Re: Urdu (Language)
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whats common between a sikh man and a muslim man the links that you have pasted.IS it the beard the hindu is sporting a beard too.Just by having a beard a sikh is close to muslim wah wah.
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Sorry I am not feeling well today so my typing maybe “off” a little. Anyway, if you look once more at those pictures my brother you will realizes the Hindu man is half naked, and you don’t seem to see a problem with that. Seriously, how far would a half naked man get in Punjab area? He would be shot on sight. See this is the point I am trying to make, while you Karachites have come susceptible to porn or what ever you want to call it, we Punjabis have not. Although, I am not going to deny sometimes people do like some prostitutes on the side. So your assumption is wrong my brother, you should try to look more carefully.
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You have said it before that you havent been too pakistan many times.whenever you visit Pakistan do visit karachi as well you will find it the most developed part of pakistan and it is not a biast comment the facts and figures confirm this.
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Yes, maybe this perhaps is true. Although your claim is inconsequential, look at me I am a Punjabi and I am well educated Karachites are sly they do not give an opportunity to Punjabis. Anyway you Karachites have not history. You don’t even know who you’re come on tell me what are you? You have no history my brother but us Punjabis have a history, and we want to keep our cultural heritage alive unlike you guys. Its doesn’t matter to you lot, because you have no history, but it matters to us because we have history, and you should try to respect that. What do you want Punjabis to turn into girls my losing their cultural heritage of being warrior tribes? Please don’t get me mad, I feel like breaking my PC screen when you don’t give Punjabis some respect. We love you because you’re our brothers but brothers do not always get along. And you should always listen to the bigger and stronger brother (Punjabis) or we will kick your asses.
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karachi generates 65% of pakistan.karachi is the business hub there are good universities in lahore no doubt about it but karachi is the most literate city.
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I don’t know about this, maybe you can show me some links proving this. I don’t know much about Pakistan; last time I was there I had 100s of village girls after me and writing me love letters. And they sure as hell knew English, actually their English was better then mine I was somewhat surprised. And I am talking about Punjabi village girls. Not educated girls from the inner cities. Punjabi families put loads of emphasis on education. Punjabis are not hot headed boothus which you’re trying to make out.
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I dont need to reply on the racist remarks you made against bihari muslims and people from Karachi
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Don’t like I didn’t make any racist remarks. I don’t even know what bbiharis are, the name sounds like something you’d call homosexuals. Now that is funny…
Lol I am only playing with you my brother don’t take it personally, but you’re funny though.
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The two extremes meet they find something in common LAND OF THE DINOSAURS is pakhtunistan and the other for punjabiyat
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I don’t know what you’re talking about here. Lol
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Culture is not confined to movies only...appreciating artistic content of another culture doesn't mean the culture has become all-pervading...a lot of people watch English movies and listen to Arabic and Dari songs but that is only voluntary...Further, culture is not limited to songs and movies only...it is an all encompassing phenomenon with many dimensions like language, values, norms, traditions, social organization, folklore, litrature...in fact everything about a culturally cohesive group...
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I agree with you somewhat, although movies and stuff like that is part of culture but movies are not the whole of culture. And watching a foreign movie doesn’t make you lose your cultural Identities, its just they make damn good movies, and that should inspire us to make damn good movies. Like last time I said our women are going to India and becoming **ya they are talking it from Hindu men. We should not allow these women back into our country it’s a *ing disgrace. And this should give us more reason to expand our own culture Karachites have no culture so lets get at Punjabis we do lets expand that and have their nice sexy hindu women coming to Pakistan to make movies (Aishuriya Rai) you get me. We have nice scenery too in Pakistan. This is no argument that Hindu women are so hot, it’s true. So we should be bringing them into our cities so we can admire their sexyness.
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Its mohammed ali jinnah and not ali jannina
yeah and making a greater punjab and khalistan surely wont help.
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Yeah Ali what ever. Do you even know this guy was a Ishmali? He was not a Sunni Muslim probably a Shia, married to a Gori that is a smack in the face of Pakistani women. A *ing guy talking about Pakistan married to a gori. Doesn’t make any sense. Like that *ing asshole Imran Khan this mother****er should be killed already. This topic is close to my hear and yes I am getting a little emotional. But seriously, you should smack a guy in the face who says Ali Jinna wanted to make Pakistan into an Islamic state, that is not only disrespect to you, but also disrespect to Islam, and you should smack him in the face, for talking hypocrisy.
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Really?? who is stopping you from speaking your own language? If you can't speak a word of Urdu then how would you communicate to any punjabi, Sindhi or balochi? Why must you discourage and kill Urdu in order to promote your own language.
