US losing sympathy

The sympathy seeker terrorists have lost much support in the past 2 years. I don’t see the trend changing in the near future either.

In the two years since Sept. 11, 2001, the view of the United States as a victim of terrorism that deserved the world’s sympathy and support has given way to a widespread vision of America as an imperial power that has defied world opinion through unjustified and unilateral use of military force.

In interviews by Times correspondents from Africa to Europe to Southeast Asia, one point emerged clearly: The war in Iraq (news - web sites) has had a major impact on public opinion, which has moved generally from post-9/11 sympathy to post-Iraq antipathy, or at least to disappointment over what is seen as the sole superpower’s inclination to act pre-emptively, without either persuasive reasons or United Nations (news - web sites) approval.

No tea either I guess, now that people are smelling the coffee.

Interesting, I'm shocked it took two years though, quite a credibility lag.

Up the revolution.

Indeed after the post-9/11 fervor dying down, it’s quite obvious how the world feels about the US (the #1 fake sympathy seeker). This isn’t a news bulletin anymore. (Intelligent and non-gullible) people have known this ever since the US-Iraq war started up again. The US is truly the Big Bad Wolf in this picture, in every way.

What continues to shock me is that despite Bush knowing full well how he is viewed by the world at the moment, he continues to make ridiculous speeches to spur anti-Iraq fervor in the US, even as recently as this Tuesday. It’s sad also to see that our hard-earned tax dollars are filtering to pump up troops who continue to wage “war against Saddam” and to “reconstruct” Iraq whereas the reality of this mission is very clear: establish another puppet government to serve the US and create a monopoly on Iraqi oil.

When will this end! :smash:

US don't need any sympathy. Just send a few thou soldiers and some money. We even taken Pakistani rupees now, for a limited time.

I agree with my friend Tom on this one. Who needs sympathy? Sympathy is something that is directed toward people who have been victimized by tragedy. From my perspective, it is much better to put oneself in a position that avoids the occurence of another "tragedy" than to hope to obtain sympathies after it occurs.

Part of Old Europe's sympathy following 9/11 was undoubtedly mixed with a certain glee that the US was perceived as being as impotent to prevent such tragedies as they were. Even amongst our staunchest allies, there has always been a certain degree of satisfaction when the US was weakened. Not weakened so much that we wouldn't be able to defend and protect them against any and all enemies; But, a little weak so their own weaknesses wouldn't totally destroy their own egos and psyches.

The US response has now highlighted our own strengths and readiness/willingness to flex our muscles in ways that these countries can't. We no longer are viewed as sharing weaknesses for which they will happily share sympathy. And their own weakness compared to America is again brought squarely before their eyes. Thus, the sympathy level goes down.

US fails to win over Muslims, Frank Gardner, BBC, 12 September 2003

The words of President Bush, on the eve of the 9/11 anniversary, made winning the War on Terror central to his presidency. “By removing the tyrants who support terror, and by ending the hopelessness that feeds terror, we are helping the people of the Middle East, and we’re strengthening the security of America.”

But the Pentagon’s military victories have been undermined by continued attacks by terrorists, on both soldiers and civilians. Depressingly for the West, they elicit only limited sympathy in the Arab and Muslim world, where American policies are often seen as arrogant and imperialistic.

“I think that everything the American Administration has done in the Arab world since 9/11 has been tragic,” said Sheikh Hamza Yusuf Hanson, a US Muslim convert who has advised the White House on Islam.

“I think probably the most tragic element of this is that the moral capital the American had after 9/11 was extraordinary, unprecedented I think in the world, the sympathy that people had towards them and all of it has been squandered.”

Like many Muslims, Sheikh Hamza strongly opposed the US-led bombing of Baghdad and Kabul. He believes it has helped turn many people away from America and into the arms of extremists.

In Washington though, the State Department is all too aware of this - embarking on a global programme to reach out to Muslims and convince them that America does not wish them harm. But with US troops now more firmly planted in the Middle East than ever before, such initiatives are falling on deaf ears.

“They basically treat Muslims and they treat the Islamic world as someone to be manipulated and controlled and not really as a partner, someone to have a dialogue with,” explained Professor Marc Lynch at Williams College in Massachusetts.

“They’re not particularly interested in what Muslims actually say and what Muslims actually think and I think Muslims perceive that and understand that and have become angrier and angrier at not being taken seriously.”

For moderate Arabs, this is intensely frustrating.

Jamal Khashojji is the media adviser to the Saudi ambassador in London. As a former journalist, he can understand why Bin Laden appeals to so many.

"Osama Bin Laden is presented to some of the Arabs and the Muslims as a man who can deliver and represent the anger into an action and not in words.

“Of course it is our duty, of moderate Muslims and moderate Arabs to say to the Arab world that it is ok to be angry at a state for their siding for the Israelis but we must get this anger a civilised in the appropriate way.”

So where does this leave Britain?

In the eyes of many Arabs, Tony Blair’s support for President Bush’s War on Terror makes this country equally to blame for the sufferings of Muslims.

But Sir Derek Plumbley, Britain’s outgoing ambassador to Riyadh, says such criticism is not fair.

“In the efforts we have made both in the Balkans and then more recently in Afghanistan, in relation to Iraq, the attempt to give impetus to the peace process on Palestine,” explained Sir Derek.

“All of these have at their heart the interests of Muslim communities, people in the Islamic world, and they are shared interests with Arab countries, interests on which we consult very closely with the governments of those countries.”

But somebody else is appealing to the hearts of Muslims and this week his familiar voice was heard again.

Osama Bin Laden is apparently back, appearing on video for the first time in nearly two years.

The tape aired by Qatar’s al-Jazeera television came with a message from al-Qaeda’s leadership: Americans should prepare themselves for punishment - the battle has only just begun.

Frankly..who the hell cares. What have the muslims done to win the favor of the US. that's what I would like to know.

Exactly my thoughts, I mean everyday I see stories about how US is discriminating against Muslims and Arabs, how it has failed them etc..but if you see muslims and arabs are still lining up to come here.

Who the hell cares man..Have muslims and arabs tried to win america ? Why should america even try to win an arab world that worships OBL and thinks 9/11 was a jew conspiracy ?

You can think what you want. Your views reflect a microscopic fraction of the popular views expressed among Muslims as well as most guppies. You don’t make any sense…yet again!

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Exactly my thoughts, I mean everyday I see stories about how US is discriminating against Muslims and Arabs, how it has failed them etc..but if you see muslims and arabs are still lining up to come here.

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..and everyday we keep hearing from the US administration that Saudi Arabia is a haven for terrorists, and that the Saudi government hasn't done anything, or enough to fight it. However, the US still imports their oil and supports that dictatorship. Yep, "US supports democracy". You want to talk hypocrisy?

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Why should america even try to win an arab world that worships OBL and thinks 9/11 was a jew conspiracy ?
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Simple. Oil.

I couldn't care less. The Day US Kicks all the OBL sympathisers out of America will be the Happiest day for me since 911.

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I couldn't care less. The Day US Kicks all the OBL sympathisers out of America will be the Happiest day for me since 911.
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Of course you wouldn't care. That's how the US likes to inform their general public. They like to brainwash them (yes brainwash) as sympathy seekers. It's a good thing that the world isn't buying it though. The day that the US gets kicked out of Iraq would be the happiest day for many people, including many Americans.

Fretty boy - America has a right to look after its own interest like every country in the world.

As far as the 'Oil' of Arabia goes, Why are they selling it to USA. They should unite and stop selling their 'Oil' to USA which discriminates against them and fails them again and again.

Go ahead and Kick US out of Iraq and make us and yourself Happy. What are the mighty arabs and mighty french and canadians doing ?

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They should unite and stop selling their 'Oil' to USA
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Smartest thing you've said so far.

Still upset I see :hehe: Boy you take the internet real seriously. Anyway. fortunately, the French and the Canadians aren’t stupid and refused to get into the Iraq conflict without the ok from the UN. Fotunately also, the Americans are suffering from their stupidity in Iraq right now.

Now that you know it, run and suggest it to rulers of Arabia. Enough of their whinning, It's time for them to act and kick USA out of Iraq.

Ask Saudi, Qatar and others in Arabia to Kick USA soldiers outta their land.

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Canadians aren't stupid and refused to get into the Iraq conflict without the ok from the UN.

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But they were stupid enough to get into Afghanistan (under the UN Resolution of course) and fight America's war on Terror. news from the grapevine is that couple of hours ago Afghans launched rockets on a canadian camp and luckily for them no casualties reported. Very smart.

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Ask Saudi, Qatar and others in Arabia to Kick USA soldiers outta their land.
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Wish it was that easy. These Arabs seem to be like you, full of talk but no backbone.

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But they were stupid enough to get into Afghanistan (under the UN Resolution of course) and fight America's war on Terror. news from the grapevine is that couple of hours ago Afghans launched rockets on a canadian camp and luckily for them no casualties reported. Very smart.
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You said it yourself, key words being "Under the UN", which makes it a smart move for Canadians. That's how smart nations work.

You're witnessing the result of what's happening right now in Iraq when a country unilaterally attacks another sovereign country without the support of the UN. The result is, that country ends up begging the UN and other countries for help.

As for rockets being launched at Canadian camps. What's your point. Do you know the meaning of "WAR"? What did you expect?

You are talking as if you are taking lot of actions :hehe: . I think they are hypocrites like you, first they beg America to help them, then they offer their soil to America, then they sell their oil to them and now they are whinning.

When it comes to Canadian soldiers being killed and attacked in Afghanistan, you start to explain the meaning of WAR, but when it comes to US soldiers being killed in Iraq, you start showing me the result. The fact is result is no different in Afghanistan and Iraq, with or without UN.

PS :- I am no supported of War on IRAQ. US is paying for its folly and I feel sad for our soldiers.