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What exactly is an adopted daughter? Can you please explain?

I thought a son/daughter is some who you beget. What the hell is an "adopted daughter"?

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Please now I am out of this thread, I have been wasting my times with ppl who donot know the difference between adopted children and biological children?....Thank you very much I Quit, You Win !

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^ Please do!

We've been explaining the difference between adopted children and biological children sice the very beginning. If there's anyone whose having a difficulty understanding that difference and the laws relating to them...its you lot.

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Pak vs WI - Ist ODI Saturday April 23 2011 at Gros Islet, ST LUCIA
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With all due respect please read the freaking thread before making statements. I never said marrying your adopted daughter is OK. Before blabbing accusation please read what the person has said.

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I went through the whole thread and could not understand why everbody is going after you; you made some very good observations and raised some genuine questions.

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Let me make this simple for you.Let me explain to you with an example. Supposedly there is an orphan girl and you(Sorry Not you, but some warmhearted person) decide to adopt her. Then the girl is an adopted daughter for the person. Hope I have made the concept clear. If your thick brain still fails to comprehend what is the meaning of the "adopted daughter" please consult a doctor immediately. You might be entitled to some benefits like free lodging, food, medicines etc...

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It is not Halal to have children through artificial insemination etc - and in some previous discussion topics 'adopting' a child was recommended by some Guppies.

I fear for the adopted child, since they could be made to marry their 'Father".

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Keep dreaming. Islam doesn't need your updates and never will. The most you'll ever be able to do about it is to not practice certain things that you don't want to for yourself.

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1) do not adopt unless you intend to give that child a good and loving upbringing without discriminating between biological and adopted kids. Otherwise it is wanton cruelty. (From now on if I come across any adoption by muslims I will ensure child welfare agency asks this questions)

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As mentioned by USResident, do not form any form of relationship unless you can do justice with it by fullfilling the proper rights and responsibilities. This is not confined to just adoptees.

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... Cousins should not marry each other.

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If Allah says cousin marriages are ok, then they're ok, period. You can however choose not to marry your cousin. That's your personal choice.

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3) Avoid argiuements with people whose idea of using their brain is to parrot out so called staements and examples of the prophet, only to back track as soon as the. errors of such acts and deeds are exposed.
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And we should avoid arguing with people whose idea of using their brain is to parrot out that we need to update Islam.

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Hi

Are you saying this to me or TA?

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Assuming that your location(USA) is true, I would like to challenge you to do what Quran satates(marrying your adopted daughter) and will find yourself in Guatamabo ? I am prettty sure you will find your answers why you have to look at culture, ethics or cast to make a decision and not follow Quran and Sunna blindly over there.
And Mr. USResident, Thanks to your posts, you have encouraged one more to follow your path..ie.. this guy also sees Halal thoughts in marrying his own adopted daughter. Only if you had answered sternly NO to marrying adopted relatives.

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Sorry, my bad. I was referring to TA in my post. He's posing some genuine questions and IMO you are trying to defend Islam no matter what. You have asked some good questions but overall I feel that you are missing the point. Just my thoughts. And please do not ask me to defend my stand; I'll end up spending a lot of time doing that. Thanks.

*~ Meira Sub Sey Pyara Dushmen ~*
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No problem, you are entitled to your opinion. I feel the same way that TA is also missing my point just as you think I am missing his.

I applaud you for at least being more respectable and honest unlike TA whose been resorting to calling others mentally inferior or unfit for not accepting his POV.

The essence of what I was saying is:

Step father is not equal to Biological father but rather Guardian who has a trust.

Nice talking to you.

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Don't think it was me.

Perhaps you should see Jerry Springer and like shows and you will be shocked at what else happens in USA.

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Are you even faintly trying to justify or atleast relate what happens in Jerry Springer shows with laws of Quran............Dude, you are some messed up guy ! What happens in JS shows are not legal at all ? Let alone if they are ethical or not ?

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Dude, your the one who lacks reading comprehension. You were asking the person about marrying an adopted daughter or something like in USA and see what happens. To which I pointed out there are a lot more immoral things that happen in USA which you can see on such shows. Seriously, get a grip of yourself and stop frothing. Its not me who is messed up. You should go back to grade school man.

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Mods, I think enough people here are now flabbergasted. Maybe we should close this thread. At least I'm bugging out since insanity and hatred are taking a grip here and people cannot even read properly. Been a pleasure standing up here.

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Yes, immoral things happen everywhere. That does not justify that you can do it too and hide behind the teachings of the Quran. And why should I go to grade school ??.......to learn that its OK to marry adopted chidren ?? Thanks but no thanks !!

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Peace Rocking vibes

What is it in your principles that prevents you from marying adopted children?

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A few additional thoughts after reading the later posts:

1) Even ppl who think. Islam should not be changed or updated seem to agree it is wrong and that they wouldn't marry their daugter in law or daughter (adopted). Phew! What a relief.

But then, they don't want to say what the prophet did (apparently based on what Allah told him) was wrong.

I really wonder what they are afraid of. What's the problem admitting it is wrong since you obviously think so (which is why you hastily clarify you won't do it!)

  1. And it is ILLEGAL to treat adopted children differently than biological children. What kind of a person who adopts out of love will the discriminate amongst his/her own children? This is as bad an abomination as poligamy and islam MUST be rectified in this regard.

3) And there are now some ppl blatantly stating 'if quran says it's ok to marry your adopted daughter (in law) then it is ok"! How can anybody reading that ever respect quran and islam afer this?

These are people who have had some education that come here and say these things.

May be not even Allah can save islam and muslims at this rate.

Har Waqt Chaudhry nae bn'na chahye
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1)Again, I stand by my word and say there is absolutely nothing wrong in what Rasulullah (S.A.W) did. Islam does NOT need updates and changes to suit YOUR liking. It is what it is and will never need any changes, period. You don't seem to be able to comprehend the simple concept that your daughter in law and the wife of your adopted son are NOT the same thing.

2)Islamic laws on adoption and polygamy are fine the way they are. There is nothing to rectify in Islam, but only in ourselves. If you don't want to practice polygamy, then don't practice it yourself. That's your choice. You have no right to tell anyone else to do it or not to do it.

However, if you ask people if they would be willing to marry multiple wives, you'll see a handful who would. I know a handful who have, and yet others who are planning/considering.

And others I know, even though they personally wouldn't, don't mind others doing so. So does that mean it's something right? By your logic of if people will be ready do it/not ready to do it, it seems like it is, right? So will you now admit that it is ok, because people are doing and people are accepting of those doing it?

However, none of that is necessary to convince me. If Allah says it's ok, it's ok. It doesn't matter what you or anybody else says after that.

3)If Quran says something is ok, it's ok whether you like it or not. If Quran says it's ok to marry your adopted son's ex wife, it's ok. If you don't like it, simply don't do it yourself. That's all you can do about it, nothing more.

The people saying who they would personally not do it does not make it wrong, not in the least. That's the exact same situation as people who would only marry only their own caste or what not. It's a personal choice and that's it. Nothing more, nothing else. There would be no sin in marrying outside their caste, but they exclude certain people out of personal choice, which may be affected by other factors such as social pressure etc.

Allah can do anything He pleases. He is not at all vulnerable to His creation. He doesn't need us, we need Him. Make no mistake, He has been protecting Islam and He will continue to do so. He created everything, and He knows His creation better than anyone else.

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