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Beta, read my posts again. Where did I say Karachi needs to separate from PAKISTAN?
**You need to take off your muta’assib hate-filled glasses to read the posts properly.
**
I said Karachi needs to be a separate province.
You don’t understand how I use the word ‘foreigner’. I used it to mean someone from another city or region, not someone from another country.
So who is doing it? You?
re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
He is little more exited today,
Won't you be excited if some Pakistani people are being killed INDISCRIMINATELY?
Remember, the khawarij have declared JIHAD on common Urdu speaking Pakistanis.
re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
As Rangoli said, impression of giving Karachi as 'Jaidaad' to one group and calling the 'other' foreigners is basis for bias.
And where did I say that Karachi is a 'jaidad' of one group?
Yes, Karachi is no one's jaidad, including those from Larkana and Nawabshah.
Karachi belongs to Karachiites, regardless of ethnicity.
Now you need to agree to this too.** No one has the right to call Urdu speakers "jews" and declare jihad against them. **
ADMIT IT!
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Won't you be excited if some Pakistani people are being killed INDISCRIMINATELY? Remember, the khawarij have declared JIHAD on common Urdu speaking Pakistanis.
Don't twist the words. Everyone is sad for the people facing in Karachi. There is no Jihad, These are opportunists playing there games from their safe heavens. They are tools of our enemies. This is war against Pakistan and our people are being used.
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^ That is true. But why are some people here blaming MQM alone for this massacre? What would you call that?
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khoji your theory still doesnt make sense ... in one way you are saying karachi is a city for all ... thn you are saying besides muhajirs .. everyone is a foreigner??
Karachi was founded by balochis and sindhis or abb wehi bechare foreigners hogaye ... wah bhaiee!!
agree with muqqawee and Iconoclast!!
re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
khoji your theory still doesnt make sense ... in one way you are saying karachi is a city for all ... *thn you are saying besides muhajirs .. everyone is a foreigner?? *
Karachi was founded by balochis and sindhis or abb wehi bechare foreigners hogaye ... wah bhaiee!!
agree with muqqawee and Iconoclast!!
When did I say that besides muhajirs everyone is foreigner? Can you show me the post?
Sindhis and Balochs living in Karachi are as much Karachiites as anyone else. They are not outsiders or foreigners.
re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
Won't you be excited if some Pakistani people are being killed INDISCRIMINATELY? Remember, the khawarij have declared JIHAD on common Urdu speaking Pakistanis.
Man you really sound funny sir it is the MQM who has killed thousands of people in karachi and sindh they have murdered even their own people who disagreed with them on some issue what are you talking about man
re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
When did I say that besides muhajirs everyone is foreigner? Can you show me the post? Sindhis and Balochs living in Karachi are as much Karachiites as anyone else. They are not outsiders or foreigners.
I think now you have taken your words back for calling sindhis foreigners / outsiders. Now, I like your +ve wordings.
re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
This is not a issue of “this” party anymore, it’s more then that. “Controlled Chaos”
re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
The whole thing is absolutely disgusting. It's not so much whether the problem is pathans vs. mohajirs, etc. The problem is jaahil people and furthermore, religion being misused to guide killings.
Something is just weird here. A city just doesn't erupt in violence without there being an orchestrated attempt to create chaos.
Someone out there is up to no good.
ANP demands army operation in Karachi
And rightly so. Its only the parties that want to protect their terrorists who are against army disarming the militants in karachi.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/9594979-anp-demand-army-operation-in-karachi
Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtuns
I think some Pashtuns are being used by extremist elements among them to create current fitnah and chaos. Earlier there was target killing going on between MQM and ANP but common people on both sides were more or less safe. But now the events have taken an ugly turn. The firing is now indiscriminate and directed towards common people. So something must have changed.
And what changed was the use of religion to incite violence. Youtube has videos showing calls for jihad against Urdu speaking people in general (not just MQM) comparing them with yahud. Such calls were made sometime in June, and here in July we have the results of these calls.
The use of mosques for raising these calls shows that the problem is being exploited by Taliban extremists. This is primarily aimed at Urdu speaking because the party they overwhelmingly support is the most outspoken critic of their extremism.
It has been long known that Taliban extremists come to Karachi to take vacations, and to finance their fasad by looting and bank robberies.
**These mufsideen first started their fasad against Afghan people then inflicted it on Pashtuns in FATA and KPK, tried to inflict it on Islamabad and Lahore, and now they have turned it on Karachi.
**It was easy for them to do it in Karachi due to sheer number of common Pashtun people in Karachi.
Now I read this news item about the “hit-list of of anti-jihadi” personalities in the city. The word “jihad” used here again shows that this fight is not between two communities but between two ideologies.
I think it is the duty of every Pakistani to oppose these enemies of Pakistan who have declared jihad in Karachi.
KARACHI - Unidentified terrorists have distributed instigating leaflets in various outskirts of the city to maintain a ‘hit list’ of anti-jihadi personalities and kill them and their family members.
The copy of the handbill, obtained by The Nation, showed scores of high-profile personalities’ list and indicated to enhance it. It showed a set schedule to kill the said personalities. It gave the names of various personalities belonging to journalist community, political, non-political figures, government high-ups, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies personnel.
The communiqué justifies jihad and urges to wage jihad against the people, who are creating problems against the jihadi elements, and also asks individuals to maintain the hit list of people and kill them after taking ‘fatwa’ from religious clerics.
The areas where the communiqué, composed in Urdu was said to be distributed included Keamari, Kunwari Colony, Sultanabad, Manghopir, Sohrab Goth, Ittehad Town, Baldia, Orangi Town, Metrovill, Korangi, Saeedabad and others. “Make the list in a sequence and if you feel any problem to achieve the target, kill the family members of target,” the leaflet reads adding that it was aimed “To make the list of wanted criminals because they are the actual criminals labelling jihadis as terrorists.”
The communiqué includes the names of 18 people at the hit list. The names are Jasmin Manzur, Mazhar Abbas, Kamran Khan, Veena Malik, Begum Nawazish Ali, former director general Federal Investigation Agency Wasim Ahmed, Capital City Police Officer (CCPO), Karachi Saud Mirza, CID SSP Chaudhry Mohammad Aslam Khan, CID SSP Fayyaz Khan, Anti Violent Crime Unit Chief SSP Farooq Awam, Special Investigation Unit chief SSP Raja Omar Khattab, Sunni scholar Mufti Naeem, Shia scholar Mirza Yousuf Baig, Dawat-e-Islami chief Ilyas Qadri, Muttahida Qaumi Movement leaders Haider Abbas Rizvi, Faisal Raza Abidi, Farooq Sattar and Rashid Qureshi, the former spokesperson of the former president of Pakistan Pervez Musharraf.
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
This is by Bilal Baloch. July 5.
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/07/05/karachis_violence_and_the_war_in_afghanistan
Karachi’s violence and the war in Afghanistan
Since 2007, thousands of people have entered Karachi, particularly arriving from Khyber-Pukhtunkhwa province and Afghanistan. Pashtuns from both sides of the Durand Line have now become indiscernible to the common man. Indeed, despite the presence of Pashtuns who have been peacefully living in, and contributing to, the economic and social fabric of Karachi for decades,** some of the many thousands coming in from the northwest represent a new breed bent on sending money to the tribal areas, some of which goes to fund terrorist activity**. This has certainly blemished the common perception of the community as a whole, and contributed to a decrease in security in parts of the city. Some areas controlled by the Pashtun community have been unofficially declared “no-go” areas, where the police fight tooth and nail to gain entry. In one example, a Pakistani officer told me recently that surveillance of a small group of houses in Pashtun-dominated Sohrab Ghot culminated in the killing of four security personnel. Parts of Sohrab Ghot are now said to be run by tribal laws brought in by new migrants, and de-facto rogue leaders.
In this complex and dangerous environment where the state dares not tread, the procurement of weapons in Karachi has become a matter of survival. As tensions between different factions, be they ethnic, political, religious, or otherwise, increase, this survival moves into the critical stage of its evolution. As such, it is not uncommon today to visit Liyari or Sohrab Ghot and see guns displayed in houses.
Another factor impacting the security situation in Karachi is the influx of Taliban fighters, something that is not new but has increased over the years. Karachi, the economic center of Pakistan, provides both legal and illegal ways to gain access to large streams of revenue, which can be transported back to the tribal areas with ease. Pashtuns have for decades been the majority stakeholders of Karachi’s transport industries, and the Pashtun community presides over areas which are close to the city’s entry and exit zones, linking Karachi to the rest of Pakistan’s industrial zones and the port. If a stranger approaches a truck-driver to deliver money on his journey to the northwest, the latter will likely not question the destination of the money or such a seemingly trivial request. Therefore, as Pashtun dominated areas grow and slip out of state control, and Taliban continue to flow into the city, the state’s inability to police the Taliban via the Pashtun community will become more difficult, while the Taliban will still be able to funnel money away from Karachi and into their operations.
Bilal Baloch is a graduate student at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. He is currently conducting field research in Karachi.
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
Inna lillah hay wa inna ilay hay rajayoon.
I heard on radio that rangers have been ordered to shoot at sight anybody with gun seen outside. I hope they clean up Karachi from all miscreants.
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
but in some other posts i read that anp=taleban, so all pashtuns in karachi=taleban..easy isnt it?
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
Do you believe that?
If not, then it is not that easy. Isn't it?
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
Truly shameful behavior by MQM and ANP. This is not about the Taleban, anyone who says that today is lying.
****ing murderous rats and their apologist supporters .
People on the ground are reporting that ANP/MQM affiliated gunmen are going into people’s houses, shooting people inside and setting houses on fire. Jahil, nasl parast assholes.
Follow this link for live developments. Note that several reporters categorically state that this is not about taleban. Just racist pricks fighting for turf. Karachi violence, over 100 dead
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
sometime its hard to digest the realities. im not taking side of any poltical/ethenic/relgious party in karachi but what Khoji bring up here is what realy happening around in karachi. No ONE in karachi want violance but some elements working on this cause to not bring peace in karachi. The fact is clear Karachi is on heating point between ANP/PPP/MQM to get control of the city and the benifits of it taken by Jehadies/JI.
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
that may be the case. but today, for the 90 people killed, the murderers are ANP and MQM.