Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
Both MQM and ANP are at fault as pointed out by ravage. Unfortunately some are simply blind to MQM's terror. I see no pushtoon supporters saying ANP isnt involved. Only when pigs fly will anyone believe MQM is not a terrorist organization. Perhaps not as as dangerous as Taleban but is a close second. Unfortunately, the snake's head is Altaf Hussain and needs to be eliminated first. Then send in another general to clean up any remaining scum.
I heard that things have gotten better recently. I hope it continues. I hope there is proper operation against ALL terrorists disturbing the peace of the city.
No to all violence.
things have gotten better, i was listening to the news yesterday that the government is taking credit even if the killings stop for half an hour now...sadly!
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
I see no pushtoon supporters saying ANP isnt involved.
Do you see any Urdu speaking supporters saying MQM members are not involved?
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If you yourself are admitting that ANP is part of terrorism then why calling only MQM a terrorist organization? Why don't you call ANP the terrorist organization as well?
Before calling MQM a terrorist party you need to prove that terrorism is the policy of the party.
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Unfortunately, the snake's head is Altaf Hussain and needs to be eliminated first.
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First you need to prove that it was started by MQM.
If this is not racism then what is? There are two communities fighting in the city but people like you are condemning and abusing only ONE community and its representative party!
You called Urdu speaking people "muhajir" or immigrant. Do you think it is ok to call yourself muhajir if you were born in Pakistan?
Why do urdu speaking call themselves muhajir then, there were many other muhajirs who migrated from Indian Punjab/even Kashmiris from Held Kashmir but no one considers themselves to be a muhajir there.
These are old things and arguments since 85,
Our problem is much bigger now/
Our all 'big' are slave of US direct or through other bigger.
The thing which is surprising is this change at all of a sudden
I am trying to find the reason but perhaps some thing external.
The situation is getting complex with the passage of time, any power that needs to destabilize Pakistan needs to paralyse Karachi. Now its MQM vs ANP, gang wars, and Sunni Tehreek vs Taliban. The easy link is if the political parties of Karachi MQM, ANP and PPP take the situation seriously, that part could be resolved at least. Then the rest problems can be isolated and tackled.
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
Both MQM and ANP are at fault as pointed out by ravage. Unfortunately some are simply blind to MQM's terror. I see no pushtoon supporters saying ANP isnt involved. Only when pigs fly will anyone believe MQM is not a terrorist organization. Perhaps not as as dangerous as Taleban but is a close second. Unfortunately, the snake's head is Altaf Hussain and needs to be eliminated first. Then send in another general to clean up any remaining scum.
Most of the fault lies squarely with the MQM forthe way they operate. They do not own Karachi. Anything the Pashtuns have done is in retaliation but there is sadly only so much they can take without resorting to some tactics used by the MQM.
The MQM started te ethnic attacks on Pashtuns. There are Pashtun gangsters in Karachi but they never operated for Pashtu interests - however, the MQM started attacking these people and many legitimate business men because they were Pashtuns.
There are many Pashtuns in Punjab yet do you see Punjabis and Pashtuns at war?
That is completely wrong. I have no sympathy for the ANP and i could agree on many accusations you could throw on the ANP but the Karachi violence ad troubles are the fault of the MQM. The MQM needs to be cleansed once and for all. Look at the history of the MQM - it has had wars with every group. They do not own Karachi. Pashtuns have as much right to be in Karachi as Urdu speakers - in fact neither are native people to that region.
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
Most of the fault lies squarely with the MQM forthe way they operate. They do not own Karachi. Anything the Pashtuns have done is in retaliation but there is sadly only so much they can take without resorting to some tactics used by the MQM.
The MQM started te ethnic attacks on Pashtuns. There are Pashtun gangsters in Karachi but they never operated for Pashtu interests - however, the MQM started attacking these people and many legitimate business men because they were Pashtuns.
There are many Pashtuns in Punjab yet do you see Punjabis and Pashtuns at war?
How do you know it was MQM's policy to kill people? Just because there are some Urdu speaking terrorists killing some Pashtuns it doesn't mean that MQM itself is to be blamed.
And how can you not call it terrorism when there is indiscriminate killing of Urdu speaking people happening in the city? How can you not blame Pashtun Taliban who declared Urdu speaking people "jews" and approved fatwas to kill them indiscriminately?
There are not as many Pashtuns in Punjab as there are in a single city of Karachi. Karachi has more Pashtuns than Peshawar. Think twice before making any comparisons between a CITY and a PROVINCE.
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
There are not as many Pashtuns in Punjab as there are in a single city of Karachi. Karachi has more Pashtuns than Peshawar. Think twice before making any comparisons between a CITY and a PROVINCE.
Who knows how many muhajirs and pashtuns are there in Punjab or Karachi, as there has not been any census during the past more than 10 years. But I have seen an exponential rise in mohajir and pashtun population in Lahore in recent years.
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
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How do you know it was MQM's policy to kill people? Just because there are some Urdu speaking terrorists killing some Pashtuns it doesn't mean that MQM itself is to be blamed.
And how can you not call it terrorism when there is indiscriminate killing of Urdu speaking people happening in the city? How can you not blame Pashtun Taliban who declared Urdu speaking people "jews" and approved fatwas to kill them indiscriminately?
There are not as many Pashtuns in Punjab as there are in a single city of Karachi. Karachi has more Pashtuns than Peshawar. Think twice before making any comparisons between a CITY and a PROVINCE./QUOTE]
There are **LARGE NUMBER's **of Pashtuns in Lahore, Pindi, other Punjab Cities and also i other Urban Sindh locations. **I very specifically pointed Karachi out because that is where the problem lies - THE MQM. **Shall we compare Lahore and Karachi? Pindi and Karchi? Or even Hyderabad and Karachi?
