USA 2004 Elections

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^ In first post it say It showed 76% support for Kerry in the American Muslim community. That means 24% oppose Kerry.
According to PA only those people will support Kerry who make less than 200k. Because Kerry will increase taxes on 200k plus individuals.
But I disagree because there are other reasons for muslims not to support Bush mainly Iraq war.
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Re: Re: Bush Opens Four-Point Lead on Kerry -Reuters Poll

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*Originally posted by phoenixdesi: *I agree F&B,, Americans deserve Bush....They don’t deserve an intellectual president...I am sure that 90 percent of the Americans do not even understand the Kerry's philosophy of passing the "Global Test" before invading another country. They need a cowboy or a "Texas Ranger'. Some one at this forum quoted a great statement:
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Americans may deserve Bush, but does the rest of the world deserve Bush

Yaar saab loog kuyn lartay ho, Bush nay jitna hi jitna hai.

Bush Sada Sher ai
Baqi herr pher ai
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Mad Scientist

'You've hit the nail on it's head'.

The voters have been baffling me for ages.

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Bush will win, for the simple, and yet unfortunate, reason that Kerry is a boring, dull, muppet.
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Exactly, Bush will do more damage to the US than terrorism ever will.

Bush :k: …

:maulvidis + :bailan: == :jhanda:

From now on, i urge all guppies to post the material relevant to Election 2004 under this thread. There is no point of opening up numerous threads about the same topic. Presidential debates thread was for debates only and debates are over.

Just FYI (to all guppies), i have merged all threads related to USA Election 2004 with this thread.
Thanks

Kerry offers the best hope for all

Bush does not deserve a second term

Leader
Sunday October 17, 2004
The Observer

The United States of America is about to reach a fork in the road, but it seems the country has not yet decided which direction to take. There is little time left for debate, nor is more needed. The American election has been in full swing all year. The deliberately truncated nature of the Democratic primaries ensured John Kerry and President George W Bush would face-off against each other from early March. It has been a long, hard-fought campaign. The war in Iraq has ensured passions on both sides would always run deep. As a result, Americans have had ample opportunity to measure Republicans and Democrats against each other. Arguments have been thrashed out, the points have been made, policies compared and contrasted. The debates have greatly helped this process.

Kerry has emerged from them with a renewed vigour that had once seemed to be ebbing in the face of attacks on his war record in August. Now a fuller portrait of the man has emerged. It is a picture in which there is much to admire. From behind the Republican rhetoric of a wooden elitist who chopped and changed with the political winds, Kerry has come over as surprisingly warm. His joke in the final debate that he had ‘married up’ with his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, showed a refreshing ability not to take himself too seriously.

At the same time, Kerry has made his arguments forcefully and, unlike Bush, without too much TV-unfriendly anger. Yes, he has performed acrobatics over Iraq, but on a host of other issues, he has emerged as a man of principle seeking to engage America in the wider world. It has been a reasoned appeal to a more complex world view than the unilateralist Republicans have offered. What right-wingers have lambasted as ‘flip-flopping’ is, in fact, often nuance. And, in a world of increasing extremism, nuance is no bad thing. As Kerry said in the Arizona debate: ‘Like Franklin Roosevelt, I don’t care whether an idea is a Republican idea or a Democrat idea. I just care whether it works for America.’

And Kerry’s ideas look good not just for America but for the rest of us. Take the environment. Bush shuns the Kyoto pact on reducing emissions. Kerry also will not sign it. But he has said he favours re-opening negotiations about it. Take taxes. Bush favours making his tax cuts, which heavily favour the wealthy, permanent despite America’s huge deficit. Kerry favours taking away only the cuts for those earning more than $200,000 a year. This is not Kerry as radical tax-and-spend liberal as Bush charges - this is simply reasonable.

Take embryonic stem cell research. Bush opposes it from a position rooted in personal religious beliefs; Kerry favours allowing America’s scientists to press on, perhaps to the eventual benefit of mankind. Take abortion, an issue that resonates across the world. Bush is against it. His decision is deeply influenced by his brand of born-again Christian faith and reflects the religious right in America. It has seen Bush pass legislation banning ‘partial birth abortion’.

