Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
M_S - just as I was beginning to warm to your argument you do the bogey thing, geesh
UTD summed it up, a child is different than push-ups and in the scenario you mentioned the man who did the wrong was punished.
Not even close
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
No, because the gang rape sentences lie outside of the framework of the law of civilised states.
Making someone do press ups, without any form of coersion, is not illegal.
Inflicting a rape on someone is completely illegal.
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BTW it is oppressive to the child's family to be forced to hand her over at 14 or to have her bartered in court at the age of two...
Whoops, Faisal got there.... I'll read your reply to him.
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Again MS, these villiage courts are illegal to begin with so you statement that no laws are being broken is a load of bullsh1t.
"without bringing in unenforcible, oppresive laws,..." Yes you wouldn't want the State to go in and protect women and children who have no say from being forced into marriage, gang raped, or killed.
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very well, let me rework the bogey case.
5 friends are in a room, somewhere in the USA. One of them has his 1-year old son with them.
One of them flicks a bogey at another. Three of them declare the offender to be guilty of bogey flicking and sentence his son to do 5 press-ups once he is 8 years old.
When the kid reaches that age, the bogey flicker takes his son aside and explains that unless the kid does 5 press-ups, then he will be excluded from that group of friends.
The kid then does 5 press-ups.
Have any laws been broken?
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just pathetic...
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I would love for the state to be able to do so. I don’t see a workable way for village courts to be eliminated, however.
Right now, all that can be done is to watch for cases where the law is broken by these courts, and then punish all who are involved. Executing all people on village courts who can be proven to order rapes and murders would be a good start.
Once you put on trial and execute enough of these primitives, the rest are sure to get the picture that no bunch of village councils has the right to violate the rights of a human being.
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M_S - sure again, not even close, we are talking the girl doing push-ups for the rest of her life with a man 36yrs older than her, please stop the analogies, you just reduced a child's life to bogey flicking, hardly commendable.
Do you see how lightly and dismissively you are treating a girl's life? Or at the very least how it sounds?
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Maddy bhai jaan...
Why are you flipping all over the place to prove that "no law is broken"?
What happened is rotten. Hopefully the case will generate enough steam in the media for a judge to take action and haul all these lame village elders into a jail cell and slap them till their cheeks turn beet red and then slap them some more. And then the judge will call this whole ruling as bogus and void. And maybe then, you will come here and say "see, the laws of Pakistan saved the day!"
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No, I was simplifying to the basic principle of someone being punished for someone else’s act.
My argument was based in this principle alone, rather than the nature of the punishment or the act.
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What crime should the elders be charged with?
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Probably none, so maybe the laws of Pakistan need to be changed to protect children (and women) from being bartered like cattle in court.
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... in their case, probably being a moron of highest order is enough.
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And then enforced by people who see that it is serious enough to enforce without saying it is helpless.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
New Hampshire:** A female between the age of 13 and 17 years and a male between the age of 14 and 17 years can be married only with the permission of their parent (guardian) and a waiver**. A female below the age of 13 and a male below the age of 14 are not allowed to marry under any conditions. If both parties are nonresidents of NH and are below the age of 18 they cannot be married in NH under any conditions.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
Linking back to my original argument, the village court (in a judgement that I frankly find unjust) has simply stated that the girl shall marry the 40 year old once she reaches the legal age of marriage.
What is the crime in that? More to the point, what law can be brought in to make that a crime that would not imperil the entire concept of arranged marriages.
The girl’s mother can choose to follow this judgement or not, it is not legally binding. So can the girl. So can, in fact, the man.
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Reza - ??? And the reason you posted that????
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and New Hampshire is relevent because? Reza's peanut butter's gone extra cookie.
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These courts were banned in the early 1970’s so a law does exist in the books to go after those who disobey it. So explain why you defend them, fear of the state?
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lol, your humor is awesome queer
UTD - apathy