Ahle Sunnah believe Shia to be muslims because of the correct main Aqeedah and vice versa...those who don't are ignorant.
please define there words:
Kaafir - (according to you disbeliever)
Muslim
Non-Muslim
^^ This is targetted to Christians specially Atham in reply to his absurd remarks towards character of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Sahaba (ra) in their books. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) showed Christian’s from their own scriptures from their Bible that, is this the person that they believe to be the son of God (nauzobillah)?
Following is answer to your this allegation. You will have to watch all these videos in order to correctly understand the reply.
Explanation in words of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) regarding this allegation:
please define there words:
Kaafir - (according to you disbeliever) Muslim Non-Muslim
Kaafir=disbeliever
Muslim=believer
Non-muslim=non believer
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
D Tox,
I have read a lot of ahmadi material and I am convinced Alhumdulilah that they are misguided. Indeed, this is a copy paste from a web-site, but they have done an awesome job in pointing out the shirk, blasphemy and self contradictory aqeeda Mirza sahib has propogated.
Trust me, I know many ahmadis and their aqeedah quite well.
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
Do you guys think a prophet would be cursing?
Like Maa Bhen ki galiyan?
Jus asking? ? ?
Do you guys think a prophet would be cursing?
In Quran Jews and xtians are called pigs and monkeys. You think a true prophet would curse? Answer this question yourself.
D Tox,
I have read a lot of ahmadi material and I am convinced Alhumdulilah that they are misguided.
Subhanallah what an answer.
...and your own particular brand is not considered misguided by all the other sects? What do you say to that?
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
Peace test01 and marriedsingle?
I have an idea ... let's analyse the quotes test01 brings from Qur'an and the quotes marriedsingle? brings from Mirza Sahibs writings and then we can see what all the bother is about ... so what do you think?
Peace test01 and marriedsingle?
I have an idea ... let's analyse the quotes test01 brings from Qur'an and the quotes marriedsingle? brings from Mirza Sahibs writings and then we can see what all the bother is about ... so what do you think?
I don't understand. Calling people of a religious group pigs is not offensive? Let me call your particular sect pigs.
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
^ you digress ... please bring the quote from the Qur'an ... Peace
^ you digress ... please bring the quote from the Qur'an ... Peace
I am not getting it. Are you saying there is no verse in quran mentioning pigs and monkeys in relation to jews and xtians or is your argument about the context of the verse?
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
Peace test01
What are you afraid of? You are claiming the alleged cursory style of Mirza Sahib is analogous to the calling of pigs and monkeys in the Qur'an. Please provide the verses and I have asked marriedsingle? to provide his references for his assertion. When both quotes are here we can compare them with each other. Please don't digress and provide the verses. Thanks
Peace test01
What are you afraid of?
Don’t stoop so low to indulge in this pseudo macho stuff. I have given my point now you bring yours. I have not seen your point so far.
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You are claiming the alleged cursory style of Mirza Sahib is analogous to the calling of pigs and monkeys in the Qur'an. Please provide the verses and I have asked marriedsingle? to provide his references for his assertion. When both quotes are here we can compare them with each other. Please don't digress and provide the verses. Thanks
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My claim (again) is; calling people of a religious community pigs is very offensive to that community. I don’t see how Jews who do not believe Islam or Quran to be true will accept that they can be called pigs under the pretext that it's divine word. In the end Muslims and Jews just have to agree to disagree.
Now what is your argument with that? Explain it before you start a cock fight.
This link has it better than what I could put together. http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/38782-i-have-never-abused-anyone-mirza-ghulam-ahmed.html
test01,
If you are sensible enough, please follow the context and terminology used by Mirza. There are plenty false prophecies that prove his words were nothing but rubbish.
test01,
If you are sensible enough, please follow the context and terminology used by Mirza. There are plenty false prophecies that prove his words were nothing but rubbish.
This is rich coming from someone who have liars, cheaters and murderers as their religious “scholars”. Surely a true religion has to be that of lying, cheating and murders by that standard. Can I say no thank you to this “true” religion of yours?
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
I am talking about Prophets not petty sinful individuals like myself :)
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
A "true" religion with liars, cheaters and murderers as its religious leaders...doesn’t make sense. That's my point.
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test01,
If you are sensible enough, please follow the context and terminology used by Mirza.
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Why isn't Quran good enough criteria for you? Reply to my question below.
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Do you guys think a prophet would be cursing?
In Quran Jews and xtians are called pigs and monkeys. You think a true prophet would curse? Answer this question yourself.
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Don’t stoop so low to indulge in this pseudo macho stuff. I have given my point now you bring yours. I have not seen your point so far.
Peace test01
You have indeed given your point. I want to be able to cross-examine your witness. That is why I am asking for the verses you are referring to in the point you are making. Please provide them it will save me the effort of finding them.
My claim (again) is; calling people of a religious community pigs is very offensive to that community. I don’t see how Jews who do not believe Islam or Quran to be true will accept that they can be called pigs under the pretext that it's divine word. In the end Muslims and Jews just have to agree to disagree.
Now what is your argument with that? Explain it before you start a cock fight.
I see how it can be very offensive to call a community pigs. So you think Jews don't become Muslim well that for one is not true at all. Those who do must see the Qur'an as the Divine Word, but they probably don't interpret the verses you are talking about in the same way you are doing, but you see I can't make my mind up without seeing them. This is no cock fight ... simple question .... that is all it is.
By the way I hope you are not referring to the passages that narrate about a community of Jews who were turned into monkeys. That would not be the same thing.
Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?
Search for the relevant terms swine, pig etc in any search engine. Don't make others do the work for you.
Apart from that I have no idea what you are talking about. I am guessing you are jumping to some conclusions in your mind but I can't be sure until you elaborate. I don't want to waste time in going in circles so I'll wait for you to make a solid point after you have made your research.