There are much more Pashtuns in Punjab than in Karachi. Wh y is it that the only clashes in Pakistan are in Karchi with regards to ethnicity?
**The MQM has a violent facist policy of hate and discrimination. It's short life span has seen it attack all of Pakistan's ethnicities but the hatred for Pashtuns is different because they are hard working people who are the 2nd largest ethnicitiy in Karachi. The MQM Htred has pushed Pashtuns to support the ANP.
**They tried the Taliban card before but it failed. They will fail again. The MQM are trying to turn the nation and the world against Pashtuns by calling them Taliban but it will not work.
Slowly but surely the MQM evil hold on Karachi will disappear. It is already on the wane. Have you ever asked why the Pashtuns do not fight with Sindhis, Punjabis or Baloch?
One very important point - if this was a Taliban issue then why are Urdu speakers only targeted as Jews? There are just as many Shia, Barelvi and other sects which are not approved by the Taliban in ** **Punajbis and Sindhis so why are they not attacked?
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
Who knows how many muhajirs and pashtuns are there in Punjab or Karachi, as there has not been any census during the past more than 10 years. But I have seen an exponential rise in mohajir and pashtun population in Lahore in recent years.
Urdu speakers are leaving Karachi because of the consistent violence there. Karachi was peaceful until Musharaf started the whole CJ issue and in May 2007 Karachi exploded and since then the flames of hate have not been out out.
Lahori Khan Sahib bhi bolay aakhir
‘PPP, MQM and ANP responsible for Karachi unrest’](http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/07/ppp-mqm-and-anp-responsible-for-karachi-unrest/?thick=off&KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=540&width=962)
**I again submit his previous press conference head lines which was surprisingly washed from everywhere.
Please search this news.It was printed with photo.
I have worked to let you reach the news printed on front page of ‘Jang’ Rawalpindi , Wednesday 6th July 2011. I could not find it anywhere on net, These are headlines only.
نواز شریف پہلے بھی ٢٠ جماعتوں کو نہر والے پل پر چھوڑ گے تھے
موجودہ نظام بچانے کے لیے کسی گرینڈ الائنس کا حصہ نہیں بنیں گے -عمران خان
ہم نے اپوزیشن اتحاد بنانے کی بات کی تو (ن)لیگ نے ہمیں ایجنسیوں کا آلہ کار قرار دیا -
اب گرینڈ الائنس کے پیچھے کیا سوچ کارفرما ہے -
مد ٹرم الیکشن اور حکومت کا جانا ضروری ہے -مثبت تبدیلی کے لیے اے پی ڈی ایم کی جماعتوں کو دوبارہ اکٹھا کروں گا - پریس کانفرنس
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
Karachi is always peaceful when MQM remains happy.
I don’t want to be a part of this twisting the words discussion.
My Pakistanis are being killed and we can say nothing.
This is a news with a photo of a dead body on road with two helpless persons sitting, No face there .
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There are **LARGE NUMBER's **of Pashtuns in Lahore, Pindi, other Punjab Cities and also i other Urban Sindh locations. **I very specifically pointed Karachi out because that is where the problem lies - THE MQM. **Shall we compare Lahore and Karachi? Pindi and Karchi? Or even Hyderabad and Karachi?
There are much more Pashtuns in Punjab than in Karachi. Wh y is it that the only clashes in Pakistan are in Karchi with regards to ethnicity?
**The MQM has a violent facist policy of hate and discrimination. It's short life span has seen it attack all of Pakistan's ethnicities but the hatred for Pashtuns is different because they are hard working people who are the 2nd largest ethnicitiy in Karachi. The MQM Htred has pushed Pashtuns to support the ANP.
**They tried the Taliban card before but it failed. They will fail again. The MQM are trying to turn the nation and the world against Pashtuns by calling them Taliban but it will not work.
Agreed, there are many Pashtuns especially in northern Punjab now especially pindi as that's very close to nwfp and due to improvement of road infrastructure with better job opportunities and security in Punjab as compared to kp many people have turned to Punjab. Even Lahore is about 480 kms from peshawar, well being a Pakistani anyone is and should be welcome in punjab including Pashtuns and muhajirs. When we have sacrificed everything that we had for the afghan refugees, then these are our own people.
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
This thread is dead on. Why not other cities? Because Karachi is a port city. It's not surprising to me that terrorist networks would be more interested in taking Karachi than Lahore or Islamabad. Islamabad is too guarded, and the terrorists have already tested the waters with Swat. Just the proximity of their occupation of Swat to Islamabad resulted in immediate national and international response. But Karachi is oft ignored in the country due to racial reasons more than anything else, and the fact that everyone takes it for granted, and the fact that the public of Karachi has not been vocal or angry enough to give rioters a boot.
The fact that it's a port city, has access to water, and has access to factories, wealth, and manpower is probably what terrorists are looking for. You'll have access to ships, to the navy, etc if you can take over Karachi.
I see Karachi becoming the next swat very soon. It's pretty sad that there are entire areas in Karachi already that are no go areas, where terrorists are the only ones allowed to enter, and somehow the world doesn't even know about this.
I've been watching CNN all day. No mention of what's going on in Karachi. Then people freak out and ask questions every time a terrorist does something - well look at what's going on in Pakistan, they're eating the country alive. Why is everyone surprised at the might these guys have??? The world is letting it happen.