Many Democrats believe a second Bush term will see a much wider attack. Kerry is also against abortion. He says that, as a Catholic, he cannot accept it. But, more importantly, Kerry believes his faith should never be imposed on others; he is firmly pro-choice in politics. This is heartening. America was created with a constitution that strictly separates church and state, an inspiration and model to many nations. Bush has blurred some of the edges; Kerry will maintain this vital divide.

Take the United Nations. Many Republicans openly scorn Kerry’s comments on a ‘global test’ for intervention. That is ridiculous. If America were directly threatened, Kerry has said he would react pre-emptively, just as Bush would. Kerry’s comments were merely about wanting to persuade the world to follow America’s lead, not seeking to bully it. Kerry wants to reconnect America with the wider community of nations.

Finally, there is Iraq. Here, there is little difference between the two candidates. Whatever their thoughts on the rights and wrongs of the invasion, both candidates are committed to staying the course. That is probably the only reasonable option.

So, with 17 days to go until voting, America is fast approaching that fork in the road. For both Americans and the rest of us, the path John Kerry would take seems brighter.

“But I have heard wild speculation in Washington that he is suffering from a neurological disorder, or that the years of alcoholism might finally be taking their toll on his brain.”

well i never heard abt this one…

Has Bush lost his reason?

The President’s apparent mental fragility should give US voters pause for thought at the ballot box

Andrew Stephen
Sunday October 17, 2004
The Observer

It will, we are confidently told, be the most important American election for generations. In the words last week of Dick Cheney, the voice of what passes for gravitas in the Bush Administration, Americans will have to make ‘about as serious a decision as anybody is ever asked to make’ when they go to the polls in 17 days’ time.

The prophets of doom, whom Cheney exemplifies, are precisely right about the importance of this election. But the momentous decision awaiting Americans is not whether they return to power a President who is uniquely qualified to protect the US against terrorism, as Cheney et al would have us believe. It is whether they re-elect a man who, it is now clear, has become palpably unstable.

The evidence has been before our eyes for some time, but only during the course of this election campaign has it crystallised - just in time, possibly, for the 2 November election. The 43rd US President has always had a much-publicised knack for mangled syntax, but now George Bush often searches an agonisingly long time, sometimes in vain, for the right words. His mind simply blanks out at crucial times. He is prone, I am told, to foul-mouthed temper tantrums in the White House. His handlers now rarely allow him to speak an unscripted word in public.

Indeed, there are now several confusing faces to the US President, and we saw three of them in the live, televised Presidential debates with John Kerry that culminated last Wednesday night in Tempe, Arizona. In the first debate on 30 September, watched by more than 62 million viewers, we saw Bush at his most unattractive: slouching, peevish, pouting, pursing his lips with disdain at what his opponent was saying. But he was unable to marshal any coherent arguments against Kerry and merely spewed out prepared talking points - in what, even his ardent supporters concede, was Bush’s worst-ever such performance.

In the second debate on 8 October in St Louis, Bush could not stay on his stool and leapt up to dispense what were - certainly in contrast to Kerry’s cogent recital of statistics and arguments - frequently defensive, shouting rants. I assume that he was told by his handlers not to show displeasure at Kerry’s words this time around, but, instead, he revealed his anger by blinking repeatedly.

The moderator tried to stop him talking at one point (both campaign organisations had agreed the order in which the candidates could speak, with time limits imposed on both), but Bush insisted on riding roughshod over the briefly protesting moderator, Charles Gibson. (What, I wonder, would have happened if Gibson had kept to the rules and insisted that Bush stop talking? We will never know.)

By the time of the third debate on 13 October, this one witnessed by more than 50 million people, Bush had adopted yet another baffling persona. This time, he was peculiarly flushed, leading a colleague to speculate whether he was on something. He had clearly been told to look positive - that was his main thrust of the evening, with frequent assertions that ‘freedom is on the march’ - and spent the evening with a creepy, inane grin on his face, as though he was red-faced after a festive Christmas dinner.

