadyaniyat, what is the difference between Nation of Islam and Qadyaniyat???

209

Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

o my God....loads to catch up...

I dont know where to start from...let me just read the bits I missed few times and then reply...lolz

210

achaa

So what is actually included in believes?

What does Muslim believes?
What does non-Muslim does not believe?
What does Kafir disbelieve?

Again going to my previous post. In 1953 Ulema sat togather to define what is Muslim and they just could not agree on things. Apart from very basic.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/6479171-post129.html

Did you view this video?

Also I posted a video regarding who is Muslim and who is Non-Muslim and some references from Dr Israr sb.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/6479544-post155.html

And coming to callling someone Kafir. How do you know someone is Kafir? How do you know what he believes and what he disbelieves.

211

Typical of urs, when have no answer this is the way to react.. carry on...

Anyway Muslima Kazab and his fellows ( among whom Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan is the latest) are the Dajjals... any idea about that hadees...

212

I think your query was well answered by post 189:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/6480785-post182.html

But unfortunetly we didnt hear any counter reply from you on those videos.

213

koi bohat hi besabre insaan ho aap...

aik baat ko khatam karne se pehel Jahova Witnesses ki tarah doosri baat pe aa jaate ho....

Celebrity pics
214

Being Moderator...I was expecting that you would be neutral.

Now if someone says anything bad to you (any side) you will just close the forum. I reccommend that you stay neutral for a fair talk.

so what you think?

P.S - The topic of the thread is fundamental believes of Ahmadies. Please stop de-railing the subject matter in hand. We still havent describe what is Muslim, Non-Muslim and believer (as we are considered non Muslim in only few countries). It is necesary to clear the facts what should be the approach to handling the topic.

Some Ahadith have been posted, some video links have been posted (i.e Dr Israr sb) which requires thorough analysis.

This has been the long tendency that one topic doesnt come to conclusion and another starts.

You cooperation in this matter will be highly appreciated.

215

hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

app key itlaá kay liya arz hay, kay woh baat waheeN khatam ker dee gayee hay.. per app kay bhi kiya kehnay, chooNkay, mudaý per baat na kerna hi app key aseel hay, issi liya idher udher bhagnay key koshish maiN haiN.. zar-e-nazr topic main Ahmadies per baat ho rahi hay ahadees per nahi... Ahadees aur ahmadiyooN ka apas maiN koy taluq hota tu Woh Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan jaisay Dajjal kay behkaway maiN app ker gum-raah na hotay....

Baqi app ju chahay keh laiN... zaatiyat per koy bhi do surtooN maiN aata hay, 1) ghaiTya khandan say taluq rakhta ho 2) dalail khatam ho chukay hooN...

app ka pata nahi.. so no comment on you...

Should India welcome all Pakistani minorities who want to leave Pakistan?
216

Again you havent replied videos posted in and made another irrelevent post.

I ll suggest viewing the videos and make a reply.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/6480785-post182.html

Your favourite ROMANTIC songs
217

jee janaab aapki baari..

kuch Urdu ki imlaa aapke saath hoo jaaye to dil baagh baagh ho jaaye.

modabaana arz hai ke mera aapke saath koi jhagra to hai nahin (na hi kisi orr ke saath hai) iss lyye aap choti moti baaton pe ghussa na khaaya karrien..wese bhi haraam chiz hai.

mozoo ki taraf.

Aap nien farmaaye: "Lafaazi maiN tu App ko koy beat nahi ker sakta..."
bohat bohat jazakllah aapka...zahe nawaazish..khaksaar ko izzat se nawaaza...ese kalmaat kam hi sunnanien ko milte hian.

Aap nien farmaaya:* "Why should i disagree or Agree with hadith.. i have given my understanding of the hadees.... is that so difficult for you to understand... or may be you haven't find any thing in it, which may helps you to divert the topic... typical of you.... "*
Janaab mien maafi chahta hoon agar aapko esa mehsoos hua ke mien muzoo ko tabdeel karne ki koshish mien mulavis hoon. mera qat'an ye maqsad nahin tha balke mien to chahta hoon ke aga aik muzoo pe baat ho rahi ho to usse sahi tarah raggar ke aggle muzoo pe jaaya jaaye.

Aap nien farmaaya: **"So what's wrong with my understanding of Hadees... you never mentioned a word on it.. **
Now i don't know how much low you can get... is that you or teaching of ur Mirza Ghulam Ahmed... "
O janaab ghussa na khaayien...mien bhi unhi taalimat pe amal karne ki koshish karta hoon jo Rasoole pak SAW nien hammien sikhai hian. shaaid mujhse aapki post parhne mien ghaliti ho gai ho...par fiqr mand na hon Inshallah abhi usske baare mien bhi kuch likh deta hoon.