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I know my sister you’re not talking to me, but I think you have missed the point sis. We say we should promote Punjabi language rather then Urdu. I don’t have a problem with girls speaking Urdu I think its cute, but guys speaking Urdu really sounds gay its like this guy is looking for something to stick in his ass. Do you really want your men to talk like girls? Punjabis is much better then Urdu, the thing I don’t get is, you guys have no culture what gives you lot a right to say what language should be the national language? I know sis, you will try to look for hate and hypocrisy in my words, but this is not the case, I am doing this out of love of my people not out of hate of others. Seriously, you non Punjabi women should be fighting for Punjabi rights and try to talk some sense into your men. All we say is don’t promote Hindu culture, and Urdu is very similar to Hindi in neutral sources and dictionaries it’s called, Hindustani. In history do you want to be remembered as a Hindu speaking *****? Or a modest Muslim women, or even a Punjabi women?
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I have studied for 2 years in a government school in Karachi. why?
Becuz my parents wanted me to learn and adopt the culture, and not get hung up on English and urdu only, Like nowadays we see how many parents put their children into british and american schools and feel proud of it that is all BS
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That is all good sis, you should also learn about Punjabi men an culture, then you will understand why Punjabis are so passionate about this topic. I don’t hate you; I’d put my life up for yours, but like not caring about our cultural heritage gets us mad. And you women hide behind women. Punjabi men like to talk straight and to the face of the person, we will not go behind your back and talk about you, we will say what we feel straight up. Please try to learn about Muslim Punjabi men and please also try to marry one. And I agree with you all this English is bs. We have out own language and culture we should not be dependent on other cultures. The Arabs failed, they had most of the known world conquered and yet they still couldn’t get everyone to speak Arabic and you know why? Because European states hated this now Islamic culture, they did not give into it, and look at them now they rule the world, and we should do the same we should resist Hindu culture.
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Mind you, if my parents wanted they could have let me go to any English school and learn NOTHING about pakistan. If you do not know about this
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I don’t know about that, but I prefer Pakistani girls from Pakistan. Rather then ungrateful and unrespectful British Pakistani girls. Although I can see what you’re trying to say but I would like to mention I am a British born Pakistani man, I have only been to Pakistan a few times. But I know about Pakistan, I want to see it to be a prosperous nation. But many pepole don’t care about it, they see all the bad (the *ty standards of living backward inverted culture ect.) and they don’t want anything to do with it, many British Pakistanis call themselves Indians then Pakistanis because our country is in a * state. Although it is doing well under Musharaf rule. And my point here is, that a person himself has to be interested in his original homeland. You can’t really teach anyone it. And I’ll be damned if I marry a rich British Pakistani girl, I would rather marry a poor Pakistani girl from Pakistan.
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Urdu is and should always stay a universal language of Pakistan becuz it is a way of communication between all Pakistanis today
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When you say things like that I think to myself if really you want to be a Hindu then a Pakistani. We can teach Punjabi in schools, we could make it compulsory in 10 years time everyone will speak Punjabi, and just to keep the Urdu speakers happy we could make Urdu for the posh and privileged. In other words for the rich. And I belive that can work look at English in England. The Queen speaks differently to the majority of the population, and every county has its own distinct dialect. And still everyone understands each other; the same thing could be done with Punjabi and Urdu. But the problem with Urdu is, its predominantly Hindu dialect borrows heavily from Hindu culture. And we should not promote anything that is remotely Hindu, this just makes us look like we don’t have any culture. You can play this game, ask an Arabic person what he thinks of Pakistanis and Indians, he will majority of the time say: “well Pakistanis are Muslims and Indian are Hindus” which maybe true to some extent, however we will not try to make a bigger distinction that that. Which basically means we have no culture as Pakistanis, we are called Muslims which is true, but Arabs are also Muslims but they are called Arabs most of the time, because they have an Arab culture. See what I mean.
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1- Karachi and its people fed from start and still feed whole country by giving up to 70 % revenue which the country spends on food and defence etc.
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Yes that has been mentioned before. And if someone gives me some links I’d look into it myself. Because that claim seems interesting.
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So called agriculture state has never been able to feed its own people with agriculture products. We had this discussion in at least one previous thread.
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This is not true look at India Punjab, its pronominally agriculrial based, and its doing very well. And would be able to self sustain itself in the medium to short term future. Although I do realizes that, we have to change with the times and we need to build better infrastructure in Pakistan, because in the world scene, Pakistan is lagging in this department. We need to urbanise our cities, even if that means we need to decrease the defence budget. Or our nations will not be economically viable and it will not be bale to self sustain itself. But Pakistanis don’t seem to like hard truths, they don’t want to believe that Pakistan is a subpar nations compared to its counter parts. The only thing to be proud of our nation is the army, and what does that say about us?
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Same Karachiites (Muhaajirs)ran the country with their education, intellect and wealth to keep the country afloat during initial time (and still are )when many locals were confused of what to do or we had lost first battle in 1948. Machoism did not give country anything then.
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Don’t talk about past things, its 2006 not 1948 it living in the past or hanging posters of dead people like (ali Jinnah) doesn’t help anyone, it makes us look silly, and as if we are stuck on a time warp. We need to think about the future. If I had the means I would run for president in Pakistan. I think we need a good strong leader, who can see the reality and has his feet firmly planted on the ground.
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What could be more dumb than this?
Its people like you who are hell bend on disrespecting great Karachiites
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I do not hate on Krachites, I don’t like a few things about them like wanting to speak Urdu and being pansies. They have an inferiority complex toward Hindus and that is a real issue. Even a good psychologist would agree with me.
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2- Admittedly punjaabis are good fighter in Pak Army but in few Pak history majority Punjabi army lost fight in East Pakistan (Sadly). You mentioned tanks which only happened in 1965 when Lahore was attacked. When attacked close to home army really faught with heart.
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See you mention East Pakistan? Why did the war start in the first place? Because the government didn’t care about East Pakistanis, it was taking the money made from Jute and spending it on West Pakistan. People are not stupid; the government like its doing now with Punjabis never respected them. The government loves Punjabis for one thing and that is for being expandable troops, Punjabis have done so much for Pakistan, and yet we have to beg at people like you who are trying to wipe out our cultural heritage. Carry on with this path and you’ll lose Punjab, it will separate from Pakistan. And then we will laugh as we watch them Hindus you love so much ripp you apart, and take your women and pimp them. Hindus fear Punjabi Muslims, they never want to face Punjabis in war, they always send Sikh regiments to fight with Punjabi dominated divisions. It’s the Punjabis who are the foot soldiers of Pakistan most non Punjabis are artillery units or pilots both are **** positions reserved for those who don’t really want to fight. Although I must give credit to our po9loits they are heroes. But dropping a bomb from high altitude is not like being in the front lines fighting when you’re wet, hungry and tired, and the enemies are upon you.
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Some Punjaabi even did not feel ashamed of fighting againt muslims in Brit Army or when they faught against weaker Palestinians in order to save Hussain's kingdom and earning medals. 3- What could be considered a bigger 'f@Rt ' then
trying punjaabi or arabic the national language?
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See you’re living in the past, Punjabis are loyal, and many joined the British army because India was part of the commonwealth and they could feed their families, if they did not many would not have had jobs or even an opportunity to live in a more prosperous part if the world like in England. And Palestinians? I don’t know anything about that. Many Punjabis joined Hitler’s army like I said before, there were reasons why they joined it, not out of love for Brits, but they had to feed their families.
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Did you read about Ranjit Singh dear.......he did abuse punjaabis-muslms. Your personal family was not touched by him so it means all other punjaabis had a great time too?
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Again you’re talking about the past, and also I would like to mention the Muslims did the same when they were ruling, like Binqasim, Mohammed Ghori, ect, ect. Its was the “norm” then. And it was usually some guy sitting in a mansion making the orders, and the troops who had joined because of job oprtinutes and for good pay had no choice but to act on those orders. And we should not forget about these things we should remember them, but we should also learn to move on and not to be stuck in the past.
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You acted like goodie goodie with sikhs who had chaye (tea) at your house..so what did it make you then, when other punjaabis had brutal treatment from Ranjit? Doesn't that prove you were not 'man' enough to protect women from rape and murder?
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I don’t know about that, but then information was not available easily. Its was based on hearsay I mean we are talking about a time when there was no post offices and you got letters after months there was no internet or newspapers (?) or telephones. Many people didn’t know what was going on.
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What kind of bravery are you talking about when you kicked someone from R-Pindi out? A majority muslim place
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How was it majority Muslims? When the ruling were non Muslims and also areas like Gujer Khan, Kallar Siyda, Bawal, Sui Cheema were full of Sikhs? My grandfather was a Jatt Cheema by the way. And most of the Sikhs are Jatt. And at that time it was not majority Muslims, Muslims were very weak, the Sikhs had good weapons are garrisons, and horses and stuff. The Punjabis had nothing but there life, they walked into hail of arrows and tuck Sikh strongholds. Can you image that? 1000s of arrows and you running into them? Not caring about your life? And they didn’t have to do this, they could have just let the Sikhs rule them, but they fought instead and taught a very good lesson to Sikhs. Look at Sikhs now they are slaves, slaves in their own lands slaves to the Hindus, and this is all because they messed with the wrong people and that was Jatt Punjabi Muslims. I bet they don’t teach that history in Punjabis schools in India. Our forefathers tuck their land and women that is a major ownage. But we should move on from stuff like this it was not cool and it was really very stupid, and was all the workings of MI5 agents. We only ****ed ourselves up. And we should be ashamed of this history of ours where we were fighting like god with out own people really the only difference was religion.