So what is up with the US President, and why is this election so crucial not only for America but for the world? I have been examining videos of his first 1994 debate with Ann Richards, the Governor of Texas, who he was about to supplant, and of his 2000 debates with Al Gore. In his one and only debate with Richards a decade ago, Bush was fluent and disciplined; with Gore, he had lost some of that polish but was still articulate, with frequent invocations of his supposed ‘compassionate conservatism’.

It is thus hard to avoid the conclusion that Bush’s cognitive functioning is not, for some reason, what it once was. I am not qualified to say why this is so. It would not be surprising if he was under enormous stress, particularly after the 9/11 atrocities in 2001, and I gather this could explain much, if not everything.

But I have heard wild speculation in Washington that he is suffering from a neurological disorder, or that the years of alcoholism might finally be taking their toll on his brain.

I think it unlikely that Bush was wearing a bug so that he could be fed lines in at least one of the debates, but it is indicative of how his capabilities are regarded these days that the suggestion that he needed advice is given credence, as well as passing mentions in the powerful Washington Post and New York Times .

It does not help that Bush now lives in a positively Nixonian cocoon. He does not read newspapers; he sees television only to watch football; he makes election speeches exclusively at ticket-only events, and his courtiers consciously avoid giving him bad news. When he met John Kerry for their first bout on the debating platform, it was almost a new experience for the President to hear the voice of dissent.

A senior Republican, experienced and wise in the ways of Washington, told me last Friday that he does not necessarily accept that Bush is unstable, but what is clear, he added, is that he is now manifestly unfit to be President.

This, too, is a view that is widely felt, but seldom articulated and then only in private, within the Republican as well as Democratic establishments in Washington. Either way, the choice voters make on Tuesday fortnight should be obvious: whether he is unstable or merely unfit to be President - and I would argue that they amount to much the same - he should speedily be turfed out of office.

But Bush and his handlers like Cheney are driven, if nothing else, by a primal and overriding need to win, to destroy enemies who are blocking their way (shades, again, of Nixon?). Thus the speeches Bush now reads to the Republican faithful at his campaign meetings reflect their intent to demonise and annihilate Kerry’s character in the eyes of the electorate; policy statements made by Kerry are wilfully distorted and then endlessly repeated so that, in the end, the distortions gain a credence among the majority who do not follow such matters closely.

Whether the American electorate choose to see the mounting, disturbing evidence about their President or whether they rally to Cheney’s obscenely manipulative appeals for their patriotic support is still up in the air.

Kerry is a poor candidate who has only recently woken to the need to fight. Bush manages to maintain a peculiarly American, ordinary bloke image - mystifyingly so, given that he is the privileged product of Andover, Yale and Harvard - that still contrasts well, in the eyes of many Americans, with Kerry’s patrician manner.

The polls taken since Wednesday night’s debate are infuriatingly contradictory, too. The only consoling thought is that soon we should know the result of that very serious decision the American people have to make on polling day. There are not many occasions when I agree with anything that Dick Cheney says, but this is one of the rare moments when I concur totally with those chilling words.

· Mary Riddell is away

Bush and Kerry woo Florida voters

US presidential contenders George W Bush and John Kerry are fighting to win over voters in Florida, the US state which narrowly decided the 2000 polls.

Democrat Kerry arrived in Florida on Sunday, where his running mate John Edwards attacked the Republican party for trying to keep people from voting.

President Bush heads to Florida on Monday to target undecided voters.

Editorials in major US newspapers have announced which of the two men they support in the neck-and-neck contest.

The candidate’s time is so precious now we are absolutely looking for key states where we can gain ground
Kerry campaign spokeswoman
The New York Times and The Boston Globe have urged their readers to vote for Mr Kerry, while The Chicago Tribune and Dallas Morning News endorsed President Bush.

Earlier on Sunday, Mr Kerry told a largely African-American church congregation in Ohio, another key state, that President Bush’s plans to change the welfare funding system would hit the poorest hardest.

“For all the professions of faith and how strong we are, we’ve got a lot more loving of our neighbour to do in the United States of America,” he said.

Campaigning in Florida on Saturday before taking a brief break in Washington, President Bush said his opponent was not principled enough to defend the US against the terror threat.

