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you can take a horse to water but you can't make the horse drink....
anyway, i have this friend who sends me all those annoying fwds since years now. i hope its not coz he wants to marry me..
Re: Very Very COMPLEX rishta situation
you can take a horse to water but you can't make the horse drink....
anyway, i have this friend who sends me all those annoying fwds since years now. i hope its not coz he wants to marry me..
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well first how do u know if hes divorced with a kid or not. If so,why wouldnt he come clear in the first place.And if the matrimonial site is just random stuff he has put up , so when you emailed saying "i know" he should have cleared his side.Hes dodgy and confusing, keep away from people who dont make sense to u.You can really find better ,so i would say move on.Theres plenty of fish for everyone.
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He is forwarding you the emails. Lot of people forward the mails to a mass list. I dont think that it should be looked as something personal
I have clearly mentioned to him that IF he is a divorcee, we are not interested in him. Do you really think guys can be that cheap to continue contacting the girl EVEN if she rejected him on some ground?
Guys r complex :O
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you can take a horse to water but you can't make the horse drink....
anyway, i have this friend who sends me all those annoying fwds since years now. i hope its not coz he wants to marry me..
But he is NOT my friend and we only for this rishta purpose. If things do not work out, people move on and try never to contact each other IN ARRANGED SETTING...
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I have clearly mentioned to him that IF he is a divorcee, we are not interested in him. Do you really think guys can be that cheap to continue contacting the girl EVEN if she rejected him on some ground?
Guys r complex :O
They CAN do that. but to them, it may not be THAT big a deal... cuz they are just forwarding mails. Like TLK said, it isnt necessarily a personal thing.
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if he is not your friend, why is he sending you forwards? are these forwards about arranged marriages, or friendly jokes? ![]()
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well first how do u know if hes divorced with a kid or not. If so,why wouldnt he come clear in the first place.And if the matrimonial site is just random stuff he has put up , so when you emailed saying "i know" he should have cleared his side.Hes dodgy and confusing, keep away from people who dont make sense to u.You can really find better ,so i would say move on.Theres plenty of fish for everyone.
I know he is VERY confusing. This is one of a kind experience for me and for everyone.
I did my job to let him know that we KNOW about his divorce and kid. I have blocked him. Thats what I could do.
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You are having trouble trying to block him on Hotmail?
Try How to Block Senders and Emails on Hotmail: 3 Easy Ways
Also, you’re trying to find a reason to somehow cling on to to that guy even if you don’t think so. If you were over him, this would be a non-issue. There’s plenty of good advice in this thread. You just need to move on. Let it go and ignore.
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I feel that he full-out played you! Even if his mother did say no to you, would a man who likes a girl really just accept that and do nothing for it? Even the biggest-mama boy want to marry a girl he likes over the one his mother likes. I can understand if he didn't like anyone and went with Mum's choice, but he's telling you he likes you but has to marry someone else?
He kept you around and waiting because it may just be a appealing thing to do, psychologically. Ofcourse to remain the good-sweet-caring guys, he says things like "don't wait for me, go on with your life" yet he knows he's got a hold of you and is still holding onto you.
I don't think he lied about being divorced, I think he lied to you and your family. He must not be interested to begin with, otherwise he would start off with the truth. It's sort of hard to hide a kid and a divorce.
Regardless, I would have confronted him about this divorce but he could have just lied some more so you just saved your self some time and energy. Let it go and forget him. sometimes people do things that don't make sense but they do it just for the hell of doing it.
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What concerns me is that you somehow think just becuase he is divorced, him and his family by default are desperate, and cannot possibly conduct themselves in a classy and decent manner?
Sounds like you're grasping at straws because you're ego was shattered that a divorcee rejected you.
We are not sure whether he is divorcee or not. His and his family behaviour was not hideous. Besides that, it he was divorcee, why would his mom object to his choice (i.e. me). He did not acknowledge that he is a divorcee. He just did not give any explanation to me.
I do not know. But he never hinted that he was a divorcee. We had been in touch with his complete family and no one hinted that. It is a very respectable and educated family and we never expected that from that (if that is the truth).
He belongs to an excellent family. His family and his behaviour was like if it was for first marriage. He told me from young age he wanted to stay away from arranged marriages so he wants to talk to the girl first. All his facebook, my space etc shows that he is single. He was never confused in his interactions. He has shown me all his family's contacts email addresses by sending me forward emails. He was never ever conscious that I can find about his divorce from someone. His behaviour has been very confident throughout.
Why would his mom oppose me if he was a divorcee? Wouldn't she be saying an instant YES for any proposal his 'divorcee' son agrees to
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Yeah I am trying my level best to forget everything. Afterall, it was all arranged. But this has certainly taught me many things.
Hun! I hope u get over this.
You are reading way too much between the lines. If he lied about his divorce (whether to u or on his matrimonial website) then u should just move on. You are focusing on the little issues like why he didnt delete u and his 1 forward e-mail per month... but the issue is way bigger than that. Please do not waste ur energy on something that is just not worth it. He is a divorcee and u know that ur not interested in a divorcee so just close that chapter of ur life and move on.
People just dont make themselves a divorcee on a matrimonial website.. they try to be as perfect and baggage-free as possible. Also, he did not argue with u when u e-mailed him that u knew about his divorce so that makes him look guilty.
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May be he just wanted to look for a divorced girl (which he can do by making a fake divorced profile of himself) so that his mom agrees on me (at least I am single).
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Now why would you think that?
I doubt you are over him
Block his mails....simple as that
& stop keeping tabs on him about msn or the matrimonial site etc....period
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I think only queer understood the situation correctly. He told you to move on so it doesn't matter anymore if he is or not divorced. Like others said you want this to work so you are trying to come up with excuses to his behaviour. I don't think he has done anything to still lead you on, fwd chain emails don't mean anything. You need to move on with your life.
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Ok So here I am sharing my experience.
He went back to USA and remained in contact on email to me telling me that his mom is interested somewhere else but he is interested in me and he wanted to be in touch. We said we will inform him if we finalise things anywhere.
^Sorry, if this sounds harsh......but a guy who has good intentions and is SERIOUS about you will make the EFFORT to convince his parents....he won't just tell you to "keep in touch." That's basically the equivalent of keeping you hanging. And while what he did was wrong, you're partly to blame for not seeing that.
And he chatted with me and asked me about my rishta situation and if anything is going to happen soon and I told him these things take time and I can still be in touch until something is finalized on my side. But he still asked me to move on. Then I deleted him from my chats.
^You made the own decision to hurt yourself. If you choose to "keep in touch with the guy" until something is finalized on your end....didn't you realize that the more you keep in contact with him....the stronger your feelings will grow....and the harder it will be for you to have an open mind toward other rishtas? He asked you to move on...because he knew what he was doing. A guy who is seriously interested in a girl....and wants to marry her........will not let her go so easily by telling her to "move on."
But he kept on sending me forward emails for two months and he also sent these to the whole of his family.
^You could have chosen to completely block his email, but you didn't. ** Forwards are NOTHING special. **I get forwards from people whom I don't even consider my friends. I even get forwards from people I don't like. I've even sent forwards to people that I'm not close to and rarely talk to. Deep down.....you feel hurt that you wasted your time on this guy....and to protect your own ego....you're looking for ANY sign or hope that might indicate that he "likes" you. Sorry, but forwards are not really significant.
Then my family saw his profile on one matrimony site where he listed himself as divorcee with one kid. He made this profile since the time he asked me to wait for him after meeting me. I wonder if this was true coz he belongs to a very nice family and we never had a hint about his divorce.
*^In general....just because a person is divorced....does not mean that they are bad or don't come from a "nice family." If your preference is to marry someone who was not previous divorced and has a child....then that's another issue. *
I sent him an email advising him that we now know about his divorce n kid and I wish him good luck. The objective of my email to him was that he shud stop all contact with me. He replied “Thank u much”. Since then he is not coming much on that matrimonial site.
^By allowing his emails to reach you....and by telling him that you "can still keep in touch until things get finalized for you"....YOU are ALSO keeping in touch with him. It takes 2 people to "keep in touch" so you can't put all the blame on him.
I know he still has kept me in his contact list. Now dun ask me how… Its just a computer trick and it has proved to be accurate…
*^It doesn't matter if he has you on his contact list. That's his marzi. You can't control his email account and you can't control his actions. BUT you do have greater control over your own actions......and YOU ....could choose to block him. Did that idea occur to you? *
No, I do not have any hopes from him. We are proceeding with other proposals but no proposal seems to be as good as him. I am just unable to understand his behaviour. He is a mature guy, not a teenager. He liked me a lot and we clicked instantly. He said he would never do an arranged marriage n he wanted to proceed with me.
^No other guy is as "good" as him because YOU made the mistake of keeping in touch with him....so therefore you grew attached to him. You have to take some of the blame here. You can say that this guy is not a teenager or bacha.....but you can't call him mature. People can be "old" but immature. A mature guy would be honest with you about his divorce and child. Who cares if he doesn't want an arranged marriage. He's obviously not serious enough about you....and if you let him "proceed" with you....you can choose to make a fool of yourself again.
I need to know about this guy’s behaviour. We are 99% sure that he is not a divorcee. Then why is he doing so? May be he wants to show some divorcee girl to his mom so that his mom agrees on me? Does he not want to let go of me? May be he still has hope that him mom will agree and he will contact me to know if I am still single?
**LMAO! How can you prove with 99% accuracy that he is not a divorce? Do you live in the same country as him? Have you witnessed his personal life? Have you seen marriage records or are you just basing your assumptions on things that he told you in person and online? Do you think that people can't lie? "Does he not want to let go of me?" Seriously???? If he was serious about you....he wouldn't have told you to move and would be HONEST about his life...and would make an active effort to marry you and introduce his family (in person) to you. You need to develop higher standards and more respect for yourself. "Maybe he still has hope?" LOL....sounds like you're the one who is still "hoping" and desperate to marry him when he is just stringing you along.
** Any thoughts on this??? Only serious replies please.
Although there's a possibility that this guy has lied about his divorce and child....and while he's leading you on.........I found myself feeling more irritated with YOU (because of your naivete and lack of self-respect) than with him. Don't make the mistake of putting your life on hold for someone who is wishy-washy. Stop all contact with him....move on. Stopping contact means that you need to block him from contacting you and not respond to his contacts. It will be hard at first...but eventually the intensity of the pain will decrease....and you will be able to look at other rishtas with a more open mind. You can even find someone better than him. Also you need to have the maturity to reflect over your own mistakes.
I think the root of the problem here is YOU and how you don't respect yourself. A woman who respects herself would want a guy who is serious about her and is honest with her. She wouldn't settle for anything less than that....and she would "move on" when the guy has rejected her. And please don't tell me that he never rejected you. It's not easy for people to reject others.....so they make excuses like "my parent's don't want this"......"I'm not ready for a relationship"......"you deserve better than me"...etc. You can't control this guy but you can wake up and grab control of your life.
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^ Yup
^ Yup
I think its funny that you think he is showing a divorced girl to his parents so they can see how much better you are compared to her. ![]()
Listen, divorced people have standards too. And at times, much higher than yours might be because they dont have time for bewaqoofiyan. They only want smart people who are NOT LIMITED in thought or experience. He probably met you, thought you were okay, didnt have the heart to outright tell you NO so he told you he would be in touch.
You need to take a hint and let it go.
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There is nothing complex about this rishta situation. He is divorced. He has a child. He doesnt like you.
When people have kids, they have to think even more carefully about the kind of spouses they choose to marry...its not just a matter of them anymore...it also involves their child. He may have thought you're not the person he wants around his kid.
If a man wants you, you WILL know about it. You dont need to guess about anything or figure out what this means or that means...blah blah blah.
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These emails are usually on Islamic topics also forwarded to the whole of this khandan along with me. He never did forward any email when I had kept on 2 chats and we used to see each other online, although not chat. I only contacted through email and that too when my asked me to and he always replied to the emails.
His behaviour seemed to be that of a normal guy who might be taking some time to make his mom agree for his choice of girl until the time he asked me to move on (and that too when we emailed him, he did not send this MOVE ON email on his own) and until the time we found about his profile as divorcee which was made 4 months before he finally asked me to move on.
How could he put up a profile on the web site as divorcee when he was lying to me about his status (I told him that my rishta wali aunty also considering guys for me from the web site, so he knew we COULD get to know about his divorce from there) when he wanted me to keep him the loop about any progress on my side.
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What concerns me is that you somehow think just becuase he is divorced, him and his family by default are desperate, and cannot possibly conduct themselves in a classy and decent manner?
Sounds like you're grasping at straws because you're ego was shattered that a divorcee rejected you.
He and his family had NOT acted in a decent manner if they lied about his divorce to us. No I am not shattered that he rejected. My family in any case is not willing to marry me off with a divorcee.
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So, you are the one who kept contacting him! Maybe he didn't want to say NO out right and thought you would get the hint. You are making this complex when it really isn't.
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Although there's a possibility that this guy has lied about his divorce and child....and while he's leading you on.........I found myself feeling more irritated with YOU (because of your naivete and lack of self-respect) than with him. Don't make the mistake of putting your life on hold for someone who is wishy-washy. Stop all contact with him....move on. Stopping contact means that you need to block him from contacting you and not respond to his contacts. It will be hard at first...but eventually the intensity of the pain will decrease....and you will be able to look at other rishtas with a more open mind. You can even find someone better than him. Also you need to have the maturity to reflect over your own mistakes.
I think the root of the problem here is YOU and how you don't respect yourself. A woman who respects herself would want a guy who is serious about her and is honest with her. She wouldn't settle for anything less than that....and she would "move on" when the guy has rejected her. And please don't tell me that he never rejected you. It's not easy for people to reject others.....so they make excuses like "my parent's don't want this"......"I'm not ready for a relationship"......"you deserve better than me"...etc. You can't control this guy but you can wake up and grab control of your life.
Aray baba what I had been doing was what my family asked me to do. Everyone of us failed to read his behaviour correctly. YES, I have lost all my self-respect in the arranged setting where I am asked to consider every guy irrespective of his age, education, family background etc. So when this guy came, he was perfect in everything (we did not know about his divorce then). It was obvious I wanted things to move ahead here. We got haan from then, his mom called me BAHU, invited my mom to her home in Pak, everything was going so smooth. When I told him to clear things up as I did not want to linger things on, he immediately flied to Pak via UAE (for one week only) and met us and said he was going to talk to his mom. He also told me then that his mom was showing him another girl. But he would talk to her about us. Then he called me from Pak, we cudn't talk coz of line disturbance. When he returned to US, he clearly told us that his mom was interested somewhere else but he was interested in me so he wanted to be in touch.
We had been considering other proposals keeping this guy aside but things did not materialise anywhere. Everyone in my family said there was no harm in keeping him in chats. But we again emailed him in January and then only he asked me to move on.
So u see that the situation led me to have interest in him. When he asked me to move on, I did without even asking him a question. It was he who asked me about the possibility of finalising things anytime soon which I told him that these things take time. But then I just removed him from chats and thought he would also do the same.
The chapter was closed for me and my family until he started sending the forward emails and we saw his divorcee profile. May be it was Allah SWT's way to tell me why he did not choose this proposal for me. But being a human being, thoughts come to your mind WHY and HOW did this happen to me :(