Viewpoints from Sindh

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After being here for couple of years, here is my observation abt people

when the majority of the population is punjabi about 44.5% excluding sariki/Hindko people, obviously you see the domination everywhere
Army cannot be strong without punjabis, even in india army is dominated by punjabis/sikhs,
sindhis - they sit silent when they have oppurtunities to grow and they cry when others took their oppurtunities
Mohajirs - you can call them as real pakistanis, they sacrificed everything in the name of country and move to different place where everything is difference except religion, they are more educated ppl and they filled the vaccum in Karachi in the positions vacated by educated sindhi hindus who left to india, when they stablized the urban sindh business and offices then the sindhis felt that Mohajirs are dominating
In India most of the prime ministers are from UP and till now only 2 from south , we don't have complains when 1% of tax is sent to Bihar for education and when they made bihar a special economic zone and giving 1% of tax to them, everyone felt they are poor and they need money
i feel North east as the most neglected areas in india because they have very less seats in parliament and hence no politicain cares abt that region

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Saleem, I challenge you to prove anything you say about the Chief Justice.. I mean, you have yet to provide any evidence to prove what you say, and neither has the govt...

And besides, the CJ was cleared by the Supreme Court... So why do you disrespect such an honorable indivdual?

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Your analysis misses the crucial fact that it is the Pak Army/agencies that is responsible for creating and supporting the jihadi machine in Pakistan

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LOL! What! :rotfl:

Did I somehow miss the sprawling Mohajir Concentration camps on my last visit?!?!? :confused:

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Kekhasan is using the typical MQM tactic- protraying themselves as ‘victims’, and outsiders, even when they are firmly in bed with the agencies, and have a firm role in gov

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Key point. The MQM\PML-Q are in bed with the ISI and the shadowy "evil" Punjabi establishment MQM followers always talk about. How can you oppose the establishment when you directly benefit from them.
The rest of Pakistan is opposing this establishment. The CJ and lawyers movement are opposed to this establishment. MQM is not opposed to it, its a follower and beneficiary of the establishment.

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Forgive me for the ignorance, would someone define establishment.

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This is a new low though.. Comparing Mohajirs to Holocaust Jews!!!!!!!!!!!!

My god, that a huge leap of paranoia!

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I believe he is refering to the Punjabi elite... Its a group of entrenched intrests that people say have concentrated power in a few hands at the expense of all others..

I think most would say its made up of Feudal landlords, the Army, and the Mullahs to some extent.

Kehkashan has a new enemy in the Lawyers and Judges because they oppose Musharaf, who represents the Army (establishment), so he has added them to his list..

Forget that MQM is also in bed with the army, and a govt comprised of Feudal landlords from Punjab, the most hated word in the MQM dictionary...

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dble

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Did you just wake up to Pakistan in 1999? Do you know of Pucca Qila? Laugh all you want kid, but history has already been written from the 50’s to the 70’s and now today.

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Pakistan will crumble in months without the army, that is the sad truth. There is no real unity left after the establishment raped Pakistan over the last 60 years. Mush had some chance to reverse the trend, but that meant making unpleasant but necessary decisions. That upset the establishment and now it wants to destroy Pakistan itself! But if Punjabis agree to it, they should be the first ones dismantling the army or ask the US and India for help if they can't manage on their own.

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MQM supports Mush's agenda, not the establishment. If he reverses track on jihadis and punjab's dominance, MQM will abandon him just as quickly.

For my fellow Men: Afghani Girls...
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So, nobody wants to discuss the original article? Anyone want to tell us why Sindhis are fed up of Pakistan and what role Punjab has played in all of this?

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Wah wah .. kiya baat kee hay ... first of all, I am not bothered of any establishment... be they Punjabi or whatever ... I do not think that establishment has ethnicity, so get your records straight.

Secondly, I do not think that anyone has right to tell others who that person should support. If I support A, B or C ... it should not concern you neither I care who you support. Every party in Pakistan have their supporters and one can criticize parties what one thinks fit (because Parties are doing politics in Pakistan), but that does not mean that any party in Pakistan is Angel and other is Devil. All parties for their supporters are Angels and parties in opposition are Devils (without exception).

As for parties and individual leader in parties are concerned, everyone can have their opinion. You may not agree with me and I would not agree with what you beleive, so let that disagreement stay as disagreement and no more, else everyone can abuse others and become personal on disagreements.

Coming to your post, surely there is no hope for this country when people have made corrupt ex-CJ Iftikhar as their Bhagwan and Cahila Atizaz the poodle of corrupt PPP leadership as their Autaar of Bhagwan. Brother, the day when people would stop worshipping corrupts like Iftikhar and Atizaz, Pakistan would become Paradise :)

As for attacking disgraced ex-CJ supporters, I do not know who did that, but whoever did that ... did wrong, not because disgraced CJ and his 'bhangra dancing' supporters were innocents but because most of his supporters on roads doing Bhangra were misguided idiots and one should not get upset or attack idiots.

On the other hand, it is also possible ... rather most likely, that idiot supporters of disgraced ex-CJ Iftikhar under the supervision of shrewd politician 'Atitaz' started the killing and were responsible of 12th May carnage, as it was disgraced ex-CJ that benefited most from that carnage because government went on back foot after that carnage. So, lets give the credit of 12th may where it truly belongs, that is to Atitaz and his shrewd brain that with the help of his party (PPP) members started killing innocent bystanders and caused the carnage.

All know how things worked out. 12th May carnage and propaganda that followed through corrupt Media used by ex-CJ Iftikhar and his corrupt lawyer Atizaz paid by PPP and PML(N) leadership was bad for Musharraf government and Allies, putting government in situation that Atizaz exploited to get all investigation of reference agaisnt disgraced CJ stopped. PPP and PML(N) also gained by making Musharraf government weaker ... that caused NRO for them and their corrupt leadership to benefit.

Obviously MQM, PML(Q), and Musharraf supporters are not stupid that they would have done what happened on 12th May (as it is they who lost), so I do not think that they could be responsible for 12th May carnage. I believe that the real culprits are those who benefited and they are disgraced ex-CJ, his suporters, his lawyers, and PPP leadership ... who must have done 12th May carnage and put the blame on MQM, PML(Q) and Musharraf supporters. What PPP did after 28th December shows what they can do, and thus there could be no doubt that the real culprits behind 12th May is PPP leadership and PPP supporters.

Anyhow, I think that 12th May in Karachi was a peaceful day compared to 28th December and subsequent days when after the death BB in the hands of retarded fisadi suiciders ... many parts of Pakistan especially Sindh was taken over by another sort of fisadis ... a group of PPP supporters ... who can best be described as followers of 'Kali Mai' ... who started a hurricane of destruction ... looting, raping, killing, burning, and destroying anything that came in their way.

It really surprises me how people still remembering 12th May and talking about it, while trying to forget the Devils that took the roads spreading carnage after 28th of December all over Pakistan, especially in Sindh, mourning with 'dance of death and destruction' when their Goddess died. [Believe me, I respect their Goddess but I do not think that their 'dance of death and destruction' was justified :(]

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So you are prediciting a Rawanda like genocide here! Well done! You are no less than Kekshan in ethnic bias.

Yes there can be a fight between ethnic groups here but at the end of the day they will realize that no group can throw out the other groups and every one has to live here - as they realized in Lebanon after 17 years of civil war.

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And what do you have to say about the supporters of your party, and please suggest a name for their leader like you so aptly came up with one for Benazir.

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hmmm ... well, you are challenging me but how can I prove to someone something who would not accept anything however true and logical?

Anyhow, let me try :)

First of all, Supreme Court did not cleared Iftikhar but what they did was that they stopped the investigation by Supreme Judicial Council on reference against Iftikhar and let him get away with all accusation what was there in the reference.

Now let see what happened:

Suppose I went to a jewlery shop where I saw that shop keeper is holding a policeman and accusing that he stole diamond ring from shop and have it in his pocket. Shop called the police. Now Police wants to search him for the ring. I saw that the accused policeman do not want to give serach and is making all sort of excuses. Then I saw that another man whom police as well as accused policeman knew entered the shop.

This new arrived man started advocating for the accused policeman and made the police agree that they do not do search but let the accused policeman leave the shop. It seems that Police was eager to oblige accused policeman in getting away without search and thus let the accused policeman go without search and declared that shop keeper was holding the accused policeman wrongly.

Shop keeper kept saying that ring is in the pocket of accused policeman and thus police should search him for that stolen Diamond ring. Shopkeeper also started saying that police did not do the job properly by letting the accused policman go and that they should have done the search. Anyhow, since police let the man go, shopkeeper had no choice and he accepted the loss of Diamond ring.

Now you tell me that if the accused policeman is thief or not?

Maybe you would say that he is not thief and that there is no proof that he stole the ring as police let him go. But for me, he is thief.

From what I saw, I believe that if accused policeman was not thief than he would have let the search done but since he was thief, he kept making excuses and in the end got away with Diamond ring because other police (who were also corrupt) helped him get away with the crime. For me, his excuses from getting searched and in the end leaving the shop without search even though he was accused of stealing is ample proof that he stole the ring.

Further, I believe that all those police that were called to search were corrupt as if they were not, they would not have let the accused policeman leave without search. To me, the person that advocated for the accused policeman against his search is also corrupt.

To me, disgraced ex-CJ case is similar to above case ... where ... government is shop keeper. Accused policeman is Iftikhar. Police that let accused policeman leave the shop without search (without going through investigation) are Supreme court judges who let Iftikhar get away without investigation. And the man that entered the shop and started advocating for accused policeman to police so that they can let him go is Atitaz.

To me, all that helped Iftikhar get away without investigation on reference charges are corrupt as are those in above story. To me, if Iftikhar was innocent of accusations than he would have helped in investigation as it was in his interest (in story, if accused policeman did not stole the ring, he would have let the serach happen, rather would have asked for search himself).

I think that what happened in ex-CJ case ... the way Iftikhar was avoiding investigation, the way supreme court judges helped him avoid investigation and the way Atitaz argued so that investigation is not done, is ample proof that Iftikhar and all invovled in getting him away from investigation are corrupt.

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^LOL

If he calls Benazir Kali Mai, i wonder whathe considers Altaf Hussain!
?Gora Sahib?

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Which party and which leader? please specify as I have no particular party ... as yet :) .... and yea ... I did not gave BB any name other than ... 'Goddess' for some and 'mega corupt leader' to me.

As for Kali Mai ... I did not call that to BB ... but I called PPP supporters who behaved the way they did after BB death .... as they were supporters of Kali Mai (not supporter of BB) ... and that is why I wrote ... 'a group of PPP supporters that can best be called .... followers of Kali Mai' ... but as you know ... it is not a group of PPP supporters that support BB but all PPP supporters support BB ... So, please take words used according to what they are used for:)