US postpones bilateral contact until Davis is freed

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^ well that the courts will decide...after a long time at least the courts, and governments have taken a stand which was needed for a long time! its clear now that zardari and his chamchas want to get rid of davis where as punjab govt and a few ministers of ppp were against that (like shah mahmood which ppp has got rid of)...rahman malik's interviews are testimony to what he wants but no one is hearing him at present...

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^Do you think a U.S pressure will let the government to wait for court's decision? No way.he will be releaed immediately.Moreover,the tone of the U.S Government has started to change.

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immediately? he is already in custody for the past two weeks, considering the ties between the two countries he should have been flown within a couple of hours...this time the government has taken a stand and that has pushed the two countries to a diplomatic stand off already...hillary clinton, and obama clearly want their spy to be out and they have stated that plainly to different officials including the president and chief of army staff as they dont want their spy network to become public, but personally i believe the military is getting fed up with the american behavior...

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Pakistanis Keep American In Custody Despite U.S. Pressure
Ray Davis Will Be Detained At Least Two More Weeks For ‘Cold-Blooded Murder’

If there was any question that Pakistan intended to bow to U.S. demands and quickly release a U.S. official who killed two Pakistanis last month, the public answer came back today as an emphatic no.

The U.S. wanted Davis released before his court appearance this morning, but the court said he would remain detained for two more weeks. The U.S. has requested Davis be treated well, but the court sent him from a relatively comfortable police station into a crowded jail. And the U.S. continues to argue Davis acted in self defense, but the Lahore police chief today accused Davis of “intentional and cold-blooded murder.”

After the court’s decision today, Carmela Conroy, the U.S. Consul General in Lahore, said that the Jan. 25 incident was a tragedy, and extended her sympathy to the family of the men killed, but said that Davis is “entitled to full immunity from prosecution” as a member of the U.S. Embassy staff in Islamabad.

“Under the rules, he should be freed immediately,” said Conroy, who visited Davis in prison today. She also said she regretted that authorities “did not consider … eyewitness accounts and physical evidence” that indicated Davis acted in self defense.

Davis’ continuing detention, his move to a prison, and the apparent impending murder charge could infuriate the United States. A senior U.S. official said that so long as Davis is detained, any major U.S.-Pakistan meeting would be dominated by a discussion about Davis – making normal bilateral discussions right now difficult to impossible.

But the embassy in Islamabad rejected the claim made by Pakistani officials in an ABC news report that pressure to release Davis included a meeting between National Security Advisor Tom Donilon and Pakistan Ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani in which Donilon threatened Haqqani with expulsion and the closure of U.S. consulates in Pakistan if Davis wasn’t released by today.

“ABC News carried a story regarding a conversation in Washington between senior U.S. and Pakistani officials,” said the statement, released by embassy spokeswoman Courtney Beale. “Although we are unable to discuss the substance of a private diplomatic meeting, U.S. Embassy Islamabad can state categorically that the description of the conversation in this report is simply inaccurate.”

U.S. officials declined to specify which details in the story were inaccurate.

Haqqani also denied that he had been threatened.

“The characterization of my conversation with White House officials by ABC News borders fabrication,” he said in a statement to ABC News today. “It is not our policy to reveal details of diplomatic conversations. I can say, however, that National Security Adviser Tom Donilon did, indeed, convey the US government’s views about the case of Mr. Raymond Davis during a meeting on Monday evening but no ultimatum or threat was given. I conveyed the government of Pakistan’s commitment to resolve the matter in accordance with Pakistani and international law. Both sides are working together to resolve the case expeditiously and to continue our multi-faceted strategic partnership.”

U.S. Declines To Provide Details About Ray Davis
Davis has become a political and intelligence football: he is caught between a federal government ruled by the Pakistan People’s party and a Punjab government led by the opposition, which is more skeptical of U.S. policies; and he is caught in an intelligence game because he killed two men working for Pakistan’s premiere intelligence agency, according to four Pakistani officials.

The U.S. continues to decline to answer questions about Davis’ precise job in Pakistan, saying only he was a “member of the administrative and technical staff” of the Islamabad embassy and traveled on a diplomatic passport.

