Wedding in Moharram

[Captain1]

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@ehsan

I was working in Iran for nearly two years and I noticed that contrary to the traditions in the sub continent the Iranians only observed the 10th Muharram as the day of mourning. The rest of the days were normal and even marriages took place during that time. I was there from 1977 to 1979 during the Khomeini revolution.

Mashallah se Muslims in subcontinent have tendency to take everything to a ‘new extreme’, look at each sect

[imranjaff]

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@Captain1

Mashallah se Muslims in subcontinent have tendency to take everything to a ‘new extreme’, look at each sect

[Ripper]

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@Fraudz

why is the whole month tragic?

Fraudz, Imam Hussain a.s. retreated to Makkah but Yazeedi forces followed the Imam a.s. there as well. The Imam a.s. being fully aware of the sanctity of Makkah left the city and headed towards Kerbala. After arriving in Kerbala water supply was cut for three days! On 10th of Muharram Yazeedi forces had the Imam a.s. and his faithful companions slaughtered. But that was by no means the end of tragedies for his family. The women, children and the Imam's a.s. only surviving son were taken prisoners and taken to Yazeed's court. Because of this the whole month is tragic.

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and why are other months of tragedies not important?
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Was anyone in the history of Islam more ruthlessly slaughtered? It wasnt a war. It was murder. Thousands against seventy? Water cut of for three days? The Imam a.s. watched his son die in his arms. This is the most poignant chapter of the history of Islam. Moreover, it was the grandson of the Holy Prophet(saw). The leader of the youth of paradise. The so called "muslims" slaughtered the grandson of the Prophet(saw) they claimed to follow. Curse by upon them.

Its quite simple. This was a tragic event. The whole ummah recognizes it as a tragic event. Shias and Sunnis alike. If a person cant resist celebrating at this tragic event then I have nothing more to add.

[Ripper]

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@Fraudz

I have no intention of getting married again so it dunn apply to me anymore. I am all for making sure that I maage realistic expectations and respect reasonable sensitivities of others. I just dont like it being put forth as some religious edict. Its only personal preference, that is it.

Yes it is not a religious thing. Ok, answer something for me will you? What would you call a person who weds at his mother death anniversary? Now dont give me the "three days mourning stuff". Its natural. Every remembers their deceased beloved at their anniversary. Would a son want to wed at the anniversary?

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Ripper

Yes it is not a religious thing. Ok, answer something for me will you? What would you call a person who weds at his mother death anniversary? Now dont give me the “three days mourning stuff”. Its natural. Every remembers their deceased beloved at their anniversary. Would a son want to wed at the anniversary?

good so we are clear that there is no religious precedence.

what about grand mother, what about great great garnd mother. How many days will u avoid? and we are not talking teh day here we are talkign entire month…soon u will run out of months would u not, does wedding in a month when u had a loss belittle your feelings towards those that were lost?

and then the point, would you do it on your fathers death anniv, how about your brothers, your child’s? hmmm

why are the timings if other tragedies not off limits for entire months then? or Imam hussein more important than the prophet?

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Ripper

Fraudz, Imam Hussain a.s. retreated to Makkah but Yazeedi forces followed the Imam a.s. there as well. The Imam a.s. being fully aware of the sanctity of Makkah left the city and headed towards Kerbala. After arriving in Kerbala water supply was cut for three days! On 10th of Muharram Yazeedi forces had the Imam a.s. and his faithful companions slaughtered. But that was by no means the end of tragedies for his family. The women, children and the Imam’s a.s. only surviving son were taken prisoners and taken to Yazeed’s court. Because of this the whole month is tragic.

Was anyone in the history of Islam more ruthlessly slaughtered? It wasnt a war. It was murder. Thousands against seventy? Water cut of for three days? The Imam a.s. watched his son die in his arms. This is the most poignant chapter of the history of Islam. Moreover, it was the grandson of the Holy Prophet(saw). The leader of the youth of paradise. The so called “muslims” slaughtered the grandson of the Prophet(saw) they claimed to follow. Curse by upon them.

