Imdad
Puttar, if Muslims needed to win over America, we'd send you as the goodwill Ambassador. You're the only one who actually thinks Muslims need to do this.
Just for the record, how did you do it and stay in line with the Patriot Act.
Well, I consider US and their backdoor ally (Britain) to be one. The other countries on their “list of 50 supporters” or so, can barely be found on the map.
I’m glad you can finally read :k:
I was against the war fearing this very outcome. Nothing was accomplished.
Asif k
Yes. I was against the UN authorising the war against Afghanistan.
The Taliban was just an excuse for America to vent it's anger at, after getting kicked in the balls whilst sleeping on the job and not seeing it coming.
It sure as hell wasn't the Taliban that flew the planes.
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Maybe if the US govt. stopped carpet bombing innocent civilians, we could have begun some form of dialogue long ago between Muslim Americans and nonMuslim Americans.
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C'mon Nadia. Isn't that just a little bit over the top? Even so, why couldn't this dialogue have occurred before "the carpet bombing of innocent civilians"?
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Yeah it's kind of hard to win over Americans when Muslim countries are being bombed in a successive shoot out (Afghanistan, Iraq, now Iran?). Maybe if the US govt. stopped carpet bombing innocent civilians, we could have begun some form of dialogue long ago between Muslim Americans and nonMuslim Americans.
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Maybe if so called Muslims stopped killing their own, killing others, stopped preaching hate against everyone and spoke out and condemned terrorist, the world would not be against Muslims so much?
It takes two to tango.
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Imdad
Puttar, if Muslims needed to win over America, we'd send you as the goodwill Ambassador. You're the only one who actually thinks Muslims need to do this.
Just for the record, how did you do it and stay in line with the Patriot Act.
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No, I'm not the only one. Thousands of muslims lining up to get american visa and living in America think like me. And I am not a terrorist and that is why I don't have to fear any patriot act. Btu if I go to Pakistan, I have to fear more for my life from terrorists who think Shias are kafir, police who think mohajirs are terrorists and so on.
Muslims should fix their own lands before pointing fingers at America. You know what they say about those who point at others.
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**C'mon Nadia. Isn't that just a little bit over the top? Even so, why couldn't this dialogue have occurred before "the carpet bombing of innocent civilians"?
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Yes maybe it is a little over the top.
Dialogue should have occurred a long time ago. Maybe both parties are to blame to different extents.
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Maybe if so called Muslims stopped killing their own, killing others, stopped preaching hate against everyone and spoke out and condemned terrorist, **the world would not be against Muslims so much?*
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The "world" or just the US?
Looks to me like the US administration has crushed much of the support it had garnered immediately subsequent to 11th September. The "world" seems to be opposed to many US plans; infact who besides the UK and Israel, really are on the US side? Which allies does the US have left with this 'war against terrorism'?
^ Estonia and Moldovia, Lichtenstein just opted out, their only soldier has the flu.
A superpower does not bow to the demands of others nor is out to win "popularity" contests.
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^ Estonia and Moldovia, Lichtenstein just opted out, their only soldier has the flu.
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What about Czechoslovakia and Lithuania? i heard they have some donkeys they were willing to contribute to the 'war on terrorism'.
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Saving the world from Nuclear threat (the immediate threat they're always talking about) should be done at any cost according to the Washington morons. The fact is that the US went into Iraq because they knew Iraq didn't have any weapons. Had Saddam been waving nuclear weapons in front of Bush's face like little Kim is doing, the US would still be trying to set up dialogues.
Now this immediate threat from little kim can apparently reach the US (Is that immediate enough for you?), and therefore the Washington cowards are peeing their pants.
Sorry galaxy boy, I'm comfortable with my knowledge of the world, and unlike you, my world doesn't end at my borders, like the terrorists that govern you program their public to believe.
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I already gave you the reason and m.o. to go after Kim. But if you insist on trying ot draw a parallel, let's do that as well. SO what happens if Kim decides to send a few missiles towards the US troops in N. Korea? Forget china and Japan, who you seem to have displaced from the geography, and whose economies directly depend on US investment and peace in the region, N. Korea would look like Lake Baikal in the winter.
Your world consists of a moose sanctuary and a brewery so learn to prostrate when citizens of a country that put food on your table are talking. Shabbash!!!!
AS far as US losing sympathy....WHOOOOO Caressssss!!!! WHen your share of the world's GDP is 60%, what citizens of our 51st state, Canada, say is of little significance. :)
AS far as US losing sympathy....WHOOOOO Caressssss!!!! WHen your share of the world's GDP is 60%
Ditto.