But Pakistani government officials are beginning to chafe at the way the U.S. government is going about that. They complain that U.S. pressure is disproportionately falling on them and not on the country’s powerful military and intelligence service.

A congressional delegation from the House Armed Services committee visited Pakistan last weekend and raised the possibility that Davis’ continuing detention would threaten military aid, according to a committee aide. But a senior Pakistani military official denied that was true.

“There were no threats,” he said casually, shrugging his shoulders.

But there have been threats delivered to government officials, and the larger problem, those officials say, is that the pressure is boxing them in – because it is eroding overall support for the United States.

Speaking in private drawing room conversations or in high-end coffee shops, even some of those who support the United States say they feel like they can’t support Davis’ release, especially not publicly. In their minds, the ambiguous nature of Davis’ job, his killing two Pakistanis in broad daylight, and the wide coverage given to U.S. anger in Pakistan has shrunk the public acceptance of all U.S. policies in Pakistan.

More Aggressive Anti-American Sentiments’
“I think the response to the U.S. anger is more aggressive anti-American sentiments,” said Ahmed Malik, sitting at the upscale Gloria Jean’s coffee in Lahore. He and his friends said the U.S. was “bullying” Pakistan. “I think people feel it’s totally unjustified for the Americans to ask for a man who’s done something like this” to be released, Malik said.

Their increasing skepticism of U.S. diplomacy was echoed by the senior military official, who discussed Davis’ detention on the condition of anonymity.

“It should disturb the U.S. when the liberal class, on the account of U.S. attitude and bullying… is showing a lot of frustration, anger, reservations,” the official told ABC News.

He argued that the U.S.’ repeated and public condemnations of Davis’ detention was decreasing its support across Pakistan – and that would inevitably decrease the military’s ability to support U.S. policies.

“The U.S. should help the state and the foreign office rather than putting out one statement [calling for Davis’ release] after another. It will multiply the public anger,” he said. “No military can take a position that is contrary to the public perception.”

And if the anger increased, he argued, the U.S. was risking its already weak popularity among the public and among its most vocal Pakistani supporters.

“If that space is being lost,” the official said, “then it’s the last nail in the coffin.”

Pakistanis Fear Releasing Ray Davis Would Spark Protests

Fears of anti-American protests in Lahore were apparent starting at 7:00 a.m. local time, when broadcast reporters began setting up their cameras outside not one but two courthouses, hoping to catch a glimpse of Davis. Police, judicial, and political officials misled journalists over the previous 24 hours, suggesting Davis would appear before different courts – apparently an attempt to reduce security threats and media presence.

Police went so far as to send an empty armored personnel carrier to one court as a decoy as the armored personnel carrier carrying Davis arrived at another court.

In Karachi, the radical group Jamaat-ud-Dawa, which is banned in Pakistan and which U.S. officials tie to the 2008 attacks on Mumbai, led a rally with political parties. “Anyone who is a friend of America is a traitor,” read one poster, according to the Associated Press.

In Lahore, government officials believe releasing Davis would spark huge protests. The family of one of the men Davis killed warned the government not to release him, and told ABC News today that they wouldn’t rest until they had “blood for blood.”

“In Islamic law and in Pakistan’s law, the punishment for death is death,” Imran Haider, Faizan Haider’s brother, said in Lahore today. “And god willing, the court will have him hanged.”

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^I belive his `honeymoon period' in cusody will be over soon. Lets wait and see.

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well if the government does that, it will fall down on its head the matter is not as easy as the americans think

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Rift Between U.S. and Pakistan Deepens Over Detained American
Published February 14, 2011
| The Wall Street Journal

In a show of the escalating diplomatic rift over a detained American in Pakistan, the U.S. cancelled talks in Washington involving the country.

A U.S. State Department statement Sunday said the high-level meeting involving Pakistan, Afghanistan and the U.S. was called off “in light of the political changes in Pakistan,” reported the Wall Street Journal.
The man is reportedly Raymond Davis, an employee of a U.S.-based security company who was working under contract for the U.S. government in Pakistan, has been detained after authorities say he shot and killed two armed men. He will likely to be charged with murder.

