US postpones bilateral contact until Davis is freed

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Mufaddal, as I stated in my post that both the Pakistanis and the Americans need each other; it's a marriage of convenience. IMHO, I dont see the Americans actually blocking financial aid to Pakistan as long as the war on terror(WOT) continues. The Americans have a leverage when it comes to providing financial assistance, while the Pakistanis have the leverage of providing air corridor, land routes for ISAF supplies. Just like without the American financial assistance we are going to be very unstable; the Americans too are going to be very unstable without our assistance. Also, a brief reminder; in 1998 after the nuclear tests, the Americans had put a hold on all financial assistance- We did survive...

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Raymond Davis was no ordinary diplomat, he was a spy who killed two ISI men

A U.S. Diplomat who could bring down Pakistan’s Government

The scene could have been scripted in a Hollywood action thriller: For two hours at the end of last month in Lahore, U.S. diplomat Raymond Davis was closely pursued by two visibly armed men on a motorbike. He noticed them tailing him from a restaurant to an ATM, and through the crowded streets of Pakistan’s second city. They were close by when, in a crowded intersection, Davis produced his own handgun and fired seven shots. The diplomat was apparently a crack shot, and all seven bullets found their mark, killing his two pursuers. Davis then called for back-up, and a four-wheel-drive vehicle raced onto the scene, striking a Pakistani bystander who was killed by the impact. But the people in the vehicle, whose identities remain unknown, escaped from the scene having failed to retrieve Davis, who was later arrested nearby. In custody, Davis has told Pakistani authorities that he acted in self-defense, and has invoked diplomatic immunity, an international convention that protects diplomats from prosecution in the countries where they serve.
Two weeks later, Davis remains behind bars, facing murder charges. And the incident has plunged the already troubled relationship between Washington and Islamabad to a new low. Pakistani officials say Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last week canceled a meeting with her Pakistani counterpart and is considering withdrawing an invitation for President Asif Ali Zardari to a trilateral summit with Afghan President Hamid Karzai later this month. But at home, Zardari faces intense pressure to prosecute Davis. The hitherto obscure employee of the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad has now become a lightning rod for the fierce anti-American sentiments shared by an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis.(See TIME’s Pakistan covers.)](Search an Android Phone With the Flick of Your Wrist | TIME)
For Washington, the matter is simple: Davis, officals say, acted in self-defense when threatened by the two armed men trailing him. His diplomatic passport entitles him to full immunity from criminal prosecution under the Vienna Convention. And that message has been firmly relayed to Pakistan. “The pressure is huge from the U.S. end,” says a Pakistani official, speaking on condition of anonymity. “But the pressure in Pakistan, from the army and the public, is huge also.”
Zardari’s government, heavily dependent on U.S. aid, is keen to see Davis released. “We need them more than they need us,” says the Pakistani official. But public sentiment in Pakistan makes it hard for the government to be seen bowing to U.S. pressure, and its foreign ministry won’t unequivocally confirm that Davis enjoys diplomatic immunity. And the government’s problem is its opponents’ opportunity. Davis is being prosecuted by the state government of Punjab, run by the opposition party of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Sharif’s party looks set to extract political mileage by striking a proud, nationalist posture. The case of Raymond Davis has become the new rallying point for the religious parties that drew tens of thousands of people onto the streets last month to support of the country’s controversial blasphemy laws. And local media has amplified hostility, which has reached a new peak this week after one of the slain men’s widow committed suicide this week, reportedly out of despair that her husband’s killer would evade justice.
But the decisive pressure on Zardari in the Davis case comes from Pakistan’s military, for reasons that are only now becoming apparent. Davis, they say, was no ordinary diplomat. They cite the skill with which he eliminated his pursuers as suggesting a familiarity with arms not common in the diplomatic corps. His fluency in Urdu and Pashto are also remarkable considering that he first arrived in Pakistan as recently as October 2009. A series of documents obtained by the Pakistani news channel DawnNews — some said to have been in Davis’ possession but whose authenticity can’t be verified — suggest that the 36-year-old Nevada native carried a diplomatic passport and was a member of the Embassy’s “Administrative and Technical Staff”. These documents reportedly also name him as a Department of Defense contractor, and co-owner of Hyperion Protective Services.(See photos of Pakistan beneath the surface.)](http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1897932,00.html)
**Equally misleading, say Pakistani officials, is the claim in Pakistani media that Davis’ victims had been “ordinary men”, or even as “robbers,” as the State Department has suggested. “They were from the ISI,” says a government official, referring to Pakistan’s military intelligence agency. It isn’t clear, the official says, whether they were full paid-up agents or local informants. The two men had been tasked with tailing Davis, Pakistani officials say. “He had been traveling to Waziristan and meeting with people that the army doesn’t approve of,” says a Pakistani official, implying that Davis had met with Pakistani militants. While U.S. contractors and intelligence agents operate in Pakistan with the military’s approval and often in cooperation, it insists they operate within strictly circumscribed parameters. Davis, according to some Pakistani accounts, had crossed a red line, and was being shadowed in a crude effort at intimidation. **
The loss of two men linked with the ISI has injured the Pakistani military’s pride, officials say, and comes amid rising tensions with Washington. Last December, the CIA station chief in Islamabad was forced to leave Pakistan after his identity was compromised. Langley blamed the ISI for the leak, a charge that the Pakistanis deny. Relations between the two agencies are now viewed has having dropped to their lowest-level in years, even as they are forced to work together on shaping a settlement in Afghanistan. (Comment on this story.)](http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2047149,00.html#comments)
As domestically rewarding as it may be, brinkmanship over Davis imperils the long-term fortunes of Pakistan’s government. “There’s no choke on aid yet,” says a senior Pakistani official. But if the standoff continues, and especially if Davis is convicted, it could be reduced to a trickle. And that could have a potentially catastrophic impact on an economy threatened by hyperinflation and the devaluation of its currency in the coming months. But a brittle government under strong pressure from its electorate and military may struggle to survive if it frees Raymond Davis.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2047149,00.html#ixzz1DaN2md42