Aap nien farmaaya:
"1) Islam does not appreciate sects or division of any kind.. ( i think there is nothing difficult in this sentence, if there is something u cannot understand, do let me know)
***2) Quran is the prime source of knowledge and guidance ( again this is what all muslims believe in)

3) Ahadees on the other hand, is further explaination of Quran ( this does proves that no hadees can go against the Quran, and if there is such hadees then it is fake)
"***
mien aapki iss baat se ittefaaq karta hoon. jitna hum tabqon mien battien gai utna hi kamzorr hote jaayen gai....zaati torr mujhe iss baat se koi aetraaz nahin.

Aap nien farmaaya: *"****the Hadees says, there shall be 72 sects and they all go to hell... it only means that there is no room for sects in Islam and if anyone claim to be SECT of islam then he shall be the fuel of Hell."*

kia ye aapki zaati raaye hai hadees ke baara mien ya kisi maktabe fiqr ko aap follow karr rahe hian? mere khyaal se 3 ahadeeh jo mene pesh keen hian wo kaafi clear hian ke 73 firqe hon gai...

Aap nien farmaaya: **Further elaborating the said hadees, the only people who shall enjoy the bounties of Heaven are the one who follows Quran and Sunnah. Who ever follows the two shall never go astray from the right track, who ever seeks things here and there, looking for short-cuts, looking ways to satisfy his nafs, looing for excuses to not to perfrom his duties, yes they do look for people Like Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan...**
aapka ye jumla parhne ke baad to mien issi nateeje pe pohanch sakta hoon ke aapke dil mien aik nafrat ki aag bharak rahi hai jisse mien pyar se bhujaane ki koshish karr raha hoon...dekhte hian kamyaabi hoti hai ya nahin...
aapki apni raaye hai...beshak firqa baazi khuda ko pasand nahin...par ye khuda ke Rasool SAW nien kaha hai ke 73 firqe hon gai or aik nahin kaafi kutbe ahadth se ye baat saabit hoti hai or ulema iss baat pe mutafiq hian...par ye mozoo cherna ke kon sacha hai isska ikhtyaar sirf Allah ko hai...ham sab beshak yehi kar sakte hian ke khudaa ki rassi ko mazbooti se thamien rakhien, taqwa ki raahien ikhtyaar karrien or acha insaan banane ki koshish kariren.

218

janaab e aala...agar ishq e rasool ko paana or aik esi jamaat ko hissa banana jo har waqt taqwa hi raahon pe chalne ki talqeen karti hai...esi jamaat ka hissa banana jiska aik khilfa hai or esi jamaat ka hissa banana jiska maqsad hi ishaate Islam hai or aap usse gumrah kehte hian to mere khyaal se mien gurah hi acha hoon.

219

Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

Among the signs of the Last Hour is the appearance of approximately 30 false claimants of Prophethood known as Dajjals. Since many here are trying to hide behind hadeeses, which have no relevance to the subjcct, i think it is worth while to post Ahadees regarding the Dajals the false prophets... If iam not wrong i think 26 or 27 imposrters have claimed to be Prophet / Mahdi including Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan...

[QUOTE]
Narrated Abu Hurayrah (RZA): Allah's Apostle (SAAW) said:
"The Hour will not be established until two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, until about 30 dajjals appear, and each of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle..."
(Related by Bukhari and Muslim)

[/QUOTE]
The last of these Dajjals would be the False Massiah
Once the Prophet (SAAW) said, while delivering a ceremonial speech at an occasion of a solar eclipse, as Samura son of Jundub reported:

[QUOTE]
"...Verily by God, the Last Hour will not come until 30 liars of prophecy will appear and the final one will be the One-eyed False Messiah."
(Narrated by Imam Ahmad as a sound Hadees).

[/QUOTE]
In another authentic hadees, the Prophet (SAAW) informed that of 27 dajjals, 4 of them would be women:
[INDENT] Hudaifa (RZA) narrated, that the Prophet (SAAW) said:

[QUOTE]
"In my Ummah (community/nation), there are 27 dajjals of liars, including 4 women (who will proclaim themselves Prophets). I am the last Prophet and none will come after me."
(Related by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tabrani as a sound hadees)

[/QUOTE]
[/INDENT]

220

Just for ur info, we are not discussing Ishq-e-Rasool (SAAW)....

Interracial marriage - would/did you do it?