The U.S. government has given few details about the man, who it hasn’t officially named. The embassy in Islamabad said the man, who it claims fired in self-defense, is covered by diplomatic immunity and should be immediately released, the Journal reported.

But a senior Pakistan foreign ministry official said Washington’s cancellation of the meeting was intended to pressure Pakistan to release the U.S. government employee.

Pakistani officials have publicly questioned whether Mr. Davis acted in self-defense and have said he may have known the attackers, but they have given no clear picture of what they think occurred.
The U.S. last week suspended several bilateral engagements with Pakistan after a high court barred Pakistan’s government from releasing Davis, Pakistani officials said.

Pakistani officials said the Obama administration also has threatened to call off an upcoming state visit to Washington by President Asif Ali Zardari if the standoff over Mr. Davis doesn’t end, reported the Journal.

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Finally, the mystery of the immunity is resolved by the PPP’s spokesperson.. guess who, Fauzia Wahab, after two weeks she woke up and said David did enjoy immunity, is there any low these Pee, pee, pee leaders can go

Davis enjoys immunity: Fauzia Wahab

Updated at: 1728 PST, Monday, February 14, 2011

KARACHI: Secretary Information Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Fauzia Wahab has said that Raymond Davis, accused of killing two Pakistanis in Lahore, enjoyed diplomatic immunity, Geo News reported on Monday.

Addressing a press conference at Karachi Press Club, Fauzia Wahab said that Pakistan is the signatory of Vienna Convention, therefore, all the diplomats enjoy immunity, adding that diplomats cannot be arrested.

She said that Davis possess diplomatic passport, therefore, he enjoys immunity.

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bus nahin chal raha zardari ka nahin tou chand ghainton kay baad hi usnay hawaalay kar daina tha...the case is already in the courts, and if the government had something they could have presented to the courts, but issuing public statements like these they are only exposing themselves...if he has diplomatic immunity the courts will release him but the due process should take its toll...

the confusion amongst the government is such that shah mahmood qureishi (ex foreign minster) is saying one thing, and rahman malik and other ppp workers are saying what the americans want to hear...

anyways lets see what the drop scene of this drama is, cuz that would start the downfall of this failed government.

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President house disowned the statement of this Lado Fauzia Wahab.

[National](http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsSubIndex.aspx?ID=53) 

 **     Fozia’s statement not reflective of PPP policy: Babar **

       Updated at 2340 PST Monday, February 14, 2011

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She may have been directed by Malkoo Nai to say this.

Perhaps he is too here without name.

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Confusion prevails as Presidency takes over Davis issue

   [By Ahmad Noorani](http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintWriterName.aspx?URL=By%20Ahmad%20Noorani)

ISLAMABAD: The Presidency on Saturday deputed a powerful federal minister to take the Foreign Office documents relating to the immunity of Raymond Davis in his control. According to sources, on Monday a top presidential aide gave the Presidency’s …

He can not win a seat in National or any provincial assembly even from Sialkot.

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all these haram-khors are drooling at getting a higher position hence giving '...... licking' statements.

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I don't know why Fouzia Wahab called a press conference to express her personal opinion... or PPP's spoke's person took liberty and said what she said, which according to president's spokesperson is not the govt policy nor it is party's policy....

2ndly the person who cannot even win an election is seems to be most favorite minister of the president of Pakistan..why???

I think it is time to admit that, Zardari has purposely selected bunch of morons around him... so that he can feel like RAJA between them

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yeah, pee pee pee jiyalaas have got one scape goat named “maana naai”… the method is simple, do anything, and see public’s reaction, if anything goes wrong, blame it on maana nai and get away with it, and maana nai is happy with all this because he has nothing to lose, and at least he gets some coverage this way, otherwise he’s not worth 1 second in power…

but why you all jiyalas fail to understand that its your beloved zardari who has appointed these losers, the bunch of criminals around him, abdul rehman malik, babar awan, fozia wahab, hussain haqqani, these are a few names… there is a long list… are you guys really that senseless that you blindly support such people? its simply amazing…