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Ok this I'm reading for the first time that they murdered guyz had links with ISI. And if that's true, its certainly an interesting twist in the story. And again if its true, I dont see this guy coming out of bars anytime soon. I agree with ZulfiOKC in his comments that both US and Pak need each other so may be US will keep on threatening and putting pressure on pak, but wont be doing anything practically. On the other hand, if pak army is not getting involved then he'll soon be declared an ambassador and freed. Nevertheless, its certainly an interesting drama going on!

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interesting point raised by Prof. Murtaza Haider (Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. is a professor of supply chain management at Ryerson University in Toronto. He can be reached by email at [EMAIL=“[email protected]”][email protected]*.)***

Balancing parking tickets against murders!

For the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, a parking ticket violation is more atrocious than a murder. As a junior senator from New York, Mrs. Clinton wanted to revoke the diplomatic immunity for scofflaw diplomats who were stationed at the United Nations in New York and had racked up $21.3 million in parking violations. As the Secretary of State, however, she is invoking diplomatic immunity for Mr. Raymond Davis, who is accused of murdering two young men in Lahore.
It is hard to understand Mrs. Clinton’s logic who on one hand was not willing to excuse foreign diplomats accused of parking violations in New York. “The flagrant disregard for parking regulations has had serious ramification for the safety and quality of life for New Yorkers,” she argued in a letter in 2002. On the other hand, she would like an American contract worker, who claims to be a diplomat, to be granted immunity from prosecution for murdering two youths.
In 2004, Mrs. Clinton and the senior senator from New York, Charles Schumer, presented a Bill that advocated cutting foreign aid to countries who owed unpaid parking fines to the City of New York. Senator Clinton was obviously incensed by the fact that diplomats were abusing their privilege. Diplomatic immunity was never intended to allow diplomats to violate traffic laws of the host country, or for that matter, commit murders.
She registered her discontent with diplomatic immunity and argued that it was not “acceptable for foreign diplomats and consular officials to hide behind diplomatic and consular immunity to park in illegal spaces in New York City and avoid paying parking tickets. It is my hope that this legislation will ensure that the City gets the money that it is owed.” Senators Clinton and Schumer were successful in amending the 2005 congressional Foreign Operations Bill in the Senate that froze foreign aid to countries by amounts they owed New York City in parking ticket violations and unpaid property taxes.
I am not suggesting that parking violations could or should be ignored. As a professor of transport management, I understand how illegally parked vehicles impede traffic, cause congestion, and cost billions in lost productivity. In fact, in 2006 when the US Embassy in London racked up over £1 million in unpaid congestion charges, the peeved Mayor of London, Ken Livingston, called the American ambassador Robert Tuttle, who owned a car dealership and raised $200,000 for President George W. Bush’s election campaign, a ‘chiselling little crook’.
What I do not understand is how can one justify waiving diplomatic immunity for a misdemeanour, i.e., a parking violation, and insist on invoking it for violating the sixth commandment, thou shalt not kill, for a person whose diplomatic credentials are dubious at best, and whose culpability is beyond doubt.
Granting Mr. Davis diplomatic immunity will deny the judicial system in Pakistan the opportunity to determine the circumstances that lead to the two murders. The courts need to establish if Mr. Davis is indeed a diplomat, and not a contract worker or a mercenary employed by the US consulate in Lahore. The courts need to determine that if Mr. Davis were a diplomat, where was he stationed in the past or what school he attended to prepare for a career in foreign diplomacy. The courts need to ascertain if he indeed was acting in self-defence when he shot the two men riding away on a motorbike through the windshield of his car. The courts need to determine if he indeed was on diplomatic business at the time he shot the two men.
**I have spoken with senior Pakistani diplomats in North America who have confirmed that Mr. Davis was issued an official business visa, which is reserved for contractors and lower-level staff serving in foreign missions in Pakistan. This does not make Mr. Davis eligible for diplomatic immunity in the first place. **I contacted Ambassador Hussain Haqqani in Washington, DC, to determine the status of Mr. Davis’ now controversial visa. Mr. Haqqani has chosen not to respond. :smiley: I have, however, enjoyed better correspondence with Ambassador Haqqani when he was a fellow academic.
While the US has always by default demanded immunity from prosecution for its diplomats serving in foreign countries, she has been stingy in reciprocating the favour. When the shoe is on the other foot, the US administration reacts completely in the opposite. Instead of honouring diplomatic immunity, it pressures countries to waive diplomatic immunity for the diplomats accused of wrongdoings in the United States.
