Waqar SACKED, Rashid new Captain, TEAM FOR SHARJAH ANNOUNCED (Merged)

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Guys, calm down.

Both arguments have merit. I do however favour the stop gap one because the situation of the Pakistani team is different to SA. If we were to remove all the old horses at once and make Yoyo the captain then he will probably drown in the problems which will arise with a very young and new team. (Remember Sharjah and the series against Aus only a few months ago). I reckon with Rashid there, even though I would have preferred Akram as captian and a few more old horses we could hand over the reins to Yoyo in a years time when he has had more experience as a vice captain and the old horses gently fading away with new ones taking their place.

Just my thoughts.

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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *
PT yaar - Whichever report you read it says more or less same thing. Being forced to step down isn't very different from sacking unless you want to play the word games.
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As I understand you aren't fimilar with Pakistan Cricket, you know a lil. Fact is, PCB has always picked Miandad in time of need and forced him as my posted report says or let's say sacked him, as your posted report say, over the differences of the Senior players. Either side of the coin you flip, Miandad was right and PCB was wrong. It has been proven not once but over and over again. Why? Because he was speakin' the truth.

And the argument is not about keeping the Senior players but to make the team strong under strong leadership of an experience player i.e JAVED MIANDAD with the stock of lil bit Senior players and youngsters of ages 23-25, which makes him a winner.

Your arguement Miandad being a immatured Coach is flawed. Just look at Afridi and Sami under his Coachin' before and after, which speaks for it self. And there are more likes of Afridis and Samis yet to come!

:)

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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *

Saby - If Miandad has been sacked twice for non-Cricketing reasons then what is the Gaurantee that he wont be sacked third time especially when those Seniors are still around. PCB should have tried to consult someone like Asif Iqbal who have a sharp cricketing brain and better man managment skills. With Rashid as Captain I have two Problems - 1. He himslef said that he is physically not fit enough to play in tests and Pakistan has a young and talented WK Batsman Kamran Akmal just waiting because of him. Akmal has better batting skills than him, although I can't say the same about his WK skills.
2. Latif is not a natural Leader, He has never been. He doesn't command respect in the team. Do you think he can control Shoaib Akhtar, I dont think so.
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About the respect Latif you allege doesnt enjoy, you are totally mistaken here. Latif has alwyas been supporting and promoting new players. Yousuf Youhana and younis khan are the prime examples who publicly say that we are here coz of him. Assuming new players will come into the team will always respect him coz of his perofrmance as well as stature in the team.

Rashid Latifi i not a natural leader i agree, who else is?? He sure is not the ideal captain but these are Not the ideal circumstances for Pakistan Cricket.

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*Originally posted by funguy: *
Just look at what South Africans did. Bold decision I must say by naming Graem Smith the captain. He is only 22. I think PCB got it wrong one more time.

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There are two issues here. Greame Smith has been captain of his provincial side in the past so he knows how to handle the avaialble resources. Yousuf and Younis have never been the captain of ANY side in the past. So that make sense to let them learn how to use your brain in the ground and no better teacher then Miandad or Imran.

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As most of you don't know, Rashid Latif is appointed as interim captain, only for limited amount of time, he is only there so the Pakistani team can make their transition from the current team filled with old buddhas to a young team full of talented players.
I don't know who is going to be the future captain, Youhana doesn't seem to me like a captain material, the guy doesn't have any kind of communication skills.
I remember him last year in double wicket in Houston, the guy was giving an interview the end of the day, he had no idea of what he was going to say, plus he doesn't even speak English.
If Pakistan is looking for a long term captain after Rashid then Abdul Razzaq is the right answer, he is in off form currently but he is a very good player. Him or Younis Khan are the ideal choice.

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Speaking english has absolutely nothing to do with captaincy skills. Not unless our team consists of english-only-speaking players and there is a communication problem between the captain and the team. As long as Yoyo can communicate with the team and the media, in Urdu if required, he'll be ok. A captain needs to perform on the field. Needs to have trust of his players, has solid performance of his own, good cricketing head, sense for field-placement, bowling changes etc.