‘Precious time’

With less than three weeks left for campaigning, both camps are encouraging the Florida electorate to use an early-voting system to cast their ballots.

John Kerry
Several US newspapers have endorsed John Kerry’s bid for office

The system, which is in use in many US states, enables people to vote 15 days before the nationwide election - a move which enables the campaigns to concentrate on undecided voters.

“We want to say to people get out and early vote,” a Kerry campaign spokeswoman said.

“The candidate’s time is so precious now we are absolutely looking for key states where we can gain ground.”

The BBC’s Justin Webb in Washington says the presidency will likeliest go to the candidate who can persuade the biggest number of his newly-won supporters to vote - but no one knows who that will be yet.

Voting controversy

Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the president’s brother, has hit back at critics who have accused the state’s administration of using dirty tricks to deprive people of their votes.

“We have done everything we can to make sure people have access to register to vote and that we’ve made it easy for people to vote,” he said.

Mr Edwards earlier told a rally in Florida the Republicans would not succeed in barring people from voting.

“You know, whether they’re using a felons’ list that’s full of problems to try to keep people from voting, or whether they’re trying to say someone didn’t check a box on a form… whatever it is, we know that they will be up to their old tricks, right,” he said.

President Bush’s narrow 2000 US election victory hinged on a handful of votes cast in Florida.

Accusations emerged afterwards that the state’s recount was mishandled and electoral malpractices had stopped potential Democratic voters from casting their ballots.

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I’m just adding a few spicy ones. You can read the rest by clicking the link above.

"Last week G2 launched Operation Clark County to help readers have a say in the American election by writing to undecided voters in the crucial state of Ohio. In the first three days, more than 11,000 people requested addresses. Here is some of the reaction to the project that we received from the US:

Have you not noticed that Americans don’t give two ****s what Europeans think of us? Each email someone gets from some arrogant Brit telling us why to NOT vote for George Bush is going to backfire, you stupid, yellow-toothed pansies … I don’t give a rat’s ass if our election is going to have an effect on your worthless little life. I really don’t. If you want to have a meaningful election in your crappy little island full of ty food and yellow teeth, then maybe you should try not to sell your sovereignty out to Brussels and Berlin, dip. Oh, yeah - and brush your goddamned teeth, you filthy animals.
Wading River, NY

Real Americans aren’t interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions. If you want to save the world, begin with your own worthless corner of it.
Texas, USA

Hey England, Scotland and Wales,
Mind your own business. We don’t need weenie-spined Limeys meddling in our presidental election. If it wasn’t for America, you’d all be speaking German. And if America would have had a president, then, of the likes of Kerry, you’d all be goose-stepping around Buckingham Palace. YOU ARE NOT WANTED!! Whether you want to support either party. BUTT OUT!!!
United States

THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS HAVE SPENT TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS PROTECTING THE PEOPLES OF THE EU, AND WHAT DO WE GET IN RETURN. BETRAYAL, BETRAYAL, BETRAYAL. I HAVE BEEN TO YOUR COUNTRY, THE COUNTRY OF MY ANCESTORS, AND I KNOW WHY THEY LEFT.
MAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TOOTH CAPPED. I UNDERSTAND IT TAKES AT LEAST 18 MONTHS FOR YOUR GREAT MEDICAL SERVICES TO GET AROUND TO YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY.
Harlan, Kentucky

Who in the hell do you think you are??? Well, I’ll tell you, you’re a bunch of meddling socialist pricks! Stay the hell out of our country and politics. And another thing, John Kerry is a worthless lying sack of crap so it doesn’t surprise me that a socialist rag like yours would back him. I hope your cynical ploy blows up in your cowardly faces, you bunch of mealy-mouthed morons!
United States

You radical leftwingers are worse than the Taliban. I suggest you stand back and take a good hard look at yourselves.

PS: When do you propose to add Michael Moore to your staff of lunatics?
United States

^ Yeah baby ::dhimpak: I want US to have bad relationship with EU. The best thing for the third world. This is the way both Brits and US have ruled the rest of the world. Divide and Rule!!! Let them part themselves more and more. On the brink of an economic collapse, US can’t afford cold relationship with EU, while China and India are already trimbling its economy.