Don't hear anybody around here worrying about sympathy.
That's why I really don't like arguments like this.. no one gives a damn about sympathy or trust... it's the implications of not having them that matters: increased difficulty in diplomatic affairs, economic reverberations (even if minor), strengthening political opponents' rhetoric, etc...
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Your world consists of a moose sanctuary and a brewery so learn to prostrate when citizens of a country that put food on your table are talking. Shabbash!!!!
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You forgot igloos and polar bears Matty, to make it a typical American response, but you're close enough in yours. And this is coming from an educated American. Imagine what the other illiterate 70% of the US population think about the world up north. Oh well, at least you're one of the few Americans who know that Canada is to their north. (I would hope)
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AS far as US losing sympathy....WHOOOOO Caressssss!!!! WHen your share of the world's GDP is 60%, what citizens of our 51st state, Canada, say is of little significance. :)
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That's the problem. The US terrorists (and their British bed buddy) just don't care, and eventually pay the price, like they're doing in Iraq. All the while making it look like they're doing the world a favor. Smart people learn from their mistakes, and that makes the US pretty darn stupid.
^ If the Americans are stupid then how come they run the world? Doesn't say much for the geniuses all around the rest of the world , does it?
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^ If the Americans are stupid then how come they run the world? Doesn't say much for the geniuses all around the rest of the world , does it?
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^ Just goes to show that idiots get lucky at times also. If Americans are so smart, why is half the adult population in the US at the level 1 and level 2 literacy rate, which means they can barely write their own name on paper, let alone locate a country on a map. And these people are allowed to vote. It's no wonder you have the government you do.
If you run the world, why can't you find a man hiding in a cave laughing at you? Why can't you find those "oh so threatening" nuclear weapons in Iraq? Why are you begging for help in Iraq right now? Aren't you powerful enough to do it all on your own, like you say you are?
Enjoy your schoolyard bully power while it lasts matty. We all know what eventually happens to schoolyard bullies.
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Of course you wouldn't care. That's how the US likes to inform their general public. They like to brainwash them (yes brainwash) as sympathy seekers. It's a good thing that the world isn't buying it though. The day that the US gets kicked out of Iraq would be the happiest day for many people, including many Americans.
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I agree that it will be a happy day when the US is ejected from Iraq.
The trouble is..the days and weeks and years after will spawn the likes of that which happened in Afghanistan.
George Bush sure screwed us this time.
Matsui, its simple really. As a student of Standford or Yale or whatever you should know the theory of the rise and fall of empires. The US will have its day. One mans night is another mans dawn.
Ohioguy, once upon a time, the Americans were very glad that the world stood with them. What was the idiotic phrase, when the WTC buildings fell, it wasnt an attack on the US, it was an attack on the world. I guess that doesnt mean much anymore does it. Btw it was just an attack on the US.
Honestly the US does need sympathy. Esp. the American people. Why because they are the most ridiculed nation on the face of the planet. For all their superiority, they are one of the most arrogant and ignorant individuals out there. Plus the so called pillars of American greatness, are actually built upon foundations laid down by the rest of the world. Simple example was the noble prize discussion in general myself, matsui and NYA had.
All the Americans that have won a Nobel prize have been immigrants from a system where the education has been solid and demanding. Many other examples can be given. For example, the world wide web (just a fraction of the internet) was actually created at CERN a swiss research foundation. Not by Al Gore.
CM yaar, All empires might rise and fall. But to predict the doom of the US because it is going after terrorists and like is not true. Unlike the previous empires which were driven through land grab, Roman, Islamic whatever...this is purely driven by principles of free markets and trade. Where US would go down is not whether knuckleheads like N Korea or Iraq or Iran or Syria are going to precipitate it's fall. But whether America is not going to follow through on its mantra of open markets and free trade.
America might be ridiculed but this stems from the insecurity of other people. The insecurity that stems for haing supposedly superior ethics, culture, education systems but a lack of savvy to put it all together. That can also relate to your note about why a lot Nobel prize winners were born out of the States. But they are only successful when they come here, Why?
People like Fretty here who talk about the high standards of a counry like canada forget that without the US security and economic umbrella, Canada would be like Mexico. RIch in natural resources but average. Think of it this way. Even with no natural enemies, Canada still has a lower per capita GDP. It is the mark of the average to take such fortunate and inherent benefits and turn them into mediocrity.