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6-If it was not Urdu, Pakistan would have been divided long time ago.
Smart move from the Quaid who knew the country people more than you can imagine.
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Yes what ever. It would have not been divided if everyone spoke Punjabi, and you talk about unity when a guy like Ali Jinnah did not even marry a Pakistani women? He married a British woman. But again this is the past, we need to move on.
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Power of Urdu is in its acceptance of ALL words and languages and thats why its called urdu= Lashkar. Its a bond among people from different areas and of different languages.
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What does that have anything to do with anything? We want to promote our own distinct culture. Just because everyone speaks it doesn’t make it good. Majority of people in the Subcontinent are Hindus, what does that mean ? jack all. All Muslims are not going to convert to Hinduism are they? Also, if we did teach Punjabi in our schools eventually everyone would be speaking it, and that would create a strong bond, because they also have a vibrant Punjabi culture to go with it. And am not talking about Idiots who act like wankers (some pepole from Sialkot) who don’t have no respect for anyone. We could have a strong Punjabi culture based on Islamic principles it would be the best thing ever. Punjabis would have respect for others and appropriate behaviour of talking to others and showing respect, becouse I do agree with you some Punjabis go over the top and act like kafirs then Muslims, like showing no respect or listing to loud music and women dancing. Lol, I can tell you something, I was in Silkot for a wedding the last time I was in Pakistan. And the girl was really nice, but she acted very childish, and her mother was nice I liked her she had respect and stuff but her father and her brothers were idiots. And then the funniest thing happened, you know like they do dancing on the wedding, and I was sleep and the girls mother wakes me up and says to me check the girls out dancing, and I thought yeah I’ll follow her and she was making me look at her daughter dancing and other girls. Which I found weird and disturbing.
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You mentioned similarity of Sikhs and muslims (hillarious analogy). By your silly analogy, Lenin, Abraham Lincoln and people like them must be pious muslims!
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Don’t know what you found funny about that analogy but I was making a point that Sikhs have self respect and practice modesty, which are both fundamental parts of Islamic culture. And have been around a lot longer then Sikhism. And those American guys might have been pious Christians. Although I still can’t make out how you can make that correlation to this topic.
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You need to stop showing your anti-Pakistani mentality. Had no idea people are brought up to be like you coming from Pakisani family.
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Who the hell are you to tell me not to voice my opinions? I don’t eat from your house that you can tell me what to do. And I don’t have a Anti Pakistani mentality if I did I would be calling myself Indian and living in India Punjab. Just because I don’t want to see my cultural heritage being wiped out doesn’t make me anti Pakistani. We should all be able to debate and talk about issues, without the fear of being called unpatriotic. Like I told you I haven’t spent much time in Pakistan, I live in England. So am more so raised as a British Muslims Pakistani then an Pakistani born Muslim Pakistani, if that makes any sense to you. Could I marry your sister? If I was a Punjabi living in Pakistan? I don’t think so, you would try everything to stop it, why because you don’t like Punjabis for some reason.
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You are living in dream world thinking that Urdu Hindi is same. You must have heard "Urdu" on indian channels but not Hindi. It is completely different language.
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That maybe true, but going by the natural definition then its Urdu is Hindustani look it up in any dictionary. And these people practice ethnology they don’t just randomly add anything into the dictionary without doing proper research before hand. So Urdu is Hindustani.
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Most of Afghanis I know by far LOVE hindi and are all crazy about indian movies. Yea Good luck with enforcing everyone to adopt a culture and language of arabs and persia which nobody in Pakistan have ever known. 99% of the population in Pakistan is and will be much more comfortable with Indian culture not arab!
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Don’t you mean Hindu culture? This is the point I am trying to make, it seems like I’ve been trying an no ones been reading. My posts are really not that long. Anyway, wouldn’t it be better to have a Punjabi culture then a Hindu culture. Why are you so opposed to Punjabi culture, why do you prefer Hindu culture over Punjabi culture I mean damn I like Hindu women, and movies but that doesn’t mean I should go out and proliferate Hindu culture, just because I like a few aspects of Hindu culture.
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Thats what make us Pakistanis unique today becuz we are all muslims but we have not lost our identity which is SOUTH ASIANS. We are not arabs.
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And we are not Hindus, majority of Pakistanis are Jatt, and there cultural heratige goes back to the era of Binqasim, and Turkish (ottoman) rule, Sultana Razia, ect, ect. We should not be engulfed into Hindu culture out forgathers fought for our freedom and our culture, and our land. They would be going crazy in their graves listening to Pakistanis “saying yeah we should all promote Hindu culture because we have an inferiority complex.” There is nothing wrong with Punjabi culture its better then Hindu culture.