It is wrong to assume that a cricket captain must be able to speak English and give good interviews, otherwise he is not "captain material". This is merely gora mentality. If Yoyo is uncomfortable speaking English, he should speak in Urdu. It is the responsibility of the TV crews to get translators. The captain has other things to worry about than the interview. Better be an urdu-speaking winning captain, then the english-speaking loser explaining away his sorrows to Sky sports.

ps. On a side-note, Razzak's english speaking skill are probably only marginally better than Yoyo's.

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Well said Faisal & saby.

I remember once Inzi was the MoM and Sunil Gavaskar interviewed him in Urdu/Hindi. English language skills has nothin’ to do with a Cricketer abilities.

Rashid ain’t a Captain for Test match side; therefore, I reckon, Yoyo will be given a chance to lead the side, knowin’ that he’s a team’s VC. :slight_smile:

It’s now all up to the team to come upon Nation’s expectation. We wish them Good Luck. :bravo:

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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
As most of you don't know, Rashid Latif is appointed as interim captain, only for limited amount of time, he is only there so the Pakistani team can make their transition from the current team filled with old buddhas to a young team full of talented players.
I don't know who is going to be the future captain, Youhana doesn't seem to me like a captain material, the guy doesn't have any kind of communication skills.
I remember him last year in double wicket in Houston, the guy was giving an interview the end of the day, he had no idea of what he was going to say, plus he doesn't even speak English.
If Pakistan is looking for a long term captain after Rashid then Abdul Razzaq is the right answer, he is in off form currently but he is a very good player. Him or Younis Khan are the ideal choice.
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Yoyo is known for as crickette not as english scholar.As long as he can communicate with his player and coach he is fine.

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Originally posted by Faisal: *
Speaking english has **absolutely nothing* to do with captaincy skills. Not unless our team consists of english-only-speaking players and there is a communication problem between the captain and the team. As long as Yoyo can communicate with the team and the media, in Urdu if required, he'll be ok. A captain needs to perform on the field. Needs to have trust of his players, has solid performance of his own, good cricketing head, sense for field-placement, bowling changes etc.

It is wrong to assume that a cricket captain must be able to speak English and give good interviews, otherwise he is not "captain material". This is merely gora mentality. If Yoyo is uncomfortable speaking English, he should speak in Urdu. It is the responsibility of the TV crews to get translators. The captain has other things to worry about than the interview. Better be an urdu-speaking winning captain, then the english-speaking loser explaining away his sorrows to Sky sports.

ps. On a side-note, Razzak's english speaking skill are probably only marginally better than Yoyo's.
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A captain should be an all rounder and by all rounder I don't mean in a cricket terminology. The captain should be outstanding on and off the field. The captain commands respect from the players media and the general public. A captain must posses all the qualities.
It may not be an "essential requirement" for Yoyo to communicate in english as long he is producing the result but he already lost an attribute. A captain is representing his team and country. So you got to have the best pick!

Not only Imran khan produced results he was also known for its eloquent words. He was the best captain Pakistan ever witnessed!

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*It may not be an "essential requirement" for Yoyo to communicate in english as long he is producing the result but he already lost an attribute. A captain is representing his team and country. So you got to have the best pick! *

Help me understand, how come speaking english is an attribute for a cricket captain or that it is something required for cricket captain representing his team and country?

Effective communication skills, yes.
English, not really.
If he can communicate in Urdu, fair enough.

I think we need to come out of this mentality that since Brits invented the game so all captains must speak english. As the game expands, more and more players will be speaking their native language. We should not force them to learn English, as an attribute to become captain or anything. They should concentrate on their game. TV crews will find translators. Thats not our concern.

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I gave you the example of Imran khan. You still don't understand the importance of being articulate. I already mentioned its not a requirement but its good to have a captain with all the skills. I also acknowledged that knowing english won't win you matches.

Who would be your pick. Two players with same amount success on the field and one of them can communicate effectively in english.
A patriotic thailay wala would opt for the one who doesnt know english. So are you with Thaaaaaaaaaaailay walaaa? :p

There is no denying, after the match It's always pleasing to see Wasim, waqar, or Imran speaking with great command in English. They represent our country very well. Perception does hold some values.

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Well Said Faisal Bhai.
On another note isnt Latif also pathetic in English? So what is the advantage here.
Its same whether its Yoyo or Latif.

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*Originally posted by allah_ka_banda: *
Well Said Faisal Bhai.
On another note isnt Latif also pathetic in English? So what is the advantage here.
Its same whether its Yoyo or Latif.
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Latif pathetic? I don't think so..He can communicate well enough :)

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Bhai Imran Khan tau aap ko baar baar milnay say raha. And in any case, Imran Khan's success was not because he was articulate in English. It was because he commanded respect in the team and led them well. Post-match interviews should be the last thing to judge who is to be the captain.

Having said that, who are the two people who have "same amount success on the field"? Razzler had one of his worst tournaments in the WC, and is totally missing his form at the moment ... while Yoyo has consistently performed. Some people are going so far as to say to drop Razzler from the team, and you want to make him the captain because you think he speaks better English? :)

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I m happy for yohanna :slight_smile: remember ehsan bhai, I thought he could be a good choice :k:

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I think its a pretty good decision by the PCB except for making Aamir Sohail being appointed as cheif selector. Well maybe Im thinking this cuz of his annoying commentry in the WC :confused: Well I think Afridi is pretty much gone out of the team unless he realy gets his act together. And if he does come into the team, I think he will be a lot better player then he is right now. Lets hope this move works out for the team :slight_smile: :k:

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Being the Pakistani Captain has to be either the 2nd or 3rd toughest job in the whole country, after Prime Minister.

The expectations are always high from a captain, whether to perform well on the field, smart sense, good communication withen the team, be a leader, role model and a great representitive of Pakistan.

Imran's education was at a higher intellect, which he combined his knowledge and leadership to be Pakistan's best ever Captain.

A captain has to be a ambassador for the country, speaking behalf of the sports team, to the billions of viewers around the world.

None the less, I believe he must compose of adequatein manners, which may have a short knowledge of english. No one is asking anyone to be a Ph.D in English, but able to voice the concerns and answer questions at any given time.

It is always good to see people like Wasim discussing situations of cricket with other captains around the world like Waugh, Fleming, and many more. Will the "new" captain carry a translator everywhere he goes? It just doesn't look reasonable.

This situation would also imply to us.
Are we able to do our jobs without learning english? If so, then why does the country learn english?

For instance, you may be a lawyer, doctor, MBa, or any other professional living in Pakistan, but would you still view the same thoughts that your job can be done without english?

Cricket is their career. It's not just a hobby, where they are playing for fun. The "new" captains will learn english, it doesn't have to be amazing, but enough to make some sense.

Btw, no is claiming by learning english, it will make you a better cricket player. It will just make a image of the captain to the western world, of how we are able to represent Pakistan on a good foreign status.

P.S. I demand we change Gupshup. Why are we typing in English? This is a insult to our mother tongue!

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Bhai Imran Khan tau aap ko baar baar milnay say raha. And in any case, Imran Khan's success was not because he was articulate in English. It was because he commanded respect in the team and led them well. Post-match interviews should be the last thing to judge who is to be the captain.

Having said that, who are the two people who have "same amount success on the field"? Razzler had one of his worst tournaments in the WC, and is totally missing his form at the moment ... while Yoyo has consistently performed. Some people are going so far as to say to drop Razzler from the team, and you want to make him the captain because you think he speaks better English? :)
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You are going too extreme with your argument. I never said that English is a must for a captain but its a quality that is preffered for a Captain to posses.

To answer your question , Yes I will still go for Razzler(nice one here) Why? Becuase I believe Razzler led the Under 19 side. Yoyo never had any such experience. Razzler is known to have a good cricketing(word?) mind.
Razller is a very young exciting and yet an experienced player going through a bad patch. Hopefully, he will come out of it. He may not be a "better player" than YoYo but will definitely be a better candidate for the captaincy :) .
Btw thanks for confirming about Razzaqs english proficiency..makes me feel betta.

Imran khan is known everywhere "not just" because he delivered the desired results but also.......(oh you know). Otherwise there shouldnt any difference between him and Kapil dev. :)

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:k: you said it best!

See I lost the edge here. I relatively failed to convey my opinion effectively. Even though I share exactly the same opinions as stated above.Why? I’m not good in writing. :slight_smile: