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I agree that blaming the Wahabi has become the pc way of saying muslim terrorist. sometime ago it used to be 'islamist'. It'd be lot simpler to be able to call a muslim terrorist just that, as long as it is not interpreted as "all muslims are terrorist" (which some fools invariably do).
It's the sad state of public thought we live in ever since religion became a creed
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so according to you, these ‘enraged’ wahabis apparently have a right to bomb innocent worshippers in imambargahs, because the Imam’s speech might incite hatred?
what kinda belief is that?
Its pretty obvious these guys are lacking a brain cell or two, because if they thought it out a little, they might just realise, thier boming and killings create a whole lot more hatred then any shia Imam could do in his lifetime. Buncha thick heads or wha?
Its a tad rich blaming shias for incitement, considering the amount of propaganda you see coming from wahabies. There is double the amount of hatred in thier literature. The haq chaar site for example, you’d think thier whole lives revolve around a minority 10%. If it weren’t so pathetic, it’d be hilarious. but hey, maybe its gets too much for them, when they get a small taste of thier own medicine eh.
Perhaps its because we come across the deranged wahabies more often that we are inclined to believe the civil ones are a rare kind. In Saudi, we can see their ‘civilness’ quite openly.. Thats not to say i havent met any sane uns, i have met quite a few aye, but sadly, they are in the minority.
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like Mooli says, regardless of what shias do in their own mosques and imam baras, there is no justification for cold blooded, pre planned murder calculated to kill as many shias as possible, as repeatedly admitted and accepted, sometimes on video tape, by wahabi organizations.
by the by lajawab, you completely missed in your reply my references about abdul wahhab demolishing a tomb in hijaaz and the many others pointing to destruction of mosques in hijaz and iraq.
do you dispute those sources and do you still stand by your question asking the name of a single wahabi who destroyed a mosque. I named the founder of wahhabism, Abdul Wahhab.
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You are talking to a former Sufi/Barelvi…
All tombs, mausoleums and places where shirk occurs should be demolished…
During my Barelvi days I argued with my Wahabbi brother, ‘why then does the Prophet :saw: have a huge Mausoleum?’
The answer is simple…According to the Prophet :saw:'s commands, his grave and those of his blessed companions beside him are just mounds of earth…But Mulims will be Muslims…They built a beautiful structure around it and made it part of the Masjid…(But no one worships or prays facing his grave)…
And as far as Ma Mooli’s question is concerned, she’s asking logical answers to something illogical…Someone’s faith cannot be broken down to be studied and why someone does something…
It’s like asking, why do we love? Why do we get angry? Why are we hurt? e.t.c…
I can’t answer why someone would get pissed of enough at Shias to blow them up…Who knows…
What would you call it? Overwhelming love for the companions 
or untennable hatred for the Shias?
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if thats what you call an act of faith mate, you can count me out. personally, i think its a low level of tolerance mixed with high dose of contempt and emotion. A dangerous mix to say the least.
as for the tombs, muslims will be muslim is not really an excuse. If they believe it is shirk, why have they left the prophets (saw) tomb? an yes ppl do touch it an pray towards it. i've seen happening myself.
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Just because they do it, does not make it right. That is the reason Saudi’s used to have those whip crackers out there to whoop on these jahils if they try to do a “sajda” towards or infront of the tomb.
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I forget I am dealing with conspiracy theorists with blinders on. Sorry about that.
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Counter Ans: *So you deny you are the victim of the media? *
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Actually they do. They know more than you about Islam.
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Really? **Pat robinson, FOX Channel, Laura Ingram etc. are great muslims who know my religeon better than I do? What a joke! And it tells me what kind of brain you have in your head! **
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I stand by what I said, Wahabism is not the problem few people could be bad but that's no different than in any other religeon.
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Really? Then why are Wahabi mosques and schools filled with hateful literature towards other religions? This literature was published in the Washington Post not long ago, and the schools had to remove it, because of embarrasment.
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Consider that I repeated what I said earlier! see quote below.
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If they do not want people to act like other religeons then what's wrong with it? Thats not intolerence.** Their intentions are not to spread hate. **.
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^^
Having a hard time deciphering all that...
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Whether praying there is right or not, is beside the point. The question, is why is the Prophets (saw) tomb left as a shrine when the wahabies say its shirk and used the very excuse to demolish the tombs of the Ahl ul Bayt (as) in Jannat ul Baqi? Any ideas? For some reason its the two ‘H’ words that comes to mind.
Secondly, alot of people pray there, including myself. I havent seen any whips or the like, but have seen the intolerant ways in which they attempt to take people’s sajdagahs (clay tablets) from them and lecturing them and that too whilst they are praying. like wha? 
Its aggressive behaviour and counter productive to say the least. You know, at times I wonder whose sunnah they really are trying to follow like, cuz it sure isnt the Prophet (saw)'s. For some odd reason, the ‘Y’ word comes to mind.
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Sorry I had trouble when I tried to click quote button earlier and had to cut and paste.
It was the answer to capitol post earlier.
First qoute was from me,
Ans: was by Capitol.
Counter Answer: by me.
Again apologize for the confusion.
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this thread is rapidly degenerating into a wahabi versus shia theological debate, which is not the intent. if you wish to talk about what is the correct version of Islam, use the religion forum. This is about the violent attitudes of wahhabies towards the places of worship of other Muslims.
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so regardless of the tenuous Islamic basis of that, given that all tombs, mausoleums and places where shirk occurs were NOT destroyed during the time of the Prophet, tell me one thing. What gives you the right to talk about historical heritage being destroyed then when you defend the destruction of the places of worship of other Muslims/Non Muslims (whatever you consider other Muslim sects).
I have never seen anyone more pathetic than a wahabi of this breed who comes and complains about Muslim indifference to wahabi suffering. I speak of a poster who came about two years ago who talked about saudi crimes against suffering wahabis and how their sect was being victimised, who then refused to condemn the violence against other sects and their places of worship.
Likewise this thread, which was split from Lajawab's thread of destruction of Pre-Islamic historical heritage, and here you have him saying that all tombs mausoleums etc should be destroyed. Why do you suppose he found america's destruction loathful and justified destruction of ancient Muslim heritage? Such myopia.
You Lajawab, have changed so many positions, which is hard to imagine considering that I supposed religious people to have a little intellectual integrity. First you contended that the destruction of Bamiyan statues by Wahabis was a one-off incident of wahabi destruction of religiously significant historical monuments belonging to faiths different from their own. Furthermore you asked to be named a single wahabi who blew up and destroyed a mosque. Not only did you completely disregard the numerous references I gave you, including those implicating the earliest wahhabis and founders of this movement, you also defended the destruction of ancient religiously significant (to non-wahabi) structures. Why then did you wish to disassociate yourself from the bamiyan statue destruction? Why then did you suggest that wahabis dont destroy the mosques of other people?
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Thanks Ma Mooli for editing my post.
It makes sense now!:)
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You know if they tried to bring down the tomb/structure of Prophet:saw: grave, it will be fanatics like you who will call them Kafir among other names. Secondly they should put those whip crackers back there and should show no mercy to “jahils” who do sajda towards prophet:saw" tomb. Why are you praying in that direction to begin with? Is that a new religion/sect of Shias now that needs to pray facing Propeht:saw: tomb?
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how the hell can you assume she would do sajda toward Prophets (Pbuh&up) grave...did she say she prays "towards" the grave? you are really ignorant
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SherazCT, do you have the habit of selective reading.Here is one for you
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Secondly, alot of people pray there, including myself.
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This is from her post. Why do you feel the urge to pray there? Care to explain that?
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now you tell me..where did she say she prays "toward" the grave
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Ok I assumed that she is praying in that direction. Now you tell me in absence of her why do poeple feel the need to pray there to begin with? When they can easily go to a mosque around the corner.
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so kaleem..please don't assume too much..there is a huge difference between praying near it versus praying towards it..i hope you agree with that...and does it say anywhere NOT to pray near a grave? i didn't know it was suppose to be a gunnah...i believe it is not a problem praying near a grave according to shia school of thought...is it a gunah according to ur school of thought?
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Ok so maybe its not gunnah to pray near a grave, but why do it when there are masajids within walking distance? Say your fatiha and spend some time if you want but say your prayer where it needs to be said "in a masjid"
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The above statement proves Wahabism is a hateful death cult.