In 1987, a car driven by the ambassador of Papua New Guinea, Kiatro Abisinito, hit four other cars in Washington, DC. The ambassador invoked diplomatic immunity. However, the US Attorneys prepared a criminal case against the ambassador for operating a vehicle while being intoxicated.
Consider the case of Georgian diplomat, Gueorgui Makharadze, who in 1997 killed a 16-year old girl in a fatal traffic accident in the US. The diplomat invoked diplomatic immunity and was ready to leave when the Georgian President, Eduard Shevardnadze, ordered the diplomat to stay in the United States and face criminal charges. Mr. Makharadze was convicted by a court and served time in an American prison.
Pakistan will not be the first country to question the doctrines of diplomatic immunity in cases where diplomats have been accused of not just misdemeanours, such as parking violations, but are accused of heinous crimes, such as murder. Former US Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger, pointed out circumstances that warranted “limits to the doctrines of diplomatic immunity.” While addressing a conference organized by the American Bar Association in June 1986, Mr Weinberger unequivocally declared that a “diplomatic title must not confer a license to murder.”
Several American legislators have tried to restrict diplomatic immunity in cases where diplomats were accused of serious crimes, such as murder and rape. In 1984, Senator Arlen Specter presented a Bill to renegotiate the Vienna Convention to eliminate diplomatic immunity for diplomats accused of murder. Later in 1987, US Congressman Stephen J. Solarz introduced a Bill to limit the diplomatic immunity, which he termed untenable and unacceptable to grant to those accused of murder.
While the American public representatives have tried to restrict diplomatic immunity for others, they have fought tooth and nail to seek immunity for their own diplomats when they stood accused of committing serious crimes. There are several examples of American diplomats leaving without trial even after being accused of committing murders. According to New York Times’ archives, a US Embassy employee, Martha D. Patterson, was accused of complicity in poisoning to death a USSR citizen in July 1977. Ms. Peterson was freed however after she invoked diplomatic immunity. Later in 2002, Samuel Karmilowicz, an employee with the US Embassy in Quito, Ecuador, shot and killed an Ecuadorian national Pablo Jaramillo after crashing his car into the taxi carrying Mr. Jaramillo. The American diplomat left Ecuador soon afterwards invoking diplomatic immunity.
It is however, not without precedent that a country revoked diplomatic immunity for diplomats of other countries. In 1944, England cancelled diplomatic immunity for foreign diplomats and their staff. Only diplomats from the Commonwealth countries, the Soviet Union and the United States were permitted to retain diplomatic immunity.
In 2002 in England, the Colombian Embassy waived diplomatic immunity for a sergeant-major and his son who were caught on CCTV stabbing to death a 23 year old man outside a supermarket in West London. Initially, the Colombian diplomat, who was an assistant to the Colombian military attaché, and his son were granted immunity from prosecution. The Colombians claimed that they acted in self-defence after being mugged by the deceased. The Colombians were however acquitted of murder by a British court after it was established that they indeed acted in self-defence.
It is also not without precedent that the US government has waived immunity for its diplomats or contractors employed by the US foreign missions. In 1995, the US government waived diplomatic immunity for David Duchow, a contract employee with the US embassy in Bolivia, who was accused of stealing a truck-load of fuel. Mr. Duchow in retaliation sued the US government for waiving his diplomatic immunity.
Indulge me for a second and imagine if the situation was reversed and a Pakistani diplomat stood accused of shooting to death two young men in SoHo, New York. Given that Mrs. Clinton was unwilling to pardon diplomats accused of parking violations, it is highly likely that she would have opposed granting immunity to a Pakistani diplomat accused of committing multiple murders in broad daylight and in the presence of dozens of eye witnesses. She would have insisted that the true identity and the status of the accused be first determined. She would have wanted the US courts to determine if the Pakistani diplomat acted in self-defence or was he a trigger-happy fellow who got spooked and started shooting. She would not have allowed the Pakistani diplomat to touch the tarmac at the JFK Airport.
I also wonder how President Obama would react in this situation. Would he be as statesmanlike as the former Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze and instruct Mr. Raymond Davis to stay in Pakistan and plead his case in a court of law. Or would Mr. Obama choose to be more like the Russian Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, who refused to waive diplomatic immunity for a Russian diplomat stationed in Canada who in 2001 killed one woman and injured another while driving a car while being intoxicated?
Given Mr. Obama’s recent foreign policy choices, I see more of Putin in him than a statesman.