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You are quite true and we feel this but wanted to tell you again that Rahman Malik was not a PPP member till 8th Fab 2008.
It is not our fault and not the fault of PPP.
It is the result of murders of Bhuttos.
It is the result of rule and power of the Intermediate qualified group.
They wanted people not qualified or even better than them any way.
Like Puppets and tools. Qaht al rajal قحط الرجال
اب یہ بونوں کا ملک ہے , Ab yeh bonon ka mulk hay
No way. ہم نہ ہوں گے کوئی ہم سا ہو گا , Ham nah hogay koi ham sa hoga .
**Let us prey **
Prey for Pakistan, prey for all.

I knew nothing but Faiz ,
**aaiye haath uThaayeN ham bhi **

** aaiye haath uThaayeN ham bhi **

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                aaiye haath uThaayeN ham bhi

ham jinheN rasm-e-dua yaad naheeN
ham jinheN soz-e-mohabbat ke siva
koii but, koii Khuda yaad naheeN
aaiye arz guzaareN ke nigaar-e-hasti
zaihr-e-imroz meiN sheereeni-e-farda bhar de
voh jinheN taab-garaaN~baari-e-ayyaam naheeN
un ki palkoN pe shab-o-roz ko halka kar de
jin ki aaNkhoN ko rukh-e-subh ka yaara bhi naheeN
un ki raatoN meiN koii shamaa munavvar kar de
jin ke qadamoN ko kisi rah ka sahaara bhi naheeN
un kii nazaroN pe koii raah ujaagar kar de
jinakaa deeN pairavi-e-kazbo-riya hai un ko
himmat-e-kufr mile, jurrat-e-tehqeeq mile
jin ke sar muntazir-e-tegh-e-jafa haiN un ko
dast-e-qaatil ko jhaTak dene ki taufeeq mile
ishq ka sarr-e-nihaaNN jaan tapaaN hai jis se
aaj iqraar kareN aur tapish miT jaaye
harf-e-haq dil meiN khaTakta hai jo kaNTe kii tarah
aaj izahaar kareNn or khalish miT jaaye

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Anwer sahib, kis ko ullu bana rahay hayn? Rahman Malik may not have a 'proper membership' form filled out or a proper post assignment by the party but he has been favorite with Benazir since 90s and in 2007 he was her security chief.

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Sir jee,
Yahan Uloo banay ki to koi zaroorat hi naheen.
Is aadmi (Allah ki marzi keh is ko bhi aadmi ki shakl di) kay pas aik hi qabliat thi
Khushamad otherwise I have told many time that he is not a security man. No experience nor any training at any rank.
He is too responsible for assassination of Shaheed Benazir Bhutto for the same reason. Now he is a part of Establishment or a tool of them.

True.
The powerful minister has did his job.
America will be very happy with him.

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You are confirming yet once more that top PPP leadership have appointed khushamadi people for posts of which they never had any experience.

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khushamdi people can keep their jobs otherwise the others can go to hell (from america's perspective and I dont blame them for that), as far as Pakistan is concerned I know it is a tough decision for our incompetent government but the time has come when Pakistan needs to get out of this "war on terror", and try fixing our problems ourselves...the time will come sooner or later when the americans stop giving us baksheesh but by then it might already be too late for us...

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Watching Shah Mahmood Qureshi's press conference, he has pretty much coonfirmed that Davis should not get immunity and he has paid the price of sticking with truth. He has told the same thing to Kerry and hence called the press conference so EVERYONE in Pakistan knows what the reality is.

I always considered him the most honest politician in PPP and my respect for him has gone up.

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Anwer saheb, actually it looks quite funny... and i'm sorry to say but you guys look very helpless and unable to defend your own acts that why you support this gang of criminals and ghaddars...
and its very funny blame each and every thing which your party did wrong, on the army which you choose to call "intermediate qualified group"... we should all learn to accept our short comings rather than blame someone else for it... its like if person A stole something from B's house and when got caught started saying oh its B's fault because he made me jealous and i had no other way but to steal the thing