The Wisdom of Jesus(AS) From Traditional Arabic sources
Translated by Hamza Yusuf
The following sayings of Jesus(AS) from Traditional Arabic Sources are excerpted from Walk on Water, a forth coming book by Hamza Yusuf.
According to Ahmed Jesus(AS) was known to have said, “Virtuous action does not consist in doing good to someone who has done good to you-that is merely returning a favour. Virtuous action consists in doing good to those who have wronged you”.
Once someone asked Jesus(AS) "How are you able to walk on water? Jesus(AS) replied, “With certainty”. Then someone said, “But we also have certainty”. Jesus(AS) then asked them, “Are stone, clay and gold equal in your eyes?” They replied, “certainly not!”, Jesus(AS) replied, " They are in mine ".
(AHMAD)
Once Jesus(AS) met Iblis[satan] and Iblis said, “Is it not true that only what has been decreed will happen?”
Jesus(AS) said, “That is true”.
Then Iblis said, " Then throw yourself down from the top of this mountain, and let us see if you live or not".
Jesus(AS) answered, " The servant does not test his master; rather, it is the master who tests his servant".
(Abu Na’im)
Here is another saying of Jesus(AS) for you to read and understand:
Jesus(AS), the son of Mary said, " God has given me the power to give life to the dead, sight to the blind, sound to the deaf, but He did not give me the power to heal the fool of his foolishness".
(Al-Razi)
sister, here is what he said (below), there is no use trying to convince him:
Half Half is just my family background. I'm Full Athiest.
A quote from Quran, Bible or any other "religious" inclined book doesn't cut for such people.
Then first thing to "convince" him would be belief in God then His messengers I'd think.
Belief in God alone is enough IMO... doesn't mean you are "guided" but you are not committing shirk either.
Then first thing to "convince" him would be belief in God then His messengers I'd think.
Brother its not my duty to convince people but only to provide right information.....now it is only upto them if they use their wisdom to understand the truth or just ignore it.
But I truly appreciate your sincerity towards Islam.
Belief in God alone is enough IMO... doesn't mean you are "guided" but you are not committing shirk either.
Depends on who you ask and what 'further' you believe in.... :D
Brother its not my duty to convince people but only to provide right information.....now it is only upto them if they use their wisdom to understand the truth or just ignore it.
But I truly appreciate your sincerity towards Islam.
Thats correct, but point was that you can't give him quote from a book he doesn't beleive in.
A quote from Quran, Bible or any other "religious" inclined book doesn't cut for such people.
Right on. I cannot blindly trust any thing written in a book just because it is the Bible or the Quran. I believe Jesus was human with no supernatural powers. He was a great man and a great spiritual leader. That's all.
Ofcourse, we can have our own beliefs. You are free to believe that Jesus could walk on water and fly above the clouds, but couldn't save himself from being crucified. Oh nevermind, he let that happen to himself so that jews can convert to christianity out of guilt "omg he died for us, bcoz of our sins".
Thats correct, but point was that you can't give him quote from a book he doesn't beleive in.
Peace Captain1
If the quote is provided without giving the reference of the book you may see how much of an affect it really has. Some things deal with issues. The issue of Vedic_Intellect is his own intellect! It has drawn limitations to his veda'ness (knowledge).
Does Vedic believe in gravity? or perhaps can he fathom the Qur'an? These are both miracles ... to him ... one is a phenomenon the other is a book.
Interestingly ... phenomenon = An unusual, significant, or unaccountable fact or occurrence; a marvel.
I wonder what the dictionary definition of miracle is?
This is a loud conversation with you Captain1 ... I know you didn't need to hear it, others perhaps might ...
Sorry to budge in like that brother, but what makes you so sure he did? What purpose would such miracles serve other than to put on a freak show? This is a classic example of knocking your enemy into submission? What is the point? Where's the test??? Is God an illogical entity?
People have made messengers immortal as it is, so why would God create a tool for idol worshipping by putting on a magic parade?
Why would there be a need for something like Quran if God wanted to dazzle us? If you propose the miracles described in the Quran, couldn't the same be an allegory of some sort? Like giving life to the dead may be symbolic for reviving a dead society...
ma'salam
Peace Vedic_Intellect
For an atheist you sure have a lot of zeal against miracles of prophets of yore.
Question: What makes you so sure that Jesus (AS) did not walk on water?