Its quite simple. This was a tragic event. The whole ummah recognizes it as a tragic event. Shias and Sunnis alike. If a person cant resist celebrating at this tragic event then I have nothing more to add.

I know the events of karbala well so no real need to explain.

there are other events in the history of islam that are poignant, the loss of prophets sos, Qasi and abdullah, his grief at that, him being attacked brutally in taif etc. As I stated before, he is the most important person and thus his sufferings are important. why are they not recognized as such…one can make the same issue with the time the prophet went to taif and was attacked, its not as if he was okay the ext day he was injured and deat with it, what about his passing, what about that month of loss for us. The prophet’s grandson, as important as he is, is not close to being as important as the prophet.

so yeah people show their reverence, its has no religious basis, people do matam with chains, knives and god knows what, no religious precedence for that either, and someone who does not do it is not a better muslim. same goes for a wedding in muharram, there is no precedence and if someone wants to feel better about their musalmaniyat by forcing themselves to abide by some preferences or just keeping up appearances, then what can be said about that.

so if people want to have their events during muharram lets not look down on them with a holier than thou attitude and pass around your personal preferences as some sort of social, moral or religious obligation.

'nuff said

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Captain1

Mashallah se Muslims in subcontinent have tendency to take everything to a ‘new extreme’, look at each sect

join hizb e hulla gulla and the only extreme that we have his over indulgence in dawah, errrrr party

[Ripper]

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@Fraudz

good so we are clear that there is no religious precedence.

. Absolutely. Nikah is valid on 10th of Muharram. Yar nikah is also valid after 10 minutes of ones mother's death.

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what about grand mother, what about great great garnd mother.
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. Point is that we remember those near to us and beloved. And Im quite confident that the Prophet(saw) and His(saw) family are a bit more important than our grand grand grand fathers. Do you not believe so?

As far as the whole month being tragic is concerned, its quite simple. If God forbid my uncle dies I would be sad for what length of time? 10 days? 20 days? whatever...but his children might well be sad for the whole month. Point is, his children hold him very dear. Afterall he was their father. But he was only my uncle.

And no, I do not hold Imam Hussain a.s. greater than the Holy Prophet(saw). Imam Hussain a.s. has his a.s. importance because of his a.s. association to the Prophet(saw). He is afterall the beloved grandson of the Prophet(saw). Leader of the youth of the paradise. I love the Prophet(saw) and His(saw) family more dear than myself, my parents, my grand parents and my grand grand grand.....parents.

[Ripper]

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Fraudz, the day Hakumatay Pakistan announces other " poignant tragedies of Islam " as a national holiday as the 10th Muharram, I will readily commemorate them.

[armughal]

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@Ripper

So? Maybe turks or arabs or indonesians find it “ok” to celebrate at the commemoration of Imam Hussein a.s. the beloved grandson of The Prophet(saw) they follow.

Most people in subcontinent avoid it because they see it incongruous to celebrate at the commemoration of a tragic event.

As I said before some people dont forget their parents and their Prophet’s(saw) family.

some of the prophets and some of the members of the family of the prophet (saw) and his companions died in all the months…

so u stop marrying in all those months???

dont marry in rabiulawwal, the prophet (saw) died in this month…
dont marry in the month Fatima (ra) died, or Ali (ra) or Hassan (ra) or any of the imams…

this is pathetic logic…

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Ripper

Fraudz, the day Hakumatay Pakistan announces other " poignant tragedies of Islam " as a national holiday as the 10th Muharram, I will readily commemorate them.

so now its also the doing of govt of pakistan?