http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/10/balancing-parking-tickets-against-murders.html

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Pakistan's economy is in a terrible state and the government is therefore not in a position to resist intense US pressure (read blackmail) for very long. I believe it is only a matter of time before the standoff ends and Davis is released. There is no doubt that this guy committed two murders. He does not enjoy diplomatic immunity as was being claimed by US. I would like to see the Pak courts atleast prosecute and convict Davis of murder. And if and when Pak authorities finally release Davis they can atleast show the world the real face of US bullying tactics....that the guy is indeed guilty, a criminal but we were forced to release him under intense black mail by US administration

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That is exactly what I had been believing from start but there were conflicting news, now it is clear, thank you!

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I don't think that Pakistan is really in a position to call the shots here, dependant as they are on US aid. If they infact prosecute and execute Davis to appease the hardliners, its going to backfire really badly. It might be best to just release Davis through the backdoor without too much tamasha so that public sentiment is not hurt and Uncle Sam is also happy.

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Who is saying execute him? But they should atleast prosecute him and convict him of killing two men

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Isn't that what the public wants - death penalty ?

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Very Interesting, the games these SOB yanks play…

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^ you had a change of heart i see?

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I respect Mahmood Qureshi for taking this stand :k:, probably after this Zardari/Qureshi/Rehman Malik meeting came out the statement from Interior “minister” that Davis was diplomat showing “some people” how he can change things when asked.

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The man who is destroying PPP is one and only Rahman Malik.
He is showing himself Man of establishment and Man of USA.
Rehman dismisses dispute with Qureshi
I am surprised why Zardari is trusting him.

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It is surprising that there is complete blackout of this news on CNN, FOX, NBC, BBC etc.

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This news have no importance for them.
And they care for interest of west.
Update;
Shah Mahmood Qureshi met President Zardari tonight but refused to except any other ministry except the foreign affairs. According to Dawn News Tv he also refused to sign a summery about Raymond.

So I am with PPP. Great people.

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Great people? Anwari sahib, Zardari is “chief” of PPP and Yousuf Gilani also belongs to PPP, read the very same article what Yousuf Gilani did, he instructed Mahmood Qureshi to stay silent on this issue and let Rehman Malik do everything so basically even Yousuf Gilani favors Rehman Malik. Your question on why Zardari trusting him, its because US wants a “yes sir” in top slot who has to ensure that every slot that US will need to work for them is also filled with “yes sir” and Rehman Malik is one of biggest licker/‘yes sir’ man so Zardari will stick with Rehman Malik instead of Mahmood Qureshi.

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No Qureshi in new Pak cabinet

http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfeed/Pakistan/No-Qureshi-in-new-Pak-cabinet/Article1-661179.aspx

Bravo, we have great leaders - true friends of the people…

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Qureshi was offered water and power ministry but he declined saying “I am not interested in water and power ministry in place of foreign affairs”.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/13/qureshi-was-offered-water-power-ministry.html

‘Former foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi may face disciplinary action in case he does not clear his position before his party co-chairman for refusing to accept the portfolio of water and power, a PPP insider told Dawn on Saturday.’

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This is what the NEW information Minister has to say for Qureshi… Surely everyone knows that Firdous Ashiq Awan is TUB when it comes to lota-geri and DOI when it comes to Chamca-geri… her statements does say that Shah Mehmood Qureshi was against the PPP’s stance, which is currently being represented by Rehman Malik


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Pakistan will have to free Mr.Davis.