well clearly the Pubes didn't get what they wanted out of this.. a reversal of the momentum Ketchy got from his first debate with Duhbya.
Prissy Eddy was on the ball; despite being inexperienced and hey.. if that effeminate lean back to take a swig out of a blue mug doesn't bag old hags and gay votes.. nothing else will.
i guess cheney dint visit the site he mentioned during the debate recently:
it redirects to georgesoros.com with a message why not to re-elect bush again.
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is edwards known as "senator gone" in his town? lol that was kinda funny..i didnt watch the whole debate..edwards didnt defend himself either on that issue
i got pissed at edwards when he defended israel and how israeli kids are getting killed...what about the palestinian kids? they need to talk about a fix/solution and not just keep lickin jewish behinds
Yeah, and he didn’t mention Shias or Ahmadis either. How could he. I am not voting for him. Who is the vice president of Pakistan?
i got pissed at edwards when he defended israel and how israeli kids are getting killed...what about the palestinian kids? they need to talk about a fix/solution and not just keep lickin jewish behinds
that is the age old political tradition of PANDERING.... which is essentially butt kissing with a nicer name..... In america jews vote and give money to political candidates.... that gets them some pander time....Muslims could easily do the same...
pucker up buttercup...
IMO, Cheney carved up Edwards like a Thanksgiving turkey during the first half of the debate and the second half just slowed down into a morass of nothing. Anytime you see GW haters say something is a tie, you know that their side got trounced.
GW and administration supporters at least had the honesty to acknowledge that Kerry did a better job in the first debate and "won." The Senator Gone thing and "this is the first time I've ever met you" absolutely slayed Edwards. So too did the "if you can't stand up to Howard Dean, how can you stand up to Al Qaeda." Cheney, always in quiet command of the facts, just blistered Kerry and Edwards on their voting record.
Substance wise, Cheney blew Edwards away. Style is a harder thing to gauge. But, I think for the undecided vote (which is all that counts), Cheney exuded confidence, wisdom and fatherly (grandfatherly) experience. Edwards more resembled the young rookie while Cheney resembled the grizzled veteran QB that you want to lead you to victory in a tough game.
Cheney seemed as bitter as an old man trying to send cold soup back to the kitchen in a deli.
When the question of AIDS was brought forth Cheney was concerned that the AIDS effect would cause there to be "nobody to do the basic work that runs an economy." What a cold and odd thing to say.
After Cheney brought up Edwards attendance record and threw in a lie about tonight being the first time meeting Edwards (they had met more than once before) Edwards brought up Cheney’s voting record and how Cheney ** voted against ** Martin Luther King Day, ** voted against ** the meals on wheels program, ** voted against ** the resolution to set Nelson Mandela free and the response by Cheney was quite powerful, which was silence, as all these charges are sadly true.
Edwards was able to leave the impression that Cheney’s fingers are dipped in Halliburton and that despite a current investigation they are receiving special treatment due to the Vice Presidents relationship with them and still receiving payments from the Government.
Edwards communicated that Kerry's administration has a plan set in place ready to go and stressed that the safety of America is at the forefront of that plan and at the same time promised to bring much needed economical, healthcare, and education improvements as well.
I will give Cheney this, he look like a solid rock, unfortunately this rock has set itself in quicksand and is sinking bringing the entire country with it. Unfortunately for the Republicans this rock also makes Bush appear to be nothing more that a weak puppet, Fridays debate should be interesting.
MV, the polls don't back you up and I hate to tell you that your interpreation is no less biased than that of the GW haters (btw the ones I know hate what he has done to this country, not some emotional and irrational hate of the man). As far as "this is the first time" comment - it was a lie which is no surprise considering the multitude of lies that poured from Cheney's sour puss. He was no more in command of the facts than his running mate was. More rosey scenarios that don't exist in the real world. What you interpreted as "grizzled veteran QB to lead you to victory" I see as an old man with old ideas who was wrong and is arrogantly denying anything is wrong while pursuing the continued wrong path.
UTD and Seminole:
As I understand it, Cheney may have met Edwards at some kind of a prayer breakfast on one prior occasion.