Let the game begin. Someone said a decade ago that US is so powerful that its almost impossible to defeat it with weapons. But this ‘The Only Superpower’ position itself is dangerous for US. The fall of the Cowboy Empire would be at their own hands and the main cause would be economy and nothing else.

I see this global crisis as the Chaudhry and the farmers case. If Chaudhry is not getting enough from his farm land, he suppress the poor farmers with different tactics and slowly he captures the whole land in the village, fines farmers with heavy interests, makes them his slaves on their own land, they work on their own land but as slaves or employees of this Chaudhry, marries their young daughters in exchange of the interest payments which farmer will never be able to return in his life time, hence the future generations are also under the heavy debt.

If USA’s economy is doing bad, expect more invasions in Oil producing countries. That is why the current administration ignored the Iranian Nuclear program. So once they are near to make nuke devices, they will raid on Iran and get rid of the long time hostile government rule and their nuclear program as well. Oil will be in hand, as it is in Kuwait and Iraq and also Isreal will have removed the last powerful state in the region. The rest of the middle eastern ‘hijray’ will keep beating their chest for nothing.

Neither Kerry nor Bush have a strong economic model to reform this sinking ship without looting oil in the world. Unless they come up with something like IT as it was in 80s/90s by which they can make money in home using local resources/work force and selling it to the outside world.

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Interesting read in US election context.

Can the Anglican Church remain united?

How much time do you spend on your hair?

See the following Edwards video:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2108216/slideshow/2108085/entry/2108087/speed/100

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Kerry Consolidates in PA and FL. They are blue now..

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I suspect this website's poll results. How come all others are showing Bush in EV lead as well as popular votes. Specially FL was not that close till last night. But I wish it becomes true for the sake of some sanity in the world politics in next four years.

This is amazing how the west has been divded by this moron. And he still doesn’t get it. He does not care what outside world thinks of US now. The hostility and haterd is on rise. He can’t win war on terrorism like this. War mongerer evanglist :smack:

NOTICE TO AMERICAN READERS

European perspective on US Elections

We regard your current President as the greatest threat to international peace and security to emerge since the end of World War II.

We regard his economic agenda as dangerous voodoo economics which threaten the international economic system.

We regard his attitude to the Middle East and terrorism as making him the best recruitment agent for islamist terrorists since the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan.

We believe he has gone a very long way towards turning the USA into an international pariah.

i hope clinton can bring more life to kerry’s campaign…lets hope for the best…go clinton…

Clinton will campaign with Kerry
Bill Clinton at the Democrat convention
More campaign events are likely to be scheduled for Bill Clinton
Former US President Bill Clinton will join White House hopeful John Kerry to campaign in Pennsylvania, aides say.

The 58-year-old will appear at a rally on Monday, seven weeks after he had quadruple heart bypass surgery.

Mr Clinton, renowned as a passionate and able campaigner, has also recorded phone messages for the Kerry campaign while recuperating at home in New York.

Correspondents say his heart problems curtailed what had been expected to be a prominent role in the Kerry bid.

Joe Lockhart, a senior adviser to Mr Kerry and former press secretary to Mr Clinton, said the two-term president also hoped to campaign separately for Mr Kerry.

Observers say Democrats will be hoping that Monday’s appearance in Philadelphia will help Mr Kerry’s chances in Pennsylvania, one of the battleground states that could be won by either candidate and which may decide the outcome of the election.

Mr Clinton also sent out an e-mail fundraising appeal to Mr Kerry’s supporters, saying “nothing less than the future of our country is at stake”.

"America’s future is on the ballot this year.

Let’s use these final days of the campaign to win the victory that is within our grasp, and secure the kind of future we want for our children. I’m counting on you," he wrote.

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Latest AP Poll has Kerry up 3 points over Bush

The result is deadlock. In the survey of 976 likely voters, Democrats Kerry and Sen. John Edwards had 49 percent, compared to 46 percent for Republicans Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. That’s within the margin of error for the poll conducted Oct. 18-20.

The http://www.electoral-vote.com/ have both candidates tied at 264 but the Nickelodeon poll has Kerry ahead of Bush by double digits. :hehe: