Viewpoints from Sindh

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You're not understanding me are you. I know the Punjabi\Pakistani establishment is a problem. The MQM is part of the establishment now. You support Chaudry and his PML-Q. You are helping to rig the elections. You will be aiding in opressing the will of the people. You support Mush and your people attacked the CJ who was completely anti-establishment. You are a hypocryte.
And every time you point fingers at Punjabi establishment remember you gave up on every one of your principals to support the dictator when his opposition (lawyers movement and CJ) only asked for human rights and rule of law.

So tell me on these Sindhi\Pashtun forums how much love is there for the MQM? The day Pakistan dissolves (and it just might happen) Karachi will literally be knee deep in blood and the MQM and their ethno-facist agenda will be obliterated by the rest of the city (MQM is <50% of the cities pop). I'm surprised they dont think of these things when they opress the rights of their fellow citizens to support the dictator.

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what a terrible absurd comparison he made. LOL, LOL, LOL
This coming from the party that supports the dictator in supressing and opressing fellow parties.
Here is what I propose.
Remove Mushy, Outlaw the PML-Q and lock up the Chaudries.
After thats finished go to Karachi hold a democratic referendum, since the majority of the people in the city are opposed to the MQM and since in Mushys time the MQM supported the dictator and opposed teh democratic pro-human rights forces. Ban the MQM and lock up all their leadership as a ethnic fundamentalist party who is pro-violence, terrorism and ethnic extremism.

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You mean defending a person (ch Iftikhar) who was involved in corruption, misuse of power, misconduct and worse kind of nepotism means being honest? ... If you like to know honesty of Ch Iftikhar than ask the guy who could not join medical college or could not get government post because Iftikhar son could ... and Atizaz in collusion with corrupt judges, corrupt lawyers, and corrupt politicians, played a big role in politicising Iftikhar case and getting all investigation on Iftikhar stopped ... so, is that honesty?

You mean, as Law Minister ... appointing political workers of his party, many even convicted criminals, as judges (that itself is nepotism, corruption, misuse of power and being unjust on desreving candidates) is bring honest?

That is what Ch Atizaz is all about. He is intelligent and well presented. But, I think that he has no honesty, principle or morality ... and can dump country or party for selfish reasons any time.

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He did indeed decide to not go into elections because of his fellow lawyers, so yes he does have principles. And unlike other two-bit contenders who can't even qualify to teach a high school class, he does have education and discipline, which is exactly why he's suffering because of his beliefs and what he stood for. And that is also why he's a better choice than most of the people out there, certainly better than illiterate Wasi Zafar who Mr. Musharraf and Q-League elected as the Law Minister (A shame).

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wah, wah. There is no hope for this country. The entire world honors people like the CJ and Aitzas for there bravery and courage for protecting law, order and human rights. You Mush supporters still find a way to put them down. Fantastic.
BTW so the CJ may have helped his son get in school, you support MQM no? What about the legions of people your bhagwan Altaf "bhai" has had killed and murdered. Why did Altaf "bhai" attack the CJ's supporters last May.
So you people even oppose those who stand by the simple principles of law order and human rights and you still speak of Punjabi establishment this and that.... There are 3 enemies to the nation right now. Mushy, the PML-Q and MQM
They will all burn and suffer for what they've done, mark my words its a matter of short time now. The true and right always prevails.

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thats why they say never talk about politics, religion and ethnicity :)

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Brother, first of all you should have denied what I wrote or accepted and not go into bush beating by comparing one from another ... as I did not write if Wasi Zafar was good or bad or even took name of any other person :) ...

Now, no doubt that Atizaz is educated, well presented and quite shrewd person. I appreciate his knowledge, his intelligence, and the way he uses them (occasionally to twist facts in his conversation in most subtle way).

As for him not contesting election ... on PPP ticket, I think that it was a very shrewed political move by him, with lot of foresight, and nothing to do with principle. Seeing his political position today and understanding the ground realities of Pakistan politics, to me, he is gambling for much higher position than what he could get by being a PPP candidate in one NA seat.

You should know that he has no big future in PPP especially after Ex-CJ case his future in PPP has become worse (and those who know how PPP works would know what I mean). I would not have been surprised if PPP had denied him even ticket. He knows where he stands and I think he has achieved all what he can from PPP and now he is on another political route.

So, dont tell me that he did not contested election because of any principle, neither he is suffering because of any principle, but all is part of third world political necessity ... where politician test his standing and try to become an entity above being just a political party member contesting election. The route he is taking, he could win or lose but that is part of politics in third world.

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Well said :k:

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This is not any scale. Whole world was applauding and supporting Mush only a year or two ago. were you also supporting "dictator" then?

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Due to requests from "higher authorities", I will refrain from continuing this discussion as not to affect the nazuk sensibilities of some people. One last think I will say is that it is very shameful that certain groups have hijacked Pakistan and the Pakistani flag and now claim only their way is the true patriotic way. Same was done with Bengalis. Intelligent people will see the truth, others will never.

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I see why are you appreciating his angst. The more country stays in political turmoil, the more nation revolts against army, the more Jihadists and terrorists flourish.

It’s time we woke up to the fact that lack of democracy is not even one percent of a threat that extremism poses to Pakistan.

Prople have been skillfully distracted by terrorist missionaries to fighting over who gets to rule the country, while Pakistan is at the brink of losing two of its provinces as headquarter bases of infamous Al-Kaida.

If there is one concieveable force that can save pakistan from these cold-blooded killing machines is Pakistan’s army. If there is most critical time in the history of pakistan when Pakistan’s army needs support from the contrymen, Its Now.

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Let me say only that I think all this talk of ethnicity is over blown.
In my opinion there are no good or bad ethnic groups in Pakistan. I have no problem with anyone. Every single group in the federation has done terrific things for the whole. Every group deserves our praise and to generalize about anyone is immoral and incorrect.

I would only say at this juncture that those forces who are contributing to support Musharraf, fix the elections and oppose democracy, the will of the people, the rule of law, human rights, comman decency and morality should be opposed by everyone. We all have these joint values and principles.

When PML-Q supports the establishment, antagonizes the Sindhis, supports dictatorship, I can understand. They are an evil little insignificant production of the intelligence agencies. Quite literally no one supports them and without election rigging they would not exist. The day they lose that support they will be washed away like the dirty stain on Pakistan they are.

Any other group or party should think long and hard before they find themselves in the same boat.

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The army can have our support only AFTER they remove themselves from politics. Stop oppressing and killing ordinary normal educated Pakistanis. This army does not want democracy, freedom, humran rights, law and order. It wants only to usurp power.
Until it changes its ways this is an army of opressors, killers, bandits who drink the blood of our nation. I will support the Indian army before I support them the army we have today. That is the resounding cry of every normal person in the country.

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PML-Q, here today, gone tomorrow but the problem of lack of provincial autonomy, concurrent list, hijacking of Pakistan's ideology etc. will remain...

Once again, go and speak to people from other provinces before declaring that ethnic divide is not a big issue.

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Provincial autonomy is an abosolute must. Secondly and most importantly, groups or organizations that promote ethinic chauvanism, hatred or exclusivitiy should be banned.
Again this returns to the matter at hand. With a dictator who is opposed to law and order, human rights et al. How can we have any of these things.
When the CJ was sacked by Mushy what was he doing? He was asking for information on the missing peoples list many\most of whom were from ethnic minorioties and mostly seperatists. Why? Because they too deserve their rights.
So again I ask, why do you oppose law and order, human rights, democracy by supporting a dictator. By supporting the dicatator are you not advocating for a strong non-inclusive center?

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Malik what would you say about Musharaff "The dictator" stepping down, and Kayani taking charge?

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I say that Kiyanni or Mushy or whoever mind his own business and do the job the people of Pakistan PAY HIM TO DO i.e. be a soldier. NOT dictate and be a tyrant to the people who pay his salary. They have no right to do that.

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That's priority one now. Agreed.

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Mushy is a civil SERVENT. The people of Pakistan paid him to do them a service, act as a soldier. By breaking the laws of the country, toppling the govt., attacking the judiciary, kidnapping and killing innocent Pakistanis, possibly helping to murder BB and supporting evil forces like MQM PML-Q Mushy should be charged for high treason .