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Ripper

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And no, I do not hold Imam Hussain a.s. greater than the Holy Prophet(saw). Imam Hussain a.s. has his a.s. importance because of his a.s. association to the Prophet(saw). He is afterall the beloved grandson of the Prophet(saw). Leader of the youth of the paradise. I love the Prophet(saw) and His(saw) family more dear than myself, my parents, my grand parents and my grand grand grand…parents.

so by your own logic one should not be getting married in rabi ul awal because if the prophet is more important and thus themonth of his passing is a bigger loss than any other loss, or all other losses put together.

[Ripper]

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@armughal

some of the prophets and some of the members of the family of the prophet (saw) and his companions died in all the months....

so u stop marrying in all those months????

dont marry in rabiulawwal, the prophet (saw) died in this month.... dont marry in the month Fatima (ra) died, or Ali (ra) or Hassan (ra) or any of the imams....

this is pathetic logic....

I believe everybody agrees that marrying on 10th of Muharram would inappropriate. Shias hold the entire month of Muharram as tragic because adversities continued to befall the family of the Imam a.s. even after 10th of Muharram. What is so pathetically illogical about that? Shias opt not hold any celebrations at this tragic event. Illogical?

[Ripper]

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@Fraudz

so by your own logic one should not be getting married in rabi ul awal because if the prophet is more important and thus themonth of his passing is a bigger loss than any other loss, or all other losses put together.

Had the Holy Prophet(saw) been surrounded by power hungry animals, deprived of water for three and his(saw) family members ruthlessly slaughtered one by one, by God I would have abstained from any celebrations. That does not mean I do not hold the Prophet(saw) important. In fact we love the Imam a.s. because they were the beloved the Prophet(saw). Association is again with the Prophet(saw). But the Prophet's(saw) death was a natural death, not a murder.

[Ripper]

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@Fraudz

so now its also the doing of govt of pakistan?

The government of Pakistan seems to agree with me. They declare 9th and 10th of Muharram as national holidays. Turn on the TV that day and see what the news have to say. " 10th of Muharram being observed with due respect and religious zeal ". Nearly all Tv channel stop their background Music. The govt of Pakistan does not do this on any other " tragic event in the history of Islam ". Have they forgotten Badr, Uhud, Khaibbar, the incident of Taif? Maybe the govt does not love the Prophet(saw) and his faithful companions(ra).

So lets wrap it up shall we? This thread would be closed pretty soon I believe.
I believe everybody agrees that celebrating on the 10th of Muharram would be highly inappropriate. However some go on to extend it to the whole month. Its their choice.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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^ good so if we are going to take govt of Pakistan's example then its just the 10th. case closed?
and the suffering of thr prophet has no meaning for anyone.

okay then.

[Ripper]

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@Fraudz

^ good so if we are going to take govt of Pakistan's example then its just the 10th. case closed?

Yeh because the suffering reached its zenith on 10th of Muharram. The adversities continued however. So yeh clase closed :) peace

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and the suffering of thr prophet has no meaning for anyone.

okay then.
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I will happily lay my life for the Prophet(saw). I dont know where you got this. The Prophet(saw) is the whole point. Prophet's(saw) daughter, Prophet's(saw) son in Law, Prophet's(saw) grandson. Loyalty to the Prophet(saw). His grandson's martyrdom is itself a suffering for the Prophet(saw). The Prophet(saw) was himself grieved upon hearing the news. Needless to say, he(saw) loved them very dearly.

I do not wish to drag this on for eternity. So lets end this matter. No need to drag it on.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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yup, i think all that needed to be said has been said.

[Ma_Mooli]

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@ehsan

I was working in Iran for nearly two years and I noticed that contrary to the traditions in the sub continent the Iranians only observed the 10th Muharram as the day of mourning. The rest of the days were normal and even marriages took place during that time. I was there from 1977 to 1979 during the Khomeini revolution.

thats interesting, however you came back during the revolution. i think since shah was the leader, secularism prevailed, i think all that has changed since.

[Zgard]

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lol no body in a muslim country will want to marry in muharram regardless of any arguments n thats a fact