Cheney's sword thrust into Edward's heart was that after four years of the VP sitting in on Senate sessions, he never saw Edwards there. Whether Cheney saw him at the corner store or in some prayer breakfast has nothing to do with Senator Gone being derelict in his duties as Senator. Somehow or other, Edwards (and Kerry) made it to the Senate in time to vote against supplying the troops with $87 billion in body armor and other supplies. Then Kerry has the audacity to complain that some parents are buying body armor for their sons and daughters on E-bay. If Kerry and Edwards had their way, the soldiers would also be buying bullets and rifles on E-bay.
Come on....give it up...give props where they are due. Cheney took the little nipper Edwards out to the woodshed and spanked him last night.
Here’s a fair and balanced source that outlines the audacity of Cheney’s bold faced lie (or maybe he is too old to remember?)
VP’s Claim About Meeting Edwards Debunked
On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.
On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met off-camera during a taping of NBC’s “Meet the Press,” moderator Tim Russert said Wednesday on “Today.”
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North Carolina senator, Edwards aides also said.
Edwards didn’t forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic vice presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally in a Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney “still not being straight with the American people.”
The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards was tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we sat next to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he forgot the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife Elizabeth reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.
According to Edwards’ staff, Cheney replied, “Oh, yeah.”
“She reminded him about the truth,” Edwards told the crowd, “and come November, we’re going to remind him that the American people do not want four more years of George W. Bush.”
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As I said, prayer breakfasts, interview shows and grocery stores are not the same as attending to your job as Senator. His own hometown newspaper knew the truth when they called him Senator Gone. I guess there is no dispute about Sentor Gone's attendance record for committee meetings or Senate Sessions. Which brings up a question: why run for Senator when you don't intend on discharging your job duties?
Let's face it, Edwards is a FIRST TERM Senator. His 6 year term expires in 2004, so, you are electing a trial lawyer who is a rookie senator. Not a really impressive resume for a potential president. Let's face it, he is good looking, and from the south. He is well spoken and a little slick. He is sort of the Democrats Dan Quayle, with more smarts and less experience. If he was ugly he would be planning a much longer career in the Senate. He really added nothing to the platform or the agenda, and regurgitated all the essential touchstones of the Democratic party, and got some Jewish pandering in to boot. Not all that impressive, but nobody ever elected a President because of the VP anyway...
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If you do it again,I might sue you. :))
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UTD and Seminole:
As I understand it, Cheney may have met Edwards at some kind of a prayer breakfast on one prior occasion.
Somehow or other, Edwards (and Kerry) made it to the Senate in time to vote against supplying the troops with $87 billion in body armor and other supplies. Then Kerry has the audacity to complain that some parents are buying body armor for their sons and daughters on E-bay. If Kerry and Edwards had their way, the soldiers would also be buying bullets and rifles on E-bay.
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So myvoice, the $87 billion dollars didn't get approved, is that what you are saying...and that's why some troops didn’t have body armor? No, the truth is that it was passed and yet Dubya still sent troops to war without Body Armor, nice try on trying to change what happened.
The fact that Kerry wanted to know how the money was going to be spent isn't a negative MV, in fact if Bush would have been held accountable on how that money was going to be spent you can bet your ass that the troops all would have had body army before going to Iraq, but without this accountable Bush was able to send troops without it.
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Let's face it, Edwards is a FIRST TERM Senator. His 6 year term expires in 2004, so, you are electing a trial lawyer who is a rookie senator.
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Haha, want to discuss Dubya's experience before he was elected?
Edwards has not been tied down to Washington, which allows the Kerry administration to have a panoramic view, this is a positive not a negative.
"Edwards has not been tied down to Washington, which allows the Kerry administration to have a panoramic view, this is a positive not a negative."
groan. Experience still does count......
He does have great hair....
OG, experience doesn't equate to making good decisions.
Anyone can be wrong.
You should not be the leader of the free world without some dang good experience however! Kerry could have done better but less photogenic.... Kerry panders to the soccer moms!