A question for fellow guppies on Quran and sunnah

[Texan_Dude]

Re: A question for fellow guppies on Quran and sunnah

@Ibn Sadique

**Texan Dude **- It is a fact that since the day you were in your nappies you have been bottle fed that Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar, Hz. Aisha and all the Companions [May Allah (swt be pleased with them all] are Five-star hypocrites and enemies of Ahlul Bayt [May Allah (swt be pleased with them all].

So this mental conditioning is the major reason for you not accepting anything good about them.

I have been quoting the Ayahs of Quran which clearly shows without any ambiguity of Allah (swt)'s pleasure with the Sahabah of the Prophet (saw), yet somehow you are not sure if they really believed in their hearts.

How pathetic… dude… accusing me for stuff I quoted from your books…lol… I know your problem of having hard time digesting the truth was quite obvious in the thirdlast post of mine… hmm when you failed with your usual.. pick and choose or trying to make sense outta nothing… games you want to blame that I have been fed wrong stuff from my childhood… you sick mind… the hadith I quoted for Abu Bakr making Prophet angry… or Umar introducing bidah is also from your so called SAHIH BOOKS oh someone is running out of lame excuses now lets blame it on my childhood… about the ayat of companions didn’t I show you an ayat about some companions being hypocrite…oh someone have no answers to defend their belives so they want to turn the table by accusing my childhood when I posted stuff I read from your bookss… shows the usual struggle you are going through… wonder when will you learn to accept the truth … didn’t you made a real fool outta yourself… in your last few posts… asking to show when you said that .. when you sure did… got two words for you buddy GROW UP and no the ayat you mentioned … i don’t know how it applies to me… since you are blaming my childhood… for quoting stuff from your books.. you got some serious problems dude you don’t even know my childhood… don’t make a game out of quranic ayats…

@Ibn Sadique

I have quoted narrations of your ‘infallible imams’ from your own books praising Hz. Abu Bakr and Hz. Umar [May Allah (swt be pleased with them both]; yet you have disowned their sayings on the grounds that it can’t be true. Yet these were words of your imams quoted from your books.

You kept on harping about Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) earning Hz.Fatimah (ra)’s wrath; yet rejected off-hand when I quoted narrations of your own infallible imam showing that Hz. Ali (ra) too earned Hz. Fatimah’s (ra) wrath.

lol… how screwed up buddy… you can’t defend Abu Bakr… oh mudsling on other highly respected personality … thats pathetic man… not to mention the books you claim to shia near and dear books … the only prove you had about it is some website referencing it once… no such book was referred in shia websites… oh but you want me to believe a book I never heard of … book which it is hard for you to get the literature on… is supposed to be my dear and dear book… when you failed to defend Mawiya you tried the same tactic on Hazrat Ali A.S.to accuse him for using Allah SWT sword to kill the believers… hmm not only you tried to mud sling Hazrat Ali A.S. but tried to imply nauzubillah Allah awarded his sword to someone who led the blood shed of his own believers… astagfirullah ..

[quote=“Ibn Sadique”]

Texan Dude – Try to put your belief and Trust in Quran even if it goes against what you believe!

@Ibn Sadique

Quran is the Book of Ummah of Prophet Muhammad (saw) and not the Ummah of Prophet Lut (as)! We don’t apply the commands of the Quran in reverse order to the Ummahs of the days gone by. Quran does narrate the facts of Ummahs of bygone days but its injunctions and commands are for the Ummah of Muhammad (saw). I hope that you will agree with that.

For time being take it for granted that our dear Prophet (saw) was given ‘pure ones’ as wives even if it is hard for you to swallow. And that the following ayah fits him well despite your **misplaced **misgivings.

Women impure are for men impure, and men impure for women impure **and women of purity are for men of purity, and men of purity are for women of purity: **these are not affected by what people say: for them there is forgiveness, and a provision honourable. ** 24:26

If you still imply that Hz. Aisha (ra) was impure than surely by your reckoning her husband has to be impure too! You see the logic.

Insha’Allah Ta’alaa, in weeks time I shall address the actions of Hz. Aisha (ra). She did not go against the Quran; bear in mind in that she knew Quran better than Moulanas, Ayatullahs you and me, all combined.

Dude I didn’t doubt the ayat of Quran I just want to make sure if what you said fits the correct context of the ayat… So based on what you say Allah applied his law for pure men for pure women after he the ayat was introduced??? hmm I have a question for you which I shall post later…

hmm Ayesha knew Quran better than Maulana, Ayaatullah’s and you and me all combined… and what is your source of knowledge… today’s sunni Maulana nauzubillah accuses Bibi Fatima.. her purity is described in Quran also she was chosen over all ladies when it was asked to curse on liars … such a pious personality just to defend that Abu Bakr made Bibi Fatima angry for right reason accuses her for not knowing enough… in other words accuses Allah SWT to have her Prophet give such a big hadith when to them Bibi Fatima Zehra could get angry on people for wrong reasonss.. so let me guess todays scholars are better than Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A but not Ayesha.. you guyz are messed up… I want you to show me how???

@Ibn Sadique

And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying. 33:33

By the way, do the highlighted parts of the above ayah apply to the female members of Ahlul Bayt (raa) of your reckoning? What about those who left their homes to accompany Hz. Hussein (ra) to Karbala?

Did they too leave their homes against the command of the Quran?

Let’s not be selective in imposing ayahs of Quran.

hmmm and tell me does the verse And Stay in Your houses… is it meant for the wives of Prophet or the whole family of Prophet… I want to see if you stick to what you said eaerlier… this is a new way you want to interpret the ayat when you are having hard time digesting truth… I want to know who does the word And Stay in your houses refer too… before you accuse memeber of Ahley bait???

@Ibn Sadique

Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of
**hypocrasy."… **

From the same sources that you taken the above [and we take the above narration to be 100% true], we have the following too and many more:

Anas (ra) reported that Rasool ul Allah (saaw) said: **“Loving al-Ansar is a sign of Imaan. Hating al-Ansar is a sign of Nifaaq.” **[Reported by Muslim and an-Nisaa’i] It had been quoted by GupGuppy much earlier.
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Ok and how does it effect people who came against Hazrat Ali A.S… or hated them…???