Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
Since you seem to be knowledgable about the laws in Pakistan Mad_Scientist and perhaps even Faisal, would you be able to answer a question?
Since the family seems upset about the ruling, do they have another recourse (aside from the pressure that publicity will bring) to have this put aside? Such as using the argument that the child was used in payment for a wrong or that she should not have to pay for the faults of her uncle?
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
Yes, system does work if look at a 2 year girl a 14 years old payment 12 years later to a 60 years old man. Of course it does work.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
The Villiage courts are illegal to begin with thus the whole process is illegal.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
minah, bear in mind that the ruling has no legal status in Pakistan at all
Under the law of the land, she has no obligation at all to marry her daughter to this man. Village courts have no status in Pakistani law.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
But this is NOT arranged marriage - rather Forced marriage...
here's a definition (esp. see highlighted)
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An arranged marriage is a marriage in which neither the bride or the groom has any official say over the selection of their future spouses. However, in an arranged marriage, both parties give full consent to the marriage.
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In Contrast,
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A forced marriage is a marriage that is performed under duress and without the full and informed consent or free will of both parties. Being under duress includes feeling both physical and emotional pressure.
A forced marriage is considered to be domestic violence and an abuse of human rights. Victims of forced marriages often experience physical violence, rape, abduction, false imprisonment and enslavement, sexual abuse, mental and emotional abuse, and at times, murder.
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Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
Ok, let me break it to you this way. 5 guys are in a room, somewhere in the USA.
One of them flicks a bogey at another. Three of them declare the offender to be guilty of bogey flicking and sentence him to do 5 press-ups, which he does.
Have any laws been broken?
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
hey if they can't talk yet then they can't complain right MS.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
Legally, I am sure they have many recourses. Question is, can they, or will they practically exercise any of them. Village life is complicated because of huge dependencies on the landlord and these so-called village elders for the day-to-day living. Most farmers don’t own their own land. If the family decides to contest this decision, they will most likely have to sever their relations with their village people, or move. None of them may be palatable options. The other course is that a court takes *suo-moto *action (on their own, without a police report) and declare the village elders’ decision void.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
As long as it isnt his 2 year old niece who has to do push ups.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
You think the girl, when 14, will ever admit to being under emotional pressure to marry the guy?
I would love her to go public and say this and get out of this whole situation.
But you and I know that when the time comes, she will almost certainly insist that she is acting voluntarily, even if under pressure. because she knows that telling the truth will have awful consequences for her family.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
Can someone do an NPV on this 2 yr old. Want to know whether the 40 yr old is getting overpaid. If that is a case then there should be some grounds for appeal. Just trying to work within the system.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
True. But this sentence will not apply for another 10 years - she’ll be able to talk by then, and if she really does want to get out of it, she can say so.
If she is forced to go ahead despite clearly not wanting to, then the state should get involved.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
UTD - I think M_S was just explaining the law, not agreeing with the situation. Aside from being slightly off calling it an arranged marriage (it's not, it's a payment), he is not condoning it and it seems to be a tribal honor thing rather than an enforcable court ruling.
TY for the explainations M_S and Faisal.
It does seem that instead of everyone dismissing it because to stop them would make them go underground, more of a cry of outrage should be heard and something definite should be done. Some of the guys here treated this rather cavalierly, like it was no big deal and it is.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
^ No, MS is explaining the fked world world that is South Asia. The law can and should be changed so that future occurances do not come to pass and it should be grandfathered at least a generation.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
The point is that “Forced Marriage” is still considered a Human Rights Violation!
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
If the men order the other man to let them have sex with his daughter yes it is illegal. This is a gross violation of Human rights nimrod. This is what has happened, these courts have order Gang Rapes as well MS, are those okay?
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
Oh really, so Gang Rape punishments and honor killings sentenced by these courts don’t really happen?
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
No, you’re wrong. By eluding the atrocious aspects of this whole thing and focusing on justifying the existence of local courts (ah! the statement, “system works”) and calling this whole thing arrange marriage he is by far sidding with the ruling or the very mentality that perpetuate such outrage.
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Bingo. I don’t believe that it is a good thing, but it breaks no laws in itself. Furthermore, without bringing in unenforcible, oppresive laws, it cannot be prevented either. These cases are example of the deficiencies of village cultures in Pakistan.
Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old
What do you mean by "oppresive laws" in .... "without bringing in unenforcible, oppresive laws, it cannot be prevented either"?