Village Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

**What a lucky girl…errr toddler. Hope she doesn’t go topless on a beach. **


Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

Wednesday April 20, 2005
The Guardian

Chewing on a biscuit and gurgling with laughter, two-year-old Rabia plays with her elder brothers outside their mud-walled farmhouse, amid a sea of green wheat. The barefoot toddler flashes a smile as her first words tumble out.

But that innocence will be shortlived if local elders have their way, because Rabia is already promised in marriage - to a man 38 years her senior. A village court determined her fate after her uncle, Muhammad Akmal, was accused of sleeping with another man’s wife. After an hour-long deliberation, the elders found him guilty and fined him 230,000 rupees (£2,070). They also ordered him to marry his niece to the wronged man, 40-year-old Altaf Hussain, once she passed her 14th birthday.

Rabia’s mother, Maqsood Mai, who is separated from her husband, had no say in the matter. But her other uncles were furious.

“This is a terrible crime,” said Muhammad Nawaz, sitting outside the house near the Indus river in southern Punjab. He vowed to move the family before Rabia could be taken away.

“This is the first time in the history of our tribe such a thing happened,” he said.

But Mr Nawaz is wrong. Although village courts are illegal, they still hold a powerful sway in rural Pakistan, and verdicts that target the innocent - particularly women - are common.

Poor farmers still turn to informal justice systems, known variously as jirgas or panchayats, to settle disputes about land, honour and money. The courts have many attractions. In contrast with the plodding, expensive and often corrupt public courts, a panchayat can be convened at a few hours’ notice in a house or under a tree. The gathered elders act quickly, cost little, and are unequivocal in their judgments.

But the justice rendered is often rough, say human rights activists, who say panchayats favour the rich, fuel old notions of bloody revenge, and perpetuate feudal inequalities.

“They nearly always decide in favour of the most powerful,” said Rashid Rehman of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan in the southern city of Multan. “In these areas the people are living in the 16th century. And still the state is sleeping. Why?”

Panchayat decisions can be as bizarre as they are cruel. A panchayat in Lodhran district last year ordered seven women to divorce their husbands, in an effort to end a feud between two clans with marriage ties. Their 25 children were handed over to the fathers.

In another case, a woman claimed by two rival men had her fate decided by the flip of a coin. Panchayats are also central to the phenomenon of karo kari, or honour killings.

Oxfam estimates that between 1,200 and 1,800 women are murdered by their relatives every year in the name of preserving family honour. Many killings are sanctioned by village courts.

The most notorious “honour” case of recent years concerned Mukhtaran Bibi, a 29-year-old Punjabi woman who in 2002 was gangraped on the orders of her local panchayat.

She became an international human rights heroine when, in defiance of local custom, she confronted her attackers in court and had six men sentenced to death.

But an appeal court sparked a national outcry by freeing the convicted men, citing flaws in the original prosecution. Now the supreme court has said it will decide the matter.

But Mukhtaran Bibi’s is an exceptional case - most panchayats go entirely unscrutinised. The weak writ of government in remote rural areas allows rough justice to thrive, according to Mr Rehman of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.

“It’s a story of two countries. People in towns can access modern institutions, but those in the countryside live in a semi-tribal system.”

In Kutcha Chohan, the nearest police station is 25 miles away and the nearest lawyer’s office 60 miles distant. Overstretched police patrols pass by only once a fortnight, residents say, and legal fees are too expensive for poor labourers.

“If a person wants speedy justice, the courts are a waste of time and money,” said Muhammad Hussain Tahir, a neighbour of two-year-old Rabia. In contrast, he said panchayats were decisive and could avert violence between sparring families.

“Their verdicts are mostly good. Maybe they make a mistake 5% of the time,” he said.

Rabia’s case has provoked a storm of controversy in Kutcha Chohan. The district police officer, Maqsood ul Hassan, said the marriage deal had taken place. But it was a simple case of arranged marriage, he said, “so no law has been broken”.

Addressing rallies in several towns this month, President Pervez Musharraf repeated his message of “enlightened moderation” to curb Islamist and tribal extremism. But critics say he has failed to introduce real reform. “Despite their tall claims, the government has not done one iota,” said Hina Jilani, a prominent lawyer and human rights activist. Hopes were raised last year when a high court in Sindh province declared that jirgas were illegal, and ordered police to prevent them being convened. But the order has been widely flouted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,2763,1463610,00.html#article_continue

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

Wasent this discussed before in Pak 1 2 3 section. is this the same case or a different one?

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

Sounds like the same one

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

I don't see it in there.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

Technically, this is simply an arranged marriage. The girl won't get married till she grows up, and she'll continue living with her family until then. Through following the court's verdict,the family has merely agreed that she won't be married to anyone else other than the guy in question.

For now, I really don't see anything illegal. Only if she is actually forced to marry the guy against her will will a wrong act be done.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

Yep at the ripe age of 14, is that how you like them MS, technically?

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

You dont see anything illegal, Hmmmm. Society fails to protect rights of a two year child and you think no wrong has been committed…if there were these guys planning to gang rape this teenager, you would wait till they have gang raped her to deliver your guilty verdict, is that correct?

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I'm curious to know where this type of mentality comes from where a 2 yr old girl is put in the middle of an adult issue.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

masdsci, there is something called a legal age of marriage in pakistan…even if tomorrow she marries with tthe consent of her wali and not just herself, she would be marrying as an adult…making decisions alongst these lines about her marriage at 2 years, is like bringing down the lgal age of maariage to 2.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

hayn? :konfused:

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

also the topic is misleading.... first thread title says "Pakistan court", then news headline says "court" but the real story reveals something else..... am I on a high or author of thread and newspaper on a high?

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

Well, that’s legal. In Pakistan, the age of consent for marriage for females is 14.

Given that the female age of consent for sexual intercourse is 16, all this means is that as long as the man does not hump the girl until 2 years after marriage, no laws are broken.

Pakistan and the UK share the same age of consent for female sexual activity, 16. In Pakistan, you are legally allowed to marry someone 2 years younger than that, and commit no crime as long as you refrain from sex.

Given that it is common in Pakistani cultures (unlike western cultures) for man and wife to live separately for some time after marriage (nikkah), it is perfectly feasible for a man and wife not to copulate for 2 years after marriage.

Only after the rukhsati ceremony do they live together. The nikkah (marriage) and the rukhsati are quite often held several years apart.

Your problem, underthedome, is that like many Americans, you are intellectually incapable of perceiving and understanding how different cultures handle different situations in different ways. In the various American cultures it is all but unimaginable for a couple not to be together immediately after getting married, whereas in Pakistan it is much more common.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

The legal age of marriage in Pakistan is 14. This village court has merely stated that once the girl reaches the legal age, she should marry this man.

The issue now lies moot for the next 12 years. If in 12 years time she willingly marries the man, then no laws of any kind have been broken. If she is forced to marry him against her will, on the other hand, then THAT becomes a matter of concern for society at large.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

To add the EU has deemed the legal age of consent to be 14. That is applicable in all countries that are part of the EU ie 25 out of the 40 nations within Europe.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

Mad_S, you did a good job of explaining to these morons.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

Still did not explain how it becomes a two year olds fate to pay for the sin of an adult.

In effect a two year old just got a life sentence for being born to the wrong family. What happened to the man whos sin she is paying for? If the man whos wife cheated was any kind of man, he should have rejected the child being offered to him like a commodity or payment.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

You’re wasting your time. You think the likes here would actually comprehend what you’re saying?

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

Very disturbing to see people here actually rationalize and justify this incident. Firstly, how is it even an acceptable form of justice to settle disputes by trading girls?!

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

I disagree. It's not disturbing, it's expected.

Re: Pakistan Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

I for one do not see this as justice. It is rather pathetic. But having kids married off at an early age is common in India and Pakistan. I bet there have been a ton of bollywood movies made on the subject.

Married as compensation now that is a scary thought.

Married as a child a practice that is abhorrent in modern day life but part of south asian culture.