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Ulluon, a 10,000 yer old legacy of humanity is destroyed. It is much greater than shia or wahabi or friggin ismaili or whatever....
fking retards!!!
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So ‘calling for’ and ‘believing in’ are two different things??
Only two conclusions from these bold letter comes out that;
1: You would not call for something which you actually believe in.
2: You do believe in something but will NOT call for it. (Then don’t CALL for it as you did earlier.)
Which one is it???
Make up your mind.
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I am just sick of those who think that its my way or the highway.
Either you agree with me/us or die! No if, and or but!
Sound familiar?
It sounds one sided sick mentality which has no cure but mental institution.
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Well, Wahabism is a propaganda tool.
Propagandists, first make up am image of something very bad and then everything they are against is associated with this image.
So is the case about Wahabism. All suicide bombers, Taliban, terrorrist are now termed Wahabis, chechan fighters were Wahabized, Afghans were Wahabized and all that BS one can read in western media.
Though all these people belong to different sects.
This is what the British did during their rule. They labelled all anti-british muslims as Wahabis.
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Very amusing… you dumb @$$…a human being(shia, wahabi, or great ismaili) is greater than a fking 10,000 yr. old friggin legacy to you?
You sicko!
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Yes.
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Exactly. Wahabis with their do or die mentality which has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, should be put into a mental institution.
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I was waiting for a conspiracy theorist. Took longer than I expected.
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Yes, and who is spilling the blood of these innocents? Wahabis.
And last time I checked Kaleem, gas prices were $3.00 a gallon.
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^ This is too funny coming from a coconut. Do you even know what Wahabisim is? You little brainwashed excuse for a human being.
killing thousands of civilians for economic prosperity is different than Nazisim?
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I know what Wahabism is, it’s actions speak from its followers. Where is the economic prosperity you speak of?
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Really, which wahabi’s actions are you referring to. Wahabisim can be defined palin and simple as follows:
“Follow Quran and Sunnah, do not add or subtract from Islam/Quran/Sunnah”. Now you tell me what is wrong with that ideology, on the other hand, i can cite one hundred examples of innocents killed, countries destroyed by my very own country (USA) just for economic gains. Couple of examples, Iran (Putting Shah in power), Iraq ( to please Israel)…chew on those and come back to me.
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Ravage’s posts clearly defined the actions which I am referring to.
That is good, but is tolerance for Jews, Christians and other Muslims (Shias) also put forward in your ideology? So far the followers of Wahabism have been the ones killing innocents everywhere in the Islamic world.
You are right America does do things for economic gains, that’s how it remains powerful. But America also does a lot of good in the world and is doing good right now. What have Wahabis done in terms of philanthrophy with that oil money besides funding hate filled madrassas?
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guys, can we lay off the insults and focus more on the issue, than each other please.
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And how has this been PROVEN? by the media?
I can bet majority of them have no idea about Islam who talk about Islam in the media/books/newspaper etc. On the other hand majority of those who really have some idea about Islam get little chance to get to these Tabloid kind of media to get their voice heard.
Wahabism has nothing to do with any hate or intolerance. Like I mentioned they just talk about simplicity in Islam.
If they do not want people to act like other religeons then what’s wrong with it?
Thats not intolerence. Their intentions are not to spread hate.
Besides blowing up the religeous places…its not Islamic and NEVER been related to wahabism or islam. No matter who does these acts.they are not muslims.
Muslims like any other can commit or (even preech) wrong deeds but that has nothing to do with islam or any of its sect.
Those who commit these acts are neither wahabis or muslims. All of us really need to find ways to punish the true culprits but not bash one sect as a whole or other.
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offtopic replies removed, which comprised of half of this thread.
Kaleem: You're right, it was a bit of selective reading. I normally dont read the posts of people arguing from the same perspective as me, therefore I only caught your tit-for-tat response. If you dont really think all shias should be killed, then you dont deserve to be called an idiot for it, apologies.
That said, this thread was about whether or not wahhabis blow up/destroy mosques, and not about the iraq war that it landed in. I gave historical references of the originators of this movement, particularly Abdul Wahhab (also read up on the Wahabi Ikhwaan and their activities at the beginning of the wahabi movement) who did destroy historical structures based on religious differences in Arabia and Pakistan, including Imam Hussein's tomb, Bibi Fatima's tomb, Majid e Bilal, Masjid e Saba, Jannat ul Baqi, a mosque in quetta (with video footage from three people from a wahabi organization declaring their intent). This is not propaganda, you will find this in any objective, or even biased towards wahabis book of history where the acts would presumably be depicted as necessary destructions of meaningless structures to demonstrate the importance of tawheed.
Nevertheless two (presumably) wahabi posters think that such destruction of ancient mosques/archeological treasures isnt something their beliefs would allow. It is in poor taste to claim to know a person's faith better than he says himself, furthermore we can allow for the positive evolution of a school of thought over time. so I guess what I atleast can conclude is that present day wahabis dont consider the bombing of mosques and destruction of archeological treasures a very noble act, regardless of past acts done in the name of wahhabism.
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I forget I am dealing with conspiracy theorists with blinders on. Sorry about that.
Actually they do. They know more than you about Islam.
What you mentioned doesn’t prove anything at all. Just ramblings of an apologist.
Really? Then why are Wahabi mosques and schools filled with hateful literature towards other religions? This literature was published in the Washington Post not long ago, and the schools had to remove it, because of embarrasment.
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Everyone touts freedom of speech, but how many are willing to live up its needs?
If freedom of speech and belief was really practiced, then Shiekh Yasin, the paraplegic old man would be alive today, Vietnam wouldn't have happened and there would be no Gitmo...
All of this is proof that the concept of free speech does not exist in the west...There is, however, selectiv freedom of speech...
Irshad Manji, Amina Wadud, Salman Rushdie e.t.c.... Being given prime time TV slots on PBS, Time, Newseek, CNN, Fox...
Where's the Muslim to counter the claims of these puppets?
It doesn't exist...
As for freedom of speech of Shia Imams, shouting curses from the pulpits is concerned, that is not freedom of speech...It is incitement...And a very lame and cheap one directed at those who died centuries ago and are not even here to defend their name...
What kind of a belief is this?
You wanna curse, do it in your houses...Send mail to each other...But printing pamphlets, distributing lies, creating misunderstandings is all wrong...
As for the mod-Muslims hating Wahabbis, it's natural...Mod-Muslims are trained by their whatever current masters there may be, to be set upon whoever raises an issue of Muslim's rights...
The most vocal of these Muslim rights advocates have always been the Wahabbis...
What do the current masters of mod-Muslims do? Like a trained bloodhound, the mod-Muslim is given a scent of the spoor by giving him a dose of media...
Express through propaganda outlets things such as Wahabbis hate women, progress and wish to drag the rest of the world in to the 7th century, Wahabbis are extremists, all Wahabbis hate Shias, suppress freedoms, it is only the Wahabbis who kill other people e.t.c....
Like a good trained puppy, the mod-Muslim picks up the trail of a Wahabbi, and barking the same jingoism espoused by the mod-Muslim's master, he goes hot on the trail...
Some well known breeds in the hall of fame include Fareed Zakaria, Irshad Manji and so on...
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Well put Lajawab. I keep telling these people that they do not know what wahabisim is and what it stands for, but do they care...hell no,they have already made up their minds and keep saying "That is my story and I am sticking to it"
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Lajawab :k:
Wahabism is greatly misunderstood. I am